Gillipig wrote: Well we recently posted a link to the book itself so this feels a little small minded. Download the book if you want to know more about his motive.
I read it before making my first statement, telling you you were wrong, well before you called me various names. Truth is, you owe me an apology, not insults. but of course.. that would take real character.
You called me an idiot but I didn't name call you so I don't see how I should apologize to you! If you had read it before it got posted here it would've been wise to give us a source! You could've just read it a couple of minutes ago and claim you knew it all along.
Phatscotty wrote:..and there aren't riots in the streets here like there was in France..
The riots in France were not Islamic or religious. They had more in common with the LA and Atlanta riots of the 90:s than a so-called "jihad". Some American and English papers hinted that they were of religious nature.. but that does not make it true.
You get at least one of Rupert Murdoch´s papers (the sun) saying what happened in Norway was an "Al-Qaeda massacre".. don´t trust everything you read in the papers or hear someone say on Fox or in other crap media owned by that old evil satan.
Gillpig wrote:You called me an idiot but I didn't name call you so I don't see how I should apologize to you! If you had read it before it got posted here it would've been wise to give us a source!
I haven't followed your conversation with each other, however, don't take it personally, Gillpig; you're not the first - and doubtfully will be the last - to be called an idiot by Player. (see: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=130201&p=2859478&hilit=+idiot+player+saxitoxin#p2859478) Best policy is to take a quick glance - like you would at a bad car wreck on the side of the road - and then move on.
ballong wrote:crap media owned by that old evil satan
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Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
Gillpig wrote:You called me an idiot but I didn't name call you so I don't see how I should apologize to you! If you had read it before it got posted here it would've been wise to give us a source!
I haven't followed your conversation with each other, however, don't take it personally, Gillpig; you're not the first - and doubtfully will be the last - to be called an idiot by Player. (see: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=130201&p=2859478&hilit=+idiot+player+saxitoxin#p2859478) Best policy is to take a quick glance - like you would at a bad car wreck on the side of the road - and then move on.
lol yeah I'm not easily insulted just thought that it was strange he blamed me for name calling when he was the only one name calling ! Also I came to think about the link to the book. Maybe we should remove it!? After all this guy wants it to be read and we're sort of aiding his cause by having it up! What do you guys think?
I have not read this whole thread yet, but if it was not yet mentioned, the murderer was 32 years old and has now killed 92 people. I just heard from the news that Norway has a maximum prison sentence for any crime of 21 years. The murderer could be free at the age of 53! America would have no problem wasting this guy!
CreepersWiener wrote:I have not read this whole thread yet, but if it was not yet mentioned, the murderer was 32 years old and has now killed 92 people. I just heard from the news that Norway has a maximum prison sentence for any crime of 21 years. The murderer could be free at the age of 53! America would have no problem wasting this guy!
I don't think he'll survive 21 years in jail but if he does I'm quite sure they will set him free. Sentencing him to a longer prison sentence would require a law change. And the Prime minister has already went out and said that Norway will not change it's policies because of terrorists so the logical thing is that they don't change their law system due to one terrorist. But I must agree it's a sick thought that he can walk out of there a free man in 21 years! If he did this in the U.S. he would've gotten a couple of thousand years in prison!
CW, that's a good find. According to the wikipedia (who knows how accurate that is) entry ex post facto law:
Article 97 of the Norwegian constitution prohibits any law to be given retroactive effect. The prohibition applies to both criminal and civil laws.
So it appears he will indeed only serve 21 years with no possibility of the law being changed to extend it beyond his 53rd birthday.
Also, this is the only place I've seen it, I wonder if it's true? Since the other day I've been incredulous to the idea that this was a lone gunman; it seems much more likely it was the work of one of Norway's many domestic terror cells and it appears it could have been -
Police in Norway have arrested six more people in connection with Friday's twin terror attack which killed at least 92 people.
I bet this BS about people not serving a proper amount of time for a hideous crime is one of the things that pissed this guy off as well as emblodened'd'd'd him to go through with it.
CreepersWiener wrote:I have not read this whole thread yet, but if it was not yet mentioned, the murderer was 32 years old and has now killed 92 people. I just heard from the news that Norway has a maximum prison sentence for any crime of 21 years. The murderer could be free at the age of 53! America would have no problem wasting this guy!
I don't think he'll survive 21 years in jail but if he does I'm quite sure they will set him free. Sentencing him to a longer prison sentence would require a law change. And the Prime minister has already went out and said that Norway will not change it's policies because of terrorists so the logical thing is that they don't change their law system due to one terrorist. But I must agree it's a sick thought that he can walk out of there a free man in 21 years! If he did this in the U.S. he would've gotten a couple of thousand years in prison!
