Game of Thrones Night 3: The King's Hand, Justice and Guard

[Iliad]

Vote count
safariguy-3-pancakemix, daze, talapus
/-1-btg
pcm-1-lalaland
kwanton-2-saxlad, nagerous
edocsil-3- safariguy, /, naxus
chap-1-bleed
talapus-1-rodion
nag-2-edocsil, squirrel
bleed-1-haggis
skoffin-1 kwanton
rodion-1 strikewolf,
haggis-1-bleedgreen

With 18 alive takes 10 to lynch.
Deadline in 3 days. I can push it back by a day or two if needed.

Being confused by either the flavour or mechanics may be understandable but is still not an excuse to not post. I'm here to answer any objective flavour questions.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Iliad]

Victor Sullivan has replaced lalaland instead of shield, because shield was unresponsive.

[Victor Sullivan]

Confirm! I'll be reading up soon, once I finish some business.

-Sully

[Talapus]

My question, is it common for a game to have a jester? If so, you have made yourself a good target for either side to kill.

jesters are hit or miss. Typically in flavor heavy games tough they aren't that common. Just mainly for the fact that this isn't a Fircoal game and the fact that with jesters the chance of the mod investing tons of time into making the game gets flushed down the toilet should the jester win day 2 or something. And honestly with a role claim like his, I doubt he made it up and doubt he is actually a jester.

[BGtheBrain]

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[Victor Sullivan]

Vote Skoffin while you all wait for me to post a real vote.

-Sully

[jonty125]

Victor Sullivan has replaced lalaland instead of shield, because shield was unresponsive.

I thought I was next on the replacement list

[nagerous]

My question, is it common for a game to have a jester? If so, you have made yourself a good target for either side to kill.

jesters are hit or miss. Typically in flavor heavy games tough they aren't that common. Just mainly for the fact that this isn't a Fircoal game and the fact that with jesters the chance of the mod investing tons of time into making the game gets flushed down the toilet should the jester win day 2 or something. And honestly with a role claim like his, I doubt he made it up and doubt he is actually a jester.

I honestly think people get too worried about jesters and discuss them far too regularly. If the jester is lynched, it doesn't affect the game in any real way and town can still celebrate a full victory. They are also far less common in serious games and I doubt there would be one in this game as it would not really be illustrative of the game flavour.

[safariguy5]

No I'm not a jester.

I'm just saying that I'm not cutting deals with anyone. But threatening me with lynches isn't the right play in my mind either, I'm just trying to deter people from desperation lynching me or blaming me for town losing.

Speaking of which, lynching me today also gives mafia a free NK while probably not giving you much information in terms vote patterns.

[Mr. Squirrel]

No I'm not a jester.

I'm just saying that I'm not cutting deals with anyone. But threatening me with lynches isn't the right play in my mind either, I'm just trying to deter people from desperation lynching me or blaming me for town losing.

Speaking of which, lynching me today also gives mafia a free NK while probably not giving you much information in terms vote patterns.

So either we keep you alive and have you blackmail us, or else lynch you and suffer one mafia NK. Sounds like town is screwed either way.

[naxus]

No I'm not a jester.

I'm just saying that I'm not cutting deals with anyone. But threatening me with lynches isn't the right play in my mind either, I'm just trying to deter people from desperation lynching me or blaming me for town losing.

Speaking of which, lynching me today also gives mafia a free NK while probably not giving you much information in terms vote patterns.

So either we keep you alive and have you blackmail us, or else lynch you and suffer one mafia NK. Sounds like town is screwed either way.

Hence Why I'm extremely confused as to why we're still discussing this? I mean town takes a negative hit from doing anything to safari. Lets worry about getting scum instead of the third party guy who may or may not sell us down the river

[strike wolf]

It is clear that the way safari has laid it out we lynch him today or Just ignore him though end game. Lynching him day 2 is down right out of the picture. Any experienced player knows that just because town lost one player due to mislynch and mafia killed off another doesn't equate to mafia have enough of an advantage to decide to go full support for them. On the other hand what is a bit more murky is which of those two options would be best. I am leaning towards letting him live and if the vig has different thoughts than let it be. He may end up helping the mafia but he can potentially help town just as much.

[safariguy5]

No I'm not a jester.

