The terrorirst attack and island slaughter in Norway

[Phatscotty]

Seriously. If this guy was so Islamophobic and fundamentalist Christian, why did he target a bunch of Christian people?

Seriously.Why did the 9-11 terrorists target buildings that they knew contained many Muslims?

quite a stretch there stretch. Does that count as pass?

[chang50]

Seriously. If this guy was so Islamophobic and fundamentalist Christian, why did he target a bunch of Christian people?

Seriously.Why did the 9-11 terrorists target buildings that they knew contained many Muslims?

quite a stretch there stretch. Does that count as pass?

I thought my point was obvious,these whackjobs,right or left,muslim or xtian,are just that whackjobs,we cannot hope to rationalise or understand their motivations in short soundbites.Maybe a trained psychiatrist might just begin to get some understanding after extensive interviewing..

[General_Tao]

Scotty, let me phrase it in a language you might understand. That dude was after the goddam lib'rals, commies and raghead loverz of his country who were letting his country go down the drain. I bet he also thought their prime minister wasn't born in Norway...

The U.S. murder rate (5 per 100,000) is slightly higher than some EU countries (e.g. Finland / 3.0 per 100,000), and slightly lower than other EU countries (e.g. Lithuania / 9 per 100,000). There are ample threads already to discuss this; surely The Club can have at least one thread that isn't about the United States? IIRC there are other countries in the world.

What a total BS claim, the murder rate in the US is actually much higher than in Europe, and you know it saxi. This is a classic example of saxi massaging the stats to try to slam Europe as part of his obsessively weird fixation about that continent.

The average homicide rate in the US is actually about 4 times higher than in western and central Europe, a fact that saxi tried to obscure by using outliers like Finland and the Baltic states, which are totally unrepresentative of typical EU murder rates.

[Gillipig]

Please stay on topic guys! US murder rates vs EU murder rates isn't really relevant to the topic!

[saxitoxin]

The U.S. murder rate (5 per 100,000) is slightly higher than some EU countries (e.g. Finland / 3.0 per 100,000), and slightly lower than other EU countries (e.g. Lithuania / 9 per 100,000). There are ample threads already to discuss this; surely The Club can have at least one thread that isn't about the United States? IIRC there are other countries in the world.

This is a classic example of saxi massaging the stats

indeed

Finland - 2.8 / 100,000 (http://murder-rates.findthebest.com/que ... or-Finland)
U.S. - 5.9 / 100,000 (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html)
Lithuania - 8.7 / 100,000 (http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a185231.html)
(all figures on variable dates within the preceding 6 years)

I think you're still in the phase where you believe that whomever yells loud enough wins.

[Gillipig]

The U.S. murder rate (5 per 100,000) is slightly higher than some EU countries (e.g. Finland / 3.0 per 100,000), and slightly lower than other EU countries (e.g. Lithuania / 9 per 100,000). There are ample threads already to discuss this; surely The Club can have at least one thread that isn't about the United States? IIRC there are other countries in the world.

What a total BS claim, the murder rate in the US is actually much higher than in Europe, and you know it saxi. This is a classic example of saxi massaging the stats to try to slam Europe as part of his obsessively weird fixation about that continent.

*yawn*

Finland - 2.8 / 100,000 (http://murder-rates.findthebest.com/que ... or-Finland)
U.S. - 5.9 / 100,000 (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html)
Lithuania - 8.7 / 100,000 (http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a185231.html)
(all figures on variable dates within the preceding 6 years)

I think you're still in the phase where you believe that whomever yells loud enough wins.

I don't think we should discuss it in this thread but general tao is right! He's right because Finland and Lithuania is not representative for Europe. The average European country's murder rate is between 0-2 per 100 000. Finland and Lithuania are both countries with abnormally high murder rates for a European country! The murder rate in the US is on average several times higher than in western parts of Europe. Norway has a murder rate of between 0-1 per 100 000. I think wikipedia is actually very good at displaying this so I'm gonna give you the link to that topic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

[saxitoxin]

The U.S. murder rate (5 per 100,000) is slightly higher than some EU countries (e.g. Finland / 3.0 per 100,000), and slightly lower than other EU countries (e.g. Lithuania / 9 per 100,000). There are ample threads already to discuss this; surely The Club can have at least one thread that isn't about the United States? IIRC there are other countries in the world.

