Three Kingdoms of Korea [Quenched]

[thenobodies80]

why continue to call this Three Kingdoms of Korea, CC has decided it shall be Korea.

The map was renamed "Three Kingdoms of Korea". You ask, ConquerClub does it.

The latest update was sent to lackattack

The update is now live.

Nobodies

[natty dread]

The map was renamed "Three Kingdoms of Korea". You ask, ConquerClub does it.

Damn, now I can't make the modern Korea map just to harass lack... oh well...

The update is now live.

Nice, that was quick.

[natty dread]

Instead of sending invites this time, I'm just posting this game here. First come, first served...

Game 9625174 password: ff

[drunkmonkey]

Question about the Wa bonus - BOB is showing the following in the text map:

Wa (2) Honshu(1) Kyushu(1)
Any capital (0) Qingdao(6) Pyongyang(1) Namgyeong(3) Gyeongju(8) Bon-Gaya(3)
Wa with a Capital (0) Any capital (0) Wa (2)

Shouldn't "Wa with a Capital" be (-2), to cancel out the Wa(2)? Or am I reading this incorrectly? I haven't held Wa with a capital to be sure how it acts.

[natty dread]

houldn't "Wa with a Capital" be (-2), to cancel out the Wa(2)? Or am I reading this incorrectly? I haven't held Wa with a capital to be sure how it acts.

Nope. The 0 bonus overrides the previous bonus. I don't know if BOB shows overrides.

[drunkmonkey]

houldn't "Wa with a Capital" be (-2), to cancel out the Wa(2)? Or am I reading this incorrectly? I haven't held Wa with a capital to be sure how it acts.

Nope. The 0 bonus overrides the previous bonus. I don't know if BOB shows overrides.

That makes sense. I should have figured that out from the other bonuses listed, but for some reason that one looked strange. Never mind.

[PLAYER57832]

Played 1 vs 1 with the new changes. Not sure I like them, right now it seems that the first player has a big advantage. However, as I noted before, not every map needs to be designed for 1 vs 1.

[natty dread]

I will investigate the situation.

[greenoaks]

the Geumgwamgaya territory is rather pointless stuck behind the 8-stack at Gyeongju

[natty dread]

the Geumgwamgaya territory is rather pointless stuck behind the 8-stack at Gyeongju

Gyeongju is 4 now.

[greenoaks]

the Geumgwamgaya territory is rather pointless stuck behind the 8-stack at Gyeongju

Gyeongju is 4 now.

i thought i read that above but my games are still showing it as 8.

Game 9622238

[natty dread]

the Geumgwamgaya territory is rather pointless stuck behind the 8-stack at Gyeongju

Gyeongju is 4 now.

i thought i read that above but my games are still showing it as 8.

Game 9622238

Your games were started before the latest update. Neutral values for already started games do not change when the map is updated. When you start a new game it will be 4.

[greenoaks]

the Geumgwamgaya territory is rather pointless stuck behind the 8-stack at Gyeongju

Gyeongju is 4 now.

i thought i read that above but my games are still showing it as 8.

Game 9622238

Your games were started before the latest update. Neutral values for already started games do not change when the map is updated. When you start a new game it will be 4.

that's a shame, i keep getting that territory i don't think i'll be starting any games this week, next week for sure.

this map has a real left/right split to it. is that a historical thing ?

[natty dread]

I'm not sure what you mean by a left/right split...

[greenoaks]

I'm not sure what you mean by a left/right split...

the ports on the left connect to the ports on the left. the ports on the right connect to the ports on the right.

Teng Chou connected to Gyeongju but i've never seen it used because of the 8 stack.

that left Teng Chou to Donggokjeo as the only port connection from left to right to circumvent to two land bottlenecks at Leland/Salsu & up north at Donghuyeo.

the reduction of Gyeongju to 4 may encourage more to attack it from Teng Chou but that still leaves only 3 ways into the left side of the map from the right

[natty dread]

Well, the sea connections are mostly based on historical facts. For example, Silla was allied with Tang (which wasn't really a part of Korea, but is included because of that association) so the direct sea connection between them fits. The yellow junks between mainland Tang and Tang's Korean holdings also make sense...