If 21 years is the maximum only for a single conviction then it might be circumvented by not making the lengths of imprisonment concurent , ie he gets a term for every murder each of which starts when the previous one finishes.
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Phatscotty wrote:I bet this BS about people not serving a proper amount of time for a hideous crime is one of the things that pissed this guy off as well as emblodened'd'd'd him to go through with it.
Yep thats why the USA has such low murder rates , because everybody is terrified of the death penalty
CreepersWiener wrote:I have not read this whole thread yet, but if it was not yet mentioned, the murderer was 32 years old and has now killed 92 people. I just heard from the news that Norway has a maximum prison sentence for any crime of 21 years. The murderer could be free at the age of 53! America would have no problem wasting this guy!
I don't think he'll survive 21 years in jail but if he does I'm quite sure they will set him free. Sentencing him to a longer prison sentence would require a law change. And the Prime minister has already went out and said that Norway will not change it's policies because of terrorists so the logical thing is that they don't change their law system due to one terrorist. But I must agree it's a sick thought that he can walk out of there a free man in 21 years! If he did this in the U.S. he would've gotten a couple of thousand years in prison!
If 21 years is the maximum only for a single conviction then it might be circumvented by not making the lengths of imprisonment concurent , ie he gets a term for every murder each of which starts when the previous one finishes.
I don't think that is possible unfortunately! The total time in prison can't exceed 21 years as far as I've understood and then it doesn't matter if he killed 1or 100 people. The Norwegian law system is not suited to deal with things like this and if they change it they're doing what they promised to not to change due to terrorists. I found other sources supportiing the claim. It seems likely that he can't get more than 21 years if he behave! If he's not behaving I think they can keep him for as long as they want! http://www.bhcourier.com/article/Local/ ... Most/78502 http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/23/polic ... in-prison/
CreepersWiener wrote:I have not read this whole thread yet, but if it was not yet mentioned, the murderer was 32 years old and has now killed 92 people. I just heard from the news that Norway has a maximum prison sentence for any crime of 21 years. The murderer could be free at the age of 53! America would have no problem wasting this guy!
I don't think he'll survive 21 years in jail but if he does I'm quite sure they will set him free. Sentencing him to a longer prison sentence would require a law change. And the Prime minister has already went out and said that Norway will not change it's policies because of terrorists so the logical thing is that they don't change their law system due to one terrorist. But I must agree it's a sick thought that he can walk out of there a free man in 21 years! If he did this in the U.S. he would've gotten a couple of thousand years in prison!
If 21 years is the maximum only for a single conviction then it might be circumvented by not making the lengths of imprisonment concurent , ie he gets a term for every murder each of which starts when the previous one finishes.
I don't think that is possible unfortunately! The total time in prison can't exceed 21 years as far as I've understood and then it doesn't matter if he killed 1or 100 people. The Norwegian law system is not suited to deal with things like this and if they change it they're doing what they promised to not to change due to terrorists. I found other sources supportiing the claim. It seems likely that he can't get more than 21 years if he behave! If he's not behaving I think they can keep him for as long as they want! http://www.bhcourier.com/article/Local/ ... Most/78502 http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/23/polic ... in-prison/
this might mean he has a life expectancy of 53 but then again if your correct with the loophole if the you killed 90 some people you think anyone going to say hes behaving.
Phatscotty wrote:I bet this BS about people not serving a proper amount of time for a hideous crime is one of the things that pissed this guy off as well as emblodened'd'd'd him to go through with it.
Yep thats why the USA has such low murder rates , because everybody is terrified of the death penalty
Life without parole ever enter your thoughts?
A lot of states do not even have a death penalty. How can someone be afraid of a death penalty if it does not even exists?
America has 50 different states with very different laws.
Phatscotty wrote:I bet this BS about people not serving a proper amount of time for a hideous crime is one of the things that pissed this guy off as well as emblodened'd'd'd him to go through with it.
Yep thats why the USA has such low murder rates , because everybody is terrified of the death penalty
Life without parole ever enter your thoughts? A lot of states do not even have a death penalty. How can someone be afraid of a death penalty if it does not even exists? America has 50 different states with very different laws.
That is your argument for why the USA has such low murder rates regarding "not serving a proper amount of time"? It doesn't seem to be working very well.