What a total BS claim, the murder rate in the US is actually much higher than in Europe, and you know it saxi. This is a classic example of saxi massaging the stats to try to slam Europe as part of his obsessively weird fixation about that continent.

*yawn*

Finland - 2.8 / 100,000 (http://murder-rates.findthebest.com/que ... or-Finland)
U.S. - 5.9 / 100,000 (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html)
Lithuania - 8.7 / 100,000 (http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a185231.html)
(all figures on variable dates within the preceding 6 years)

I think you're still in the phase where you believe that whomever yells loud enough wins.

I don't think we should discuss it in this thread but general tao is right! He's right because Finland and Lithuania is not representative for Europe. The average European country's murder rate is between 0-2 per 100 000. Finland and Lithuania are both countries with abnormally high murder rates for a European country! The murder rate in the US is on average several times higher than in western parts of Europe. Norway has a murder rate of between 0-1 per 100 000. I think wikipedia is actually very good at displaying this so I'm gonna give you the link to that topic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

Norway has the lowest rate in Europe - is that representative? If we're going to pick and choose territories within the EU, then we should probably also pick and choose territories within the U.S. It looks like the U.S. territory of Guam has a lower murder rate than Norway.

The EU's overall murder rate is 2.0 / 100,000. The U.S. is 5.0 / 100,000. The world high is 71.0 / 100,000 (El Salvador). I think one would be hard-pressed to say the U.S. murder rate is "high" if it's a 2 vs. a 5 on a scale that goes up to 71.

For instance, my penis is 8-inches, General Tao's is 4-inches. If the world maximum is 50-inches, it would be appropriate to say General Tao and I are in the same statistical zone, even though I'm twice as big, much thicker, more virile and have pleasured far more women.

[Gillipig]

The U.S. murder rate (5 per 100,000) is slightly higher than some EU countries (e.g. Finland / 3.0 per 100,000), and slightly lower than other EU countries (e.g. Lithuania / 9 per 100,000). There are ample threads already to discuss this; surely The Club can have at least one thread that isn't about the United States? IIRC there are other countries in the world.

What a total BS claim, the murder rate in the US is actually much higher than in Europe, and you know it saxi. This is a classic example of saxi massaging the stats to try to slam Europe as part of his obsessively weird fixation about that continent.

*yawn*

Finland - 2.8 / 100,000 (http://murder-rates.findthebest.com/que ... or-Finland)
U.S. - 5.9 / 100,000 (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0873729.html)
Lithuania - 8.7 / 100,000 (http://www.prokerala.com/news/articles/a185231.html)
(all figures on variable dates within the preceding 6 years)

I think you're still in the phase where you believe that whomever yells loud enough wins.

I don't think we should discuss it in this thread but general tao is right! He's right because Finland and Lithuania is not representative for Europe. The average European country's murder rate is between 0-2 per 100 000. Finland and Lithuania are both countries with abnormally high murder rates for a European country! The murder rate in the US is on average several times higher than in western parts of Europe. Norway has a murder rate of between 0-1 per 100 000. I think wikipedia is actually very good at displaying this so I'm gonna give you the link to that topic. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_co ... icide_rate

Norway has the lowest rate in Europe - is that representative? If we're going to pick and choose territories within the EU, then we should probably also pick and choose territories within the U.S. It looks like the U.S. territory of Guam has a lower murder rate than Norway.

The EU's overall murder rate is 2.0 / 100,000. The U.S. is 5.0 / 100,000. The world high is 71.0 / 100,000 (El Salvador). I think one would be hard-pressed to say the U.S. murder rate is "high" if it's a 2 vs. a 5 on a scale that goes up to 71 and averages at 10.