I'm just saying that I'm not cutting deals with anyone. But threatening me with lynches isn't the right play in my mind either, I'm just trying to deter people from desperation lynching me or blaming me for town losing.

Speaking of which, lynching me today also gives mafia a free NK while probably not giving you much information in terms vote patterns.

So either we keep you alive and have you blackmail us, or else lynch you and suffer one mafia NK. Sounds like town is screwed either way.

Hence Why I'm extremely confused as to why we're still discussing this? I mean town takes a negative hit from doing anything to safari. Lets worry about getting scum instead of the third party guy who may or may not sell us down the river

Yeah, mafia is probably going to get some town night actions regardless, but town will get some night actions too. It's all a question of how much do you trust the HoTK to use that information correctly.

[Bleed_Green]

safariguy5 wrote: Well, this is really on town if they end up falling behind. Remenber, I have no stake in steering a town victory. I will say that if town is falling behind, then I will consider not revealing power roles to mafia, as they're probably not real concerned with which townie they kill as long as townies are dying. But like I said, if town does decide to try and lynch me later on, I will still have information I've stockpiled to release and potentially hurt town even more. Is it blackmail? Probably. But as Rodion so eloquently put it in Clue...

How do you get to use your stock piled information? As above you stated that if we try and screw you over and lynch you, you quite possibly will send the GF all of your withheld information. But as the post below reads that each night 1 action has to go to the King (afterwards stated HOTK) and 1 post needs to go to the GF, you can either keep 1 for yourself or send it to either side. By rereading your claim you did not make mention on how you could possibly use the information you with hold? By your post above I would guess that anytime you can resend as much information gathered to either side of your choosing?

So when asked to explain everything about your role previously you are still not saying everything that you can do. The more I am looking at your potential role it really does seem dangerous to the town if you make it passed the first couple of times with your stockpiled information.

safariguy5 wrote: Each night, I get three night actions from the mod, with some information missing.

For example, if nagerous roleblocked Mr. Squirrel, then I might get something like

"nagerous visited Mr. Squirrel"
or
"nagerous roleblocked someone"
or
"someone roleblocked Mr. Squirrel"

I have to send one of the actions to the king and one to the mafia leader.

I do not know which player I am sending the action to.

The third action I may either keep to myself or send to one of the leaders.

[Rodion]

safariguy5 wrote: Well, this is really on town if they end up falling behind. Remenber, I have no stake in steering a town victory. I will say that if town is falling behind, then I will consider not revealing power roles to mafia, as they're probably not real concerned with which townie they kill as long as townies are dying. But like I said, if town does decide to try and lynch me later on, I will still have information I've stockpiled to release and potentially hurt town even more. Is it blackmail? Probably. But as Rodion so eloquently put it in Clue...

How do you get to use your stock piled information? As above you stated that if we try and screw you over and lynch you, you quite possibly will send the GF all of your withheld information. But as the post below reads that each night 1 action has to go to the King (afterwards stated HOTK) and 1 post needs to go to the GF, you can either keep 1 for yourself or send it to either side. By rereading your claim you did not make mention on how you could possibly use the information you with hold? By your post above I would guess that anytime you can resend as much information gathered to either side of your choosing?

Easy. When he gets to L-"x" he can write everything on the thread.

"By the way, mafia, since town is killing me I'll let you know that:
a) N1 report sent to HotK
b) N1 report I kept to myself
c) N2 report sent to HotK
d) N2 report I kept to myself"

[safariguy5]

safariguy5 wrote: Well, this is really on town if they end up falling behind. Remenber, I have no stake in steering a town victory. I will say that if town is falling behind, then I will consider not revealing power roles to mafia, as they're probably not real concerned with which townie they kill as long as townies are dying. But like I said, if town does decide to try and lynch me later on, I will still have information I've stockpiled to release and potentially hurt town even more. Is it blackmail? Probably. But as Rodion so eloquently put it in Clue...

How do you get to use your stock piled information? As above you stated that if we try and screw you over and lynch you, you quite possibly will send the GF all of your withheld information. But as the post below reads that each night 1 action has to go to the King (afterwards stated HOTK) and 1 post needs to go to the GF, you can either keep 1 for yourself or send it to either side. By rereading your claim you did not make mention on how you could possibly use the information you with hold? By your post above I would guess that anytime you can resend as much information gathered to either side of your choosing?