...I prefer a man who will burn the flag and then wrap himself in the Constitution to a man who will burn the Constitution and then wrap himself in the flag.
Phatscotty wrote:I bet this BS about people not serving a proper amount of time for a hideous crime is one of the things that pissed this guy off as well as emblodened'd'd'd him to go through with it.
Yep thats why the USA has such low murder rates , because everybody is terrified of the death penalty
The U.S. murder rate (5 per 100,000) is slightly higher than some EU countries (e.g. Finland / 3.0 per 100,000), and slightly lower than other EU countries (e.g. Lithuania / 9 per 100,000). There are ample threads already to discuss this; surely The Club can have at least one thread that isn't about the United States? IIRC there are other countries in the world.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
saxitoxin wrote:There are ample threads already to discuss this; surely The Club can have at least one thread that isn't about the United States? IIRC there are other countries in the world.
No - this dream isnt ever going to happen, which is why i don't hardly post / read this forum much anymore.
CreepersWiener wrote:I have not read this whole thread yet, but if it was not yet mentioned, the murderer was 32 years old and has now killed 92 people. I just heard from the news that Norway has a maximum prison sentence for any crime of 21 years. The murderer could be free at the age of 53! America would have no problem wasting this guy!
I don't think he'll survive 21 years in jail but if he does I'm quite sure they will set him free. Sentencing him to a longer prison sentence would require a law change. And the Prime minister has already went out and said that Norway will not change it's policies because of terrorists so the logical thing is that they don't change their law system due to one terrorist. But I must agree it's a sick thought that he can walk out of there a free man in 21 years! If he did this in the U.S. he would've gotten a couple of thousand years in prison!
If 21 years is the maximum only for a single conviction then it might be circumvented by not making the lengths of imprisonment concurent , ie he gets a term for every murder each of which starts when the previous one finishes.
I don't think that is possible unfortunately! The total time in prison can't exceed 21 years as far as I've understood and then it doesn't matter if he killed 1or 100 people. The Norwegian law system is not suited to deal with things like this and if they change it they're doing what they promised to not to change due to terrorists. I found other sources supportiing the claim. It seems likely that he can't get more than 21 years if he behave! If he's not behaving I think they can keep him for as long as they want! http://www.bhcourier.com/article/Local/ ... Most/78502 http://dailycaller.com/2011/07/23/polic ... in-prison/
this might mean he has a life expectancy of 53 but then again if your correct with the loophole if the you killed 90 some people you think anyone going to say hes behaving.
No, actually I think they'll do anything they can to keep him in. But they're not going to break or change the law to do it but find a loophole to keep him in. But he's not going to get more than 21 years in prison in one sentence. They're probably going to renew his sentence with a couple of years after the 21 years are done and say that he's been very bad behaved regardless of how he's behaved. I don't mind him sitting in jail for as long as he lives but I don't think they should have to fiddle around to keep him in. 21 years is too low as for the maximum. Raise it to 50 years that will be more appropriate. I like Norway but I think it is stupid to not respond to changes around you and if this is the first time that someone comes a long that deserves life in prison then change the law to fit the reality they live in!!! They don't have to use it all the time but when someone kills 92 people you need to have a law system that can deal out an appropriate sentence without having to fiddle to keep him in! I think they have a responsibility to let their own people know that he undoubtedly never will get out of prison! An inmates behavior doesn't reflect what he's done outside but what he's doing inside the prison and if an inmate has behaved you can't morally claim he hasn't just because otherwise he would get out! 2 wrongs doesn't make 1 right! 21 years as maximum sentence is just lain stupid!
Phatscotty wrote:Seriously. If this guy was so Islamophobic and fundamentalist Christian, why did he target a bunch of Christian people?
You heard it here. Unless you murder and massacre Muslims, you cannot be Islamophobic. Sorry to break up your talking point, but this was a cold calculated move against the Prime Minister and the next generation of politicians who support his policies.
A very significant reason was, in the killer's opinion, because they were supporting multicultural policies and were dooming the nation.
Phatscotty wrote:Seriously. If this guy was so Islamophobic and fundamentalist Christian, why did he target a bunch of Christian people?
You heard it here. Unless you murder and massacre Muslims, you cannot be Islamophobic. Sorry to break up your talking point, but this was a cold calculated move against the Prime Minister and the next generation of politicians who support his policies.
A very significant reason was, in the killer's opinion, because they were supporting multicultural policies and were dooming the nation.
Is there anything else besides that? What are the multi-cultaral policies the prime minister support? Anything specific?