Everything is relative! But I don't think U.S. should compare it's murder rates with third world nations and be proud that they have lower rates. Look at countries with a similar structure in society and level of democracy and compare yourself with them instead of countries without or fringe democracies.

For instance, my penis is 8-inches, General Tao's is 4-inches. If the world maximum is 50-inches, it would be appropriate to say General Tao and I are in the same statistical zone, even though I'm twice as big, much thicker, more virile and have pleasured far more women.

As hilarious as this is it's not valid to compare penises with murder rates ! And if it would that would also mean that other similar claims would be true as well! Let's take human height for example the tallest man to ever live was 8 ft 11 in. I'm 6 ft 2 in and my mother is 5 ft 7 in. Going by your logic my mother and I are about the same height! Though the difference here is that while my number are real your numbers are way off ! Biggest penis ever measured was 13 inches I believe!

[saxitoxin]

The EU's overall murder rate is 2.0 / 100,000. The U.S. is 5.0 / 100,000. The world high is 71.0 / 100,000 (El Salvador). I think one would be hard-pressed to say the U.S. murder rate is "high" if it's a 2 vs. a 5 on a scale that goes up to 71 and averages at 10.

Everything is relative! But I don't think U.S. should compare it's murder rates with third world nations and be proud that they have lower rates. Look at countries with a similar structure in society and level of democracy and compare yourself with them instead of countries without or fringe democracies.

Chronic economic factors are not relevant to terminal crime. Burkina Faso, Tonga, Palau, Senegal, Samoa, Nigeria, etc., all have low-end murder rates. Developed countries like Argentina, Estonia and Costa Rica all have high-end murder rates. There's a case for omitting war zones, but no statistical case for omitting other countries unless "third world nations" is code for certain racial characteristics and a belief that some races are more prone to violence, which I don't believe. As an expatriate European, though, I understand that is the European way of looking at things (i.e. the Great White Father vs. the Colonial Child Races). This outlook seems to be why there's such a problem with racism and racial upheaval on the continent.

This is the non-racist way of looking at murder rates:

[Iliad]

Seriously. If this guy was so Islamophobic and fundamentalist Christian, why did he target a bunch of Christian people?

You heard it here. Unless you murder and massacre Muslims, you cannot be Islamophobic. Sorry to break up your talking point, but this was a cold calculated move against the Prime Minister and the next generation of politicians who support his policies.

A very significant reason was, in the killer's opinion, because they were supporting multicultural policies and were dooming the nation.

Is there anything else besides that?
What are the multi-cultaral policies the prime minister support? Anything specific?

Well Norway allows the immigration of Muslims, which seemed to be enough for the killer.

He was very right wing and this was intended to wreak maximum political damage. Your insinuations that he did not seek out a congregation of Muslims as proof that he is not Islamaphobic is ridiculous, yet you have posted it several times quite proudly. The guy has posted that Islam was the exactly the same as Fascism and Communism and bound to lead to millions of deaths.

[Gillipig]

The EU's overall murder rate is 2.0 / 100,000. The U.S. is 5.0 / 100,000. The world high is 71.0 / 100,000 (El Salvador). I think one would be hard-pressed to say the U.S. murder rate is "high" if it's a 2 vs. a 5 on a scale that goes up to 71 and averages at 10.

Everything is relative! But I don't think U.S. should compare it's murder rates with third world nations and be proud that they have lower rates. Look at countries with a similar structure in society and level of democracy and compare yourself with them instead of countries without or fringe democracies.

Chronic economic factors are not relevant to terminal crime. Burkina Faso, Tonga, Palau, Senegal, Samoa, Nigeria, etc., all have low-end murder rates. Developed countries like Argentina, Estonia and Costa Rica all have high-end murder rates. There's a case for omitting war zones, but no statistical case for omitting other countries unless "third world nations" is code for certain racial characteristics and a belief that some races are more prone to violence, which I don't believe. As an expatriate European, though, I understand that is the European way of looking at things (i.e. the Great White Father vs. the Colonial Child Races). This outlook seems to be why there's such a problem with racism and racial upheaval on the continent.

