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[DoomYoshi]

I don't always point out inactives, but when I do, I prefer got tonkaed.

vote gt

Also, I see new guy poking around. I hope he has something to share.

[new guy1]

well i get on to read it, but i was late a day or so (dont really know) so by the time i replaced someone it was to page 30, so i read it all but i have to keep going back in order to actually remember all the facts. im mainly just reading what other people write today so that i can make a general thesis.

[spiesr]

There was an influential voter and a double voter. So to organize again what has already been said, wouldn't adding a voteless scum make the game much harder to balance favorably for scum? It's much more detrimental to scum than it could ever be to town.

Well, there is one circumstance in which I could see it being used. A mod could make s scum member voteless in a game that a large scum group. They could try to use it to compensate for the mafia extra numbers by making sure that they would still have to get the townies down low in order to win. This doesn't seem that likely, but I supposed it could in theory happen.

Perhaps you can explain why dazza is a good target for silencing but not for voting?

Because sometimes you are suspicious of a person but don't have a case to get them lynched? I mean, what else are you gonna do, kick them into a bottomless pit?

I don't always have sex, but when I do I make sure they're underage.

This raises some bizarre quandaries. Can Pedobear target a non-child meme without falling into some sort of paradox? Although, I suppose that there aren't really any memes in this game that are over 18 or so years old anyway...

[Mr. Squirrel]

I find the case on strike wolf silly, tbh. And the idea that we should drop the 'dead weight' is also ridiculous. By dropping even a voteless townie, you are making the scum faction more influential in the politics of the town.
As far as rodion goes, I say we keep him alive for now. I agree that making pedobear a scummy would be a pretty terrible choice on the mods' part, but then that is also a pseudo-WIFOM argument. I would agree to an investigation being used on him, but definitely not a lynch.

Jonty, you make some decent points. I do find the "we should keep strike alive because he'll find scum for us" argument objectionable though. I'm not sure if I've played with strike before and he may well be a good scum hunter but when you use that as a reason not to lynch him it makes you look lazy, and makes it too easy for him to win as scum.

How is he being lazy? Its true that killing off a townie is essentially killing off one more scum hunter. Why is it "lazy" that he says this? He is not saying that he will not also be looking for scum, only that the town should not kill off a townie just because his role isn't very good. In a C9 game, do you lynch off VTs just because they have no powers? Of course not. VTs and other terrible roles can aid town just as much as a cop can.

[edocsil]

The strike case is dumb. Dumb enough that I am a bit embarrassed to see it. Voteless Townie is the role. Who here has played with a Voteless Scumie? Way more important things to go on here.


Pedobear for instance. He cannot be town. I cannot recall what he claimed orientation wise. I haven't got my excel charts out yet and never do till a few days in. I get killed too often early on to care to do it every time.

Anyhow, I think Pedobear is a form of cult recruiter. Flavor mostly fits, and it is often very easy to hide in plain sight. I really hope someone had the good sense to track him last night so we can establish the validity of his claim.

[safariguy5]

The strike case is dumb. Dumb enough that I am a bit embarrassed to see it. Voteless Townie is the role. Who here has played with a Voteless Scumie? Way more important things to go on here.


Pedobear for instance. He cannot be town. I cannot recall what he claimed orientation wise. I haven't got my excel charts out yet and never do till a few days in. I get killed too often early on to care to do it every time.

Anyhow, I think Pedobear is a form of cult recruiter. Flavor mostly fits, and it is often very easy to hide in plain sight. I really hope someone had the good sense to track him last night so we can establish the validity of his claim.

I find the case on strike wolf silly, tbh. And the idea that we should drop the 'dead weight' is also ridiculous. By dropping even a voteless townie, you are making the scum faction more influential in the politics of the town.
As far as rodion goes, I say we keep him alive for now. I agree that making pedobear a scummy would be a pretty terrible choice on the mods' part, but then that is also a pseudo-WIFOM argument. I would agree to an investigation being used on him, but definitely not a lynch.

Jonty, you make some decent points. I do find the "we should keep strike alive because he'll find scum for us" argument objectionable though. I'm not sure if I've played with strike before and he may well be a good scum hunter but when you use that as a reason not to lynch him it makes you look lazy, and makes it too easy for him to win as scum.

How is he being lazy? Its true that killing off a townie is essentially killing off one more scum hunter. Why is it "lazy" that he says this? He is not saying that he will not also be looking for scum, only that the town should not kill off a townie just because his role isn't very good. In a C9 game, do you lynch off VTs just because they have no powers? Of course not. VTs and other terrible roles can aid town just as much as a cop can.