On the other hand, having sea connections on the same side of the peninsula is only logical, in that seafaring wasn't very advanced at that point in time, and it was easier to travel shorter distances rather than long ones, by sea.

From a gameplay perspective, a lot of the connections are designed to keep the map from being too bottlenecked.

[bfgray]

Hi. I hope this is the appropriate place to raise such a concern... I just want to say that I've played this map a few times and it's awesome, but it absolutely sucks for colourblind people like myself. Thanks to the labelling and the borders, I can more or less guess which regions belong to which kingdoms (still haven't figured out what kingdom Gaya is shared with though!), but the junks had me really confused for a long time, sorry. I got myself into a spot a couple of times because I misread the connections.

So, I don't know if it's too much to ask for you to go for colours that are a little more distinctive? The washed-out colours on this map make it very attractive, but also confusing.

[natty dread]

I'm not sure if anything can be done with the colours. The Jpeg format in which the maps are hosted on the site reduces the colour depth considerably, which means the colours will be somewhat washed out no matter what I do to them.

Bon-gaya is shared with Baekje, the rest with Silla.

[natty dread]

I could crank up the saturation to compensate for the jpeg colour loss, not sure how well that'd work... something like this:

[bigimg]http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/1298/korea26ss.jpg[/bigimg]

[greenoaks]

i'm not colour-blind and i also had some problems with those colours. anything you could do to make it easier to tell them apart would be great.

i turn on bob when i play it so i don't screw up but it would be good if i didn't feel unsure of which ports connected. although the more i play the map the more confident i feel about it.

[natty dread]

How about the image in my previous post

[Seamus76]

I like that new image. I'm a big fan of the map, and like the dark aspect, but it is a little too dark even for me. I think those new colors would not only lighten the map, but still work with the style and theme, as even the warriors wore bright colors such as gold and red, etc.

[greenoaks]

the brown of Silla is much easier to see, i like the green of Baekje, it works better with the colours of Silla and Goguryea.

i think it would be better if Tang stood out more in the shared areas. it does look better, just not as good an improvement as the other colours.


in an earlier post you said

this is Three Kingdoms of Korea, or Korea 57-668AD but it's not just Korea.

i know CC has recently chnged the name in the database to 3 kingdoms but i was wondering if you have considered at any point putting those years on your map. i know it is a historical map and what period in time because you told me so but Korea (and Korean history) is not well known and so i think most people here would not immediately recognise it for what it is like we might a map such as American Civil War or 13 Colonies.

i say this because when i first saw this map i thought wow, Korea is map up of 3 kingdoms. i still don't know if Korea is currently made up of 3 kingdoms (much like Australia has 6 states and the USA has 50 states) or if that is a thing of the past.

[natty dread]

i know CC has recently chnged the name in the database to 3 kingdoms but i was wondering if you have considered at any point putting those years on your map.

I don't think so... the map doesn't depict any certain time, it's more a general depiction of the Three Kingdoms era which spans several centuries... therefore I don't think adding those years on the map would add much to the map.

Anyway, here's a version with increased saturation and contrast. I separated the map to chroma/luminance channels and applied saturation to chroma only, and contrast to luminance only. This increases the difference between the colours and should improve legibility.

Note that these are png:s, so the final jpeg image will still be a little less saturated.

[bigimg]http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/6945/korea26sa.png[/bigimg]

[bigimg]http://img607.imageshack.us/img607/5135/korea26ss.png[/bigimg]

[natty dread]

Here are the same as 94% quality jpeg:s.

[bigimg]http://img834.imageshack.us/img834/7271/korea26sa.jpg[/bigimg]

[bigimg]http://img822.imageshack.us/img822/1298/korea26ss.jpg[/bigimg]