This is the non-racist way of looking at murder rates:

Accusing someone of being a racist is usually the last resort when you're losing an argument! Definition of racism goes: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others. Or Discrimination or prejudice based on race. Look again into my post before you throw around that word again please. Poor nations have higher murder rates on average than richer countries! And so has countries with a low level of democracy. The poorest nations in the world and those with the lowest level of democracy belongs to the "third world"! When you say it's not a question of economics or democracy you're not only wrong but it also makes me wonder what reasons you have for the murder rates being higher in those countries? Is it because of their culture or race or what else do you imagine is the difference?

[saxitoxin]

The EU's overall murder rate is 2.0 / 100,000. The U.S. is 5.0 / 100,000. The world high is 71.0 / 100,000 (El Salvador). I think one would be hard-pressed to say the U.S. murder rate is "high" if it's a 2 vs. a 5 on a scale that goes up to 71 and averages at 10.

Everything is relative! But I don't think U.S. should compare it's murder rates with third world nations and be proud that they have lower rates. Look at countries with a similar structure in society and level of democracy and compare yourself with them instead of countries without or fringe democracies.

Chronic economic factors are not relevant to terminal crime. Burkina Faso, Tonga, Palau, Senegal, Samoa, Nigeria, etc., all have low-end murder rates. Developed countries like Argentina, Estonia and Costa Rica all have high-end murder rates. There's a case for omitting war zones, but no statistical case for omitting other countries unless "third world nations" is code for certain racial characteristics and a belief that some races are more prone to violence, which I don't believe. As an expatriate European, though, I understand that is the European way of looking at things (i.e. the Great White Father vs. the Colonial Child Races). This outlook seems to be why there's such a problem with racism and racial upheaval on the continent.

This is the non-racist way of looking at murder rates:

Accusing someone of being a racist is usually the last resort when you're losing an argument! Definition of racism goes: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

For example - claiming racial characteristics make one more prone to violence and/or murder.

[General_Tao]

The homicide rate in the US is around 4 to 5 times that of Western Europe. As Gilipig said, saxi is just pulling two small outliners in a hopeless attempt to massage the numbers. Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Benelux, UK all have homicides rates that are orders of magnitude (300%-700%) smaller than the US'... But no, it's all about Estonia, and my god, just look at Lithuania!!!!!

It's also funny how hard saxi tried last week to make the argument that Europe was so much poorer than the US, when the difference between median incomes from Europe and the US was far, far smaller than the difference between their murder rates. There is just no limit for him when it comes to his obsession against Europe...

[saxitoxin]

The homicide rate in the US is around 4 to 5 times that of Western Europe. As Gilipig said, saxi is just pulling two small outliners in a hopeless attempt to massage the numbers. Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Benelux, UK all have homicides rates that are orders of magnitude (300%-700%) smaller than the US'... But no, it's all about Estonia, and my god, just look at Lithuania!!!!!

I'm sorry you feel Finland is an "outliner" while Luxembourg is the most important nation in Europe. I feel Finland is a vibrant and meaningful nation.

Again, I provided a stat to show the EU rate is 2.0 and the U.S. is 5.0 per 100K (actually Gillpig provided it). While I appreciate and celebrate that you have a vibrant imagination and generally high-level of hysteria ("4 to 5 times!!!!") perhaps there is a creative writing thread which you'd find more fulfilling? My #1 goal is to make this a pleasant experience for you.

[Gillipig]

The EU's overall murder rate is 2.0 / 100,000. The U.S. is 5.0 / 100,000. The world high is 71.0 / 100,000 (El Salvador). I think one would be hard-pressed to say the U.S. murder rate is "high" if it's a 2 vs. a 5 on a scale that goes up to 71 and averages at 10.

Everything is relative! But I don't think U.S. should compare it's murder rates with third world nations and be proud that they have lower rates. Look at countries with a similar structure in society and level of democracy and compare yourself with them instead of countries without or fringe democracies.