Alright, I feel somewhat comfortable with a claim right now given the apparent impasse we have.

First of all, icedagger's case is kind of ridiculous on strike. Saying that the role is bollocks is complete wifom, and given the dead voting roles and the general size of the game, not completely out of the ordinary.

So I am Success Kid, Town JOAT. The regular JOAT skills obviously, protect, kill and investigate, but I can also choose to roleblock instead.

So last night I investigated Rodion and came up with guilty. And before you go around saying I'm paranoid, might I add that I am flavor confirmed in the Day 1 scene as the discoverer of the conspiracy. So yes, I'm confident Rodion is anti town of some sort.

The reasoning for why I would investigate Rodion is partly because he admitted being pedobear, and partly because I know how much he loves to argue innocence when he's mafia. In fact, right now, he's WIFOMing his PR into a shield against him being mafia because it's "too obvious". That's basically his defense and I guarantee he'll stick to it come hell or high water.

unvote vote Rodion

[sheepofdumb]

I was thinking pedobear would be scum. Then again, there's a good chance he's miller too. After all he is Pedobear and his actions are... well immoral to say the least.

[jonty125]

Why are there OVER 9000! new pages overnight! Please post when I'm awake.

A guilty cop claim, I'm going to unvote vote Rodion because if he flips town then we can pressure saf tomorrow, if he flips scum - well we can return to the case on icedagger. Now I'm just throwing out an idea here and I have no idea on what meme would be typical for this role but could Pedobear be a cult recruiter. i.e he molests you and you are now his forever? Can some people who have played a pcm game before with a cult tell us if he clearly mentions a cult actions in scenes i.e. like TSL and saf.

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I was thinking pedobear would be scum. Then again, there's a good chance he's miller too. After all he is Pedobear and his actions are... well immoral to say the least.

If you did actually feel that way it's interesting you chose now to mention it... In addition to bringing up the miller possibility, perhaps worthy of a fos should rodion turn up mafia.

Anyways great job safari!
I mean nothing wrong with liking some... things outside what one might call "normal" for example; seeing the predatory creature hunted by a kid, Me Gusta
vote rodion

[strike wolf]

I was thinking pedobear would be scum. Then again, there's a good chance he's miller too. After all he is Pedobear and his actions are... well immoral to say the least.

this seems like convenient timing to post this. The miller part I could see you holding back on saying because you don't want to get the cop all crazed and paranoid about it but not mentioning suspicions about the scum part yeah the timing seems awfully convenient.

As far as the investigation, I've never heard of a paranoid JOAT it's vaguely possible I suppose but the chances seem slim to none so I feel Safari's investigation is legitimate. What I do not agree with is the cult recruiter thing. That sounds too far fetched especially when you consider that Dazza seems to have been unaware that he was recruited by Rodion.

[shieldgenerator7]

well it's obvious that dazza was targeted by rod because she said so.

If rod flips town, the mod would tell us if he's miller. If he's town miller as well as roleblocker, then I say that clears saf (or makes saf less suspicious). If rod is town but isn't miller, saf is probably mafia or something (assuming paranoid JOAT is out of the question).

So, Vote Rodion bye bye pedobear.

Icedagger, I can see why you would want everyone to know you're a PGO so no one targets you. But understand that such a claim is suspicious because it makes for a good cover for mafia. That's why we're suspicious of you right now because of that. Sometimes things like that are handy to know for town though. Once in an RT I claimed doc so the mafia would target me. That night, they targeted me and in reality I was a town bulletproof. My plan to become a lightning rod worked. But the next day saf counterclaimed doc and I got lynched. And then saf was exposed, and killed the next night (or so I assume). So yeah be careful what info you expose, it might end up helping mafia more than town. It's hard to tell.

And strike wolf is a well-known mafia scum hunter in CC mafia.

*sees voting box to get rid of strike wolf, keeps walking*

-SG7 ( )

[edocsil]

If there is a guilty result we have to lynch. Even if he is town, if he is alive in a close endgame he could easily cost the town their victory. Wifom does dictate that he would be the most likely to be framed during the night, or other little things to cause him to be lynched today, but I do not think we can have any other course of action.

Vote Rodion

[JenBroness]

Investigate on first night...

Get guilty verdict!

Vote Rodion

And everything went better than expected!

[chapcrap]

There was a lot of posting while I slept.

