Lubawski wrote:Cheme, I know it would be more work, but I liked the suggestion that everyone plays a certain amount of rounds. I think single elimination is still ideal for the winner because, as you said, it shows clan depth. However, I think it would suck to lose in the first or second round and then have either 12 or 8 of the people who were geared up for this thing not be able to participate.
i.e. Winners bracket continues up to championship. From the 8 who won the first round, the four to lose in the second round play each other. The two losers of that face off for 7th/8th place. The two winners face off for 5th/6th place. They have had 16 people contribute. Those in the semis who win face each other for 1st/2nd. Those in the semis who lose face each other for 3rd/4th place. They each have had 16 players contribute.
When a clan loses, they then play for their place. ie. the first 8 teams to lose are squared off. The four losers of those then face each other (followed by the two second time losers and two winners). You now have your 13-16th place teams) and each of those teams has had 16 players contribute during the tournament. Of the four teams who lost their first round, but won their second match-up, the two who lose play for 11th/12th place, and the two who won play for 9/10th. Those have also had 16 players contribute.
I'm sure this is a lot more work on your end hosting this, but at least it gives a true showing of all 16 teams depth allowing all teams to have 16 different players contribute.
Sure. You and Bones both suggested this so we can do it. Oh, and btw, "a lot more work" is an understatement! Now let's get this thing filled.
Cheme if you need any help if you make this thing bigger next time hit me up.
Lubawski wrote:Cheme, I know it would be more work, but I liked the suggestion that everyone plays a certain amount of rounds. I think single elimination is still ideal for the winner because, as you said, it shows clan depth. However, I think it would suck to lose in the first or second round and then have either 12 or 8 of the people who were geared up for this thing not be able to participate.
i.e. Winners bracket continues up to championship. From the 8 who won the first round, the four to lose in the second round play each other. The two losers of that face off for 7th/8th place. The two winners face off for 5th/6th place. They have had 16 people contribute. Those in the semis who win face each other for 1st/2nd. Those in the semis who lose face each other for 3rd/4th place. They each have had 16 players contribute.
When a clan loses, they then play for their place. ie. the first 8 teams to lose are squared off. The four losers of those then face each other (followed by the two second time losers and two winners). You now have your 13-16th place teams) and each of those teams has had 16 players contribute during the tournament. Of the four teams who lost their first round, but won their second match-up, the two who lose play for 11th/12th place, and the two who won play for 9/10th. Those have also had 16 players contribute.
I'm sure this is a lot more work on your end hosting this, but at least it gives a true showing of all 16 teams depth allowing all teams to have 16 different players contribute.
Sure. You and Bones both suggested this so we can do it. Oh, and btw, "a lot more work" is an understatement! Now let's get this thing filled.
Mmmm.... Now you'll have to remove "suicide" from the title. Also, implementing this, takes away from the originality of your idea.... Yes, you guessed right, I don't like it. It was so nice and simple....
Lindax wrote: Mmmm.... Now you'll have to remove "suicide" from the title. Also, implementing this, takes away from the originality of your idea.... Yes, you guessed right, I don't like it. It was so nice and simple....
Lx
No, it is still a suicide tournament. Even though all clans will play in 4 rounds, they will not be able to use a player more than once. The main bracket (the primary concept) will remain unaffected (this is not a double elimination tournament). I just originally didn't think anyone would want to play for 15th place....apparently I was wrong
chemefreak wrote:Sure. You and Bones both suggested this so we can do it. Oh, and btw, "a lot more work" is an understatement! Now let's get this thing filled.
I think that should be the litmus test from here on out. If Bones and I agree, something must be a good idea.
chemefreak wrote:Sure. You and Bones both suggested this so we can do it. Oh, and btw, "a lot more work" is an understatement! Now let's get this thing filled.
I think that should be the litmus test from here on out. If Bones and I agree, something must be a good idea.
I like it. Count the Regiment in. Now, do I understand correctly that I select what four players we can use per round? Do you need the list beforehand, or just as the tourney progresses?
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General Brock II wrote:I like it. Count the Regiment in. Now, do I understand correctly that I select what four players we can use per round? Do you need the list beforehand, or just as the tourney progresses?
As the tourney progresses. I will request your 4 when I need them. Thanks.
Lindax wrote: Mmmm.... Now you'll have to remove "suicide" from the title. Also, implementing this, takes away from the originality of your idea.... Yes, you guessed right, I don't like it. It was so nice and simple....
Lx
No, it is still a suicide tournament. Even though all clans will play in 4 rounds, they will not be able to use a player more than once. The main bracket (the primary concept) will remain unaffected (this is not a double elimination tournament). I just originally didn't think anyone would want to play for 15th place....apparently I was wrong
I don't wanna play for 15th place. If you want a complete ranking you need to play a round robin IMHO.
Lubawski wrote: I think that should be the litmus test from here on out. If Bones and I agree, something must be a good idea.
Lx
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Okay. AoC is in. Nemesis is #17 so they are not at this point. However, I have pm'd a few clans to make sure they are prepared for this commitment. Once they are/are not confirmed we can get this thing going.
On behalf of Mythology, good luck to all the clans in this one, Chem, thanks for putting this on, should be lots of fun, a true test of depth in a clan, i like it.
Lindax wrote: Mmmm.... Now you'll have to remove "suicide" from the title. Also, implementing this, takes away from the originality of your idea.... Yes, you guessed right, I don't like it. It was so nice and simple....
Lx
No, it is still a suicide tournament. Even though all clans will play in 4 rounds, they will not be able to use a player more than once. The main bracket (the primary concept) will remain unaffected (this is not a double elimination tournament). I just originally didn't think anyone would want to play for 15th place....apparently I was wrong
I don't wanna play for 15th place. If you want a complete ranking you need to play a round robin IMHO.
Lubawski wrote: I think that should be the litmus test from here on out. If Bones and I agree, something must be a good idea.
Lx
I agree with Lindax. We don't want to play for 15th place either. I liked the original concept better. Why play if you can't win anymore? It feels like playing those last games to finish an already decided clanwar. No fun IMO.
if you don't want to play, then tell Cheme you want to forfeit future matches once you lose. No one is forcing you to keep going. And those of us who find enjoyment in actually playing games in a competition even when it doesn't mean a shiny medal can keep playing.
I think that should be the litmus test from here on out. If Bones and I agree, something must be a good idea.