Chronic economic factors are not relevant to terminal crime. Burkina Faso, Tonga, Palau, Senegal, Samoa, Nigeria, etc., all have low-end murder rates. Developed countries like Argentina, Estonia and Costa Rica all have high-end murder rates. There's a case for omitting war zones, but no statistical case for omitting other countries unless "third world nations" is code for certain racial characteristics and a belief that some races are more prone to violence, which I don't believe. As an expatriate European, though, I understand that is the European way of looking at things (i.e. the Great White Father vs. the Colonial Child Races). This outlook seems to be why there's such a problem with racism and racial upheaval on the continent.

This is the non-racist way of looking at murder rates:

Accusing someone of being a racist is usually the last resort when you're losing an argument! Definition of racism goes: The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.

For example - claiming racial characteristics make one more prone to violence and/or murder.

And so you say that is the reason why they commit more murders on average than western Europeans! Because they are racists!? I thought you just said that Western Europeans are racists? Make up your mind please dear sir !

[saxitoxin]

No, that's what you said.

[Gillipig]

No, that's what you said.

Not at all. I just told you that they commit more murders on average than western Europeans and that is just a fact. I think they do so because they are poorer on average and have a weaker democracy. You countered by saying that being a racist makes people more inclined to commit murder (which I consider true). How am I not suppose to not interpret that as that they commit more murders because they have more racists? I was surprised by your answer but nonetheless that was the answer you provided. If I ask you again why you think they commit more murders maybe you will answer differently but I assume you'll just refuse to believe the statistics or screw them like you did with Europe vs U.S. murder rates!

[saxitoxin]

No, that's what you said.

Not at all. I just told you that they commit more murders on average than western Europeans and that is just a fact.

First, I've never referred to "western" Europe anymore than I've referred to the "north-east" United States. Europe is Europe.

Second, "they" ("they" = "non-whites" and/or "Muslims"?) do not commit more murders than the "Great White Father." From your own source, nations with less than 2.0 per 100K: Vanuatu, Egypt, Algeria, Lebanon, Burkina Faso, Morocco, Palau, Vietnam, Nigeria, etc. etc.

I hope there can come a time when caucasians can recognize non-whites as equals, not an inferior race requiring a paternalistic attitude.

Anyway, back to the topic. more terrorist cells are active, according to Breivik: http://www.leaderpost.com/Norway+suspec ... story.html Should we consider UN peacekeeping troops for Norway?

[General_Tao]

The homicide rate in the US is around 4 to 5 times that of Western Europe. As Gilipig said, saxi is just pulling two small outliners in a hopeless attempt to massage the numbers. Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Benelux, UK all have homicides rates that are orders of magnitude (300%-700%) smaller than the US'... But no, it's all about Estonia, and my god, just look at Lithuania!!!!!

I'm sorry you feel Finland is an "outliner" while Luxembourg is the most important nation in Europe. I feel Finland is a vibrant and meaningful nation.

Again, I provided a stat to show the EU rate is 2.0 and the U.S. is 5.0 per 100K (actually Gillpig provided it). While I appreciate and celebrate that you have a vibrant imagination and generally high-level of hysteria ("4 to 5 times!!!!") perhaps there is a creative writing thread which you'd find more fulfilling? My #1 goal is to make this a pleasant experience for you.

Population of Finland: 5.3 million
Population of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Benelux, UK combined: about 330 million

murder rate in Germany: 0.86
murder rate in France: 1.31
murder rate in Italy: 1.10
murder rate in Spain: 0.90
murder rate in Benelux: 1.4
murder rate in UK: 1.28

murder rate in US: 5.0 ...about 4 to 5 times larger than that of the above countries.

Thanks for playing saxi.

[saxitoxin]

The homicide rate in the US is around 4 to 5 times that of Western Europe. As Gilipig said, saxi is just pulling two small outliners in a hopeless attempt to massage the numbers. Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Benelux, UK all have homicides rates that are orders of magnitude (300%-700%) smaller than the US'... But no, it's all about Estonia, and my god, just look at Lithuania!!!!!