I accept your challenge saf and I will vote Rodion. A claim like this from saf is good too because if he's lying we'll know right away and be able to take him out tomorrow.

Challenge Accepted

[jonty125]

Dazza seems unaware that he was recruited by Rodion.

Well if you were cult you weren't going to blurt it out would you

[strike wolf]

Dazza seems unaware that he was recruited by Rodion.

Well if you were cult you weren't going to blurt it out would you

At the same time, why point out that your recruiter has an iffy role?

@chap: that seems a bit simplex reasoning considering other options on the table.

[Mr. Squirrel]

So last night I investigated Rodion and came up with guilty. And before you go around saying I'm paranoid, might I add that I am flavor confirmed in the Day 1 scene as the discoverer of the conspiracy. So yes, I'm confident Rodion is anti town of some sort.

The reasoning for why I would investigate Rodion is partly because he admitted being pedobear, and partly because I know how much he loves to argue innocence when he's mafia. In fact, right now, he's WIFOMing his PR into a shield against him being mafia because it's "too obvious". That's basically his defense and I guarantee he'll stick to it come hell or high water.

unvote vote Rodion

Good job, Brobo-Cop

vote Rodion

[Mr. Squirrel]

Icedagger, I can see why you would want everyone to know you're a PGO so no one targets you. But understand that such a claim is suspicious because it makes for a good cover for mafia. That's why we're suspicious of you right now because of that. Sometimes things like that are handy to know for town though.

I believe icedagger's claim, bro. Is it a mafia-ish claim? Yea. But I rarely see mafia with balls enough to claim like that. It makes them suspicious early on and doesn't really help them any. His claim seems to be more out of concern for the town. We don't want to accidentally be killed by him, and his claim prevents that.

[sheepofdumb]

Yeah my timing probably could have been better. I wasn't paying attention to the case against Rodion. Well now that I've made a nice little noose for myself not much I can do until Rodion is dead is there? Vote Rodion.

[sheepofdumb]

EBWOP Unvote Vote Rodion

[chapcrap]

Dazza seems unaware that he was recruited by Rodion.

Well if you were cult you weren't going to blurt it out would you

Challenge accepted, I will respond to this. Back on page 38, at the bottom, dazza said:

So it looks like dazza was hit by the pedobear lastnight. What exactly does your role do, Rod?

I told you. He attacks and molests you at night. The next day you cannot vote and the next night if you have a night action you can't use it.

If I could vote I would be voting that pedo right now

So, I'm pretty sure that means he's not on Rodion's side. Just saying.

[jonty125]

Dazza seems unaware that he was recruited by Rodion.

Well if you were cult you weren't going to blurt it out would you

Challenge accepted, I will respond to this. Back on page 38, at the bottom, dazza said:

So it looks like dazza was hit by the pedobear lastnight. What exactly does your role do, Rod?

I told you. He attacks and molests you at night. The next day you cannot vote and the next night if you have a night action you can't use it.

If I could vote I would be voting that pedo right now

So, I'm pretty sure that means he's not on Rodion's side. Just saying.

I thought of OVER 9000! scenarios which made this post look normal but the way you've phrased your post makes me see how its wrong.

[Rodion]

Why do those BWs only happen when I'm asleep lol? Crafty, Safari, crafty...

I do not have the energy/patience/will to fight a guilty report like I did back in Terminator Mafia, so I'll only say it once: it's wrong. I'm not sure what is the cause of the false positive, but waiting for other players to post is always a sound idea as a town busdriver could appear telling who the real guilty person is. If I had to guess which of the various "crazy roles" are responsible for my fake positive, I'd guess Safari to be a lyncher.

Anyway, I'll have to make a fullclaim now. I like to think of roleblocker/voteblocker as side effects of my real skill, which is identity cop. I targeted Dazza because she said she didn't have a post restriction, so we would not get her identity "for free", as we have with / being Me Gusta, for instance. I intended to use my powers every night so I could stockpile those hidden identities and possibly see through a mafia fakeclaim. I can reveal Dazza's meme if you need the proof.

[Rodion]

EBWOP: Let me just add that morning is what I call "kindergarten time" and, as such, I'm usually busy enough to reply for obvious reasons.

Also, Dazza, do NOT reveal your own meme or you'd be tampering with my proof.

[DoomYoshi]

unvote vote Rodion

Let's hear your proof. Remember that even if you have proof, you are still likely to die. I don't always follow the cop, but when I do... wait a minute... Who am I kidding? I always follow the cop.