I'm sorry you feel Finland is an "outliner" while Luxembourg is the most important nation in Europe. I feel Finland is a vibrant and meaningful nation.

Again, I provided a stat to show the EU rate is 2.0 and the U.S. is 5.0 per 100K (actually Gillpig provided it). While I appreciate and celebrate that you have a vibrant imagination and generally high-level of hysteria ("4 to 5 times!!!!") perhaps there is a creative writing thread which you'd find more fulfilling? My #1 goal is to make this a pleasant experience for you.

Population of Finland: 5.3 million
Population of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Benelux, UK combined: about 330 million

murder rate in Germany: 0.86
murder rate in France: 1.31
murder rate in Italy: 1.10
murder rate in Spain: 0.90
murder rate in Benelux: 1.4
murder rate in UK: 1.28

murder rate in US: 5.0 ...about 4 to 5 times larger than that of the above countries.

Thanks for playing saxi.

In the thread about the horrible poverty in Europe you said "thanks for playing" also after you did the same stunning turn - selective comparison - about which everyone had a hearty laugh -you're quickly turning into the board jester! If we're just going to pick the EU states with lowest murder rates, then let's do the same for the U.S.

New Hampshire 0.8
Vermont 1.1
Iowa 1.1
Utah 1.3
Minnesota 1.4
Idaho 1.4
North Dakota 1.5

Obviously that would be silly. Just as silly as picking and choosing the EU states with the lowest murder rates, standing naked on a milk carton and screaming like a lunatic "this is representative of the EU!" while pounding your chest furiously.

The U.S. murder rate of 5.0 is indeed, twice as high as the EU's of 2.5. The EU's murder rate is, in turn, three-times as high as Japan's of 0.8. Similarly, the EU's rates of non-homicide violent and property crime tend to be higher than those in the U.S. Despite that, Japan still is generally low. The only lesson here is that white culture is prone to irrational violence, murder and mayhem, as the lesson of Oslo taught us.

And now I regret affairs of state take me away from The Club for an extended period. Ta -

[patches70]

The U.S. murder rate of 5.0 is indeed, twice as high as the EU's of 2.5. The EU's murder rate is, in turn, three-times as high as Japan's of 0.8. The only lesson here is that white culture is prone to irrational violence, murder and mayhem, as the lesson of Oslo taught us.

Whoa now! You compare two continents, Europe and North America to a single little island nation of Japan and your conclusion is
White culture is prone to irrational violence"?

Maybe you are right, but you haven't made any case for that claim.

What is the murder rate for the whole of Africa?

What is the murder rate for the whole of Asia?

and
South America?

The top ten murder rate countries in the world are-
1- Honduras
2- South Africa
3- Swaziland
4-Columbia
5- Lesotho
6- Rwanda
7- Jamaica (Wow! Really?)
8- El Salvador
9- Venezuela
10- Bolivia

Hmmm. Honduras for example is 150/100K! South Africa is 120/100K, and South Africa also has the distinction of "Baby Rape Capital of the World".

I don't know if you can come to the conclusion that white culture is any more violent than any other culture. Seems to me, that human beings in general are pretty violent. It looks more like the Southern Hemisphere induces violent attitudes more so than some racial line.

Maybe it's geographical. LOL.

If you look at the US individually by state, you'll find that Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico have the highest rates, and located well southern part of NA. Those three states were also ranked as the 3 most dangerous states to live in according to dangerous crime-
http://www.walletpop.com/2010/04/05/mos ... -for-2010/


It seems, the closer to the South Pole, the more prone to murder.

[Gillipig]

The homicide rate in the US is around 4 to 5 times that of Western Europe. As Gilipig said, saxi is just pulling two small outliners in a hopeless attempt to massage the numbers. Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Benelux, UK all have homicides rates that are orders of magnitude (300%-700%) smaller than the US'... But no, it's all about Estonia, and my god, just look at Lithuania!!!!!

I'm sorry you feel Finland is an "outliner" while Luxembourg is the most important nation in Europe. I feel Finland is a vibrant and meaningful nation.

Again, I provided a stat to show the EU rate is 2.0 and the U.S. is 5.0 per 100K (actually Gillpig provided it). While I appreciate and celebrate that you have a vibrant imagination and generally high-level of hysteria ("4 to 5 times!!!!") perhaps there is a creative writing thread which you'd find more fulfilling? My #1 goal is to make this a pleasant experience for you.

Population of Finland: 5.3 million
Population of Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Benelux, UK combined: about 330 million

murder rate in Germany: 0.86
murder rate in France: 1.31
murder rate in Italy: 1.10
murder rate in Spain: 0.90
murder rate in Benelux: 1.4
murder rate in UK: 1.28

murder rate in US: 5.0 ...about 4 to 5 times larger than that of the above countries.

Thanks for playing saxi.

In the thread about the horrible poverty in Europe you said "thanks for playing" also after you did the same stunning turn - selective comparison - about which everyone had a hearty laugh -you're quickly turning into the board jester! If we're just going to pick the EU states with lowest murder rates, then let's do the same for the U.S.

New Hampshire 0.8
Vermont 1.1
Iowa 1.1
Utah 1.3
Minnesota 1.4
Idaho 1.4
North Dakota 1.5

Obviously that would be silly. Just as silly as picking and choosing the EU states with the lowest murder rates, standing naked on a milk carton and screaming like a lunatic "this is representative of the EU!" while pounding your chest furiously.

My god you do it again ! The countries general tao named from Europe contains almost 50% of all inhabitant in Europe! The states you mentioned contains only 5% of all inhabitants in the U.S.! You must truly love to falsify information. And Finland is most definitely not a standard country in Europe when it comes to murder rates and to use it's numbers as the low number to try to make Europe look closer to the U.S. in murder rates is very inappropriate

The U.S. murder rate of 5.0 is indeed, twice as high as the EU's of 2.5. The EU's murder rate is, in turn, three-times as high as Japan's of 0.8. Similarly, the EU's rates of non-homicide violent and property crime tend to be higher than those in the U.S. Despite that, Japan still is generally low. The only lesson here is that white culture is prone to irrational violence, murder and mayhem, as the lesson of Oslo taught us.

And now I regret affairs of state take me away from The Club for an extended period. Ta -

So your lesson from this attack is that everyone who lives in Europe are like Anders Behring Breivik and we are all racist. I wonder what you learned from watching the news the last decades about guerrilla warfare in Africa if you made that conclusion after a single terrorist attack in Norway!

I hope there can come a time when caucasians can recognize non-whites as equals, not an inferior race requiring a paternalistic attitude.

Lol yeah because that's what I've been saying all along isn't it. You're just rambling!

Anyway, back to the topic.

Agreed, this conversation has gone on to long. You've made your point through writing nonsense and we've proved you're writing nonsense! Let's move on. I don't think there are anymore cells that he know of since he would then probably not admit it. He's just trying to inflict more fear into the public and get people to think that there are more people like him ready to attack if they don't start throwing out Muslims.

[General_Tao]

Hehe Gilipig, actually my list of European countries above does make up the great majority of W. Europe. If i had the time, I would have completed it by adding Sweden, Portugal, Switzerland, Austria, Norway, Denmark and Finland who have the same murder rates. Finland's a little higher but the murder rate in Scandinavia as a whole is no higher than in the rest of W. Europe.

On the other hand, the list of US states saxi cherrypicked makes up about 4% of the US population. GJ saxi...


And saxi, Eastern Europe IS NOT like the Eastern US, because states like Massachusetts and Maine weren't part of the Soviet empire for half a century, you know...

[Phatscotty]

I am hearing people in England and Western Europe are calling this guy the Norwegian Guy Fawkes. Is this true?

Does Norway have any historical figures like Guy Fawkes?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUkgNvvF7Vk

[Symmetry]

I am hearing people in England and Western Europe are calling this guy the Norwegian Guy Fox. Is this true?

Does Norway have any historical figures like Guy Fox?

Guy Fox

No