Easy. When he gets to L-"x" he can write everything on the thread.

"By the way, mafia, since town is killing me I'll let you know that:
a) N1 report sent to HotK
b) N1 report I kept to myself
c) N2 report sent to HotK
d) N2 report I kept to myself"

Exactly.

[Bleed_Green]

safariguy5 wrote: Well, this is really on town if they end up falling behind. Remenber, I have no stake in steering a town victory. I will say that if town is falling behind, then I will consider not revealing power roles to mafia, as they're probably not real concerned with which townie they kill as long as townies are dying. But like I said, if town does decide to try and lynch me later on, I will still have information I've stockpiled to release and potentially hurt town even more. Is it blackmail? Probably. But as Rodion so eloquently put it in Clue...

How do you get to use your stock piled information? As above you stated that if we try and screw you over and lynch you, you quite possibly will send the GF all of your withheld information. But as the post below reads that each night 1 action has to go to the King (afterwards stated HOTK) and 1 post needs to go to the GF, you can either keep 1 for yourself or send it to either side. By rereading your claim you did not make mention on how you could possibly use the information you with hold? By your post above I would guess that anytime you can resend as much information gathered to either side of your choosing?

Easy. When he gets to L-"x" he can write everything on the thread.

"By the way, mafia, since town is killing me I'll let you know that:
a) N1 report sent to HotK
b) N1 report I kept to myself
c) N2 report sent to HotK
d) N2 report I kept to myself"

Exactly.

So if that is the case if he gets through today the information that he starts to collect we cannot trust him.. if it looks like mafia is going to win or are pretty close potentially he could just do the above.. we could play the other hand that he could do the same for the town but the risk reward on this I do not really like those odds and I am a gambling man

[safariguy5]

safariguy5 wrote: Well, this is really on town if they end up falling behind. Remenber, I have no stake in steering a town victory. I will say that if town is falling behind, then I will consider not revealing power roles to mafia, as they're probably not real concerned with which townie they kill as long as townies are dying. But like I said, if town does decide to try and lynch me later on, I will still have information I've stockpiled to release and potentially hurt town even more. Is it blackmail? Probably. But as Rodion so eloquently put it in Clue...

How do you get to use your stock piled information? As above you stated that if we try and screw you over and lynch you, you quite possibly will send the GF all of your withheld information. But as the post below reads that each night 1 action has to go to the King (afterwards stated HOTK) and 1 post needs to go to the GF, you can either keep 1 for yourself or send it to either side. By rereading your claim you did not make mention on how you could possibly use the information you with hold? By your post above I would guess that anytime you can resend as much information gathered to either side of your choosing?

Easy. When he gets to L-"x" he can write everything on the thread.

"By the way, mafia, since town is killing me I'll let you know that:
a) N1 report sent to HotK
b) N1 report I kept to myself
c) N2 report sent to HotK
d) N2 report I kept to myself"

Exactly.

So if that is the case if he gets through today the information that he starts to collect we cannot trust him.. if it looks like mafia is going to win or are pretty close potentially he could just do the above.. we could play the other hand that he could do the same for the town but the risk reward on this I do not really like those odds and I am a gambling man

Yes, but if you lynch me today, then you waste a lynch and give mafia free NK. If I were town, hope you get some good mafia lynches and that the HOTK uses the information wisely.

[chapcrap]

I have to agree with Bleed and Talapus on this one. And the way that naxus keeps trying to keep him alive and just ignore the threat by basically saying 'oh well' doesn't sit well with me either.

The problem is, I don't want mafia to get any info. The odds of town hitting a scum on day 1 or 2 are very low. by day 3, we'll be down to 14 people (saf, 5? scum, and 8? town). If we don't hit with on one of the first 2 days, we're screwed and he helps mafia and we can't afford to waste a lynch on him, so we have to go after someone else, keeping him alive and letting him give even more info to the mafia. If we keep him alive, our odds are not good of winning the whole game. I think we just need to get rid of him now.

vote saf
FoS naxus

[safariguy5]

I have to agree with Bleed and Talapus on this one. And the way that naxus keeps trying to keep him alive and just ignore the threat by basically saying 'oh well' doesn't sit well with me either.

The problem is, I don't want mafia to get any info. The odds of town hitting a scum on day 1 or 2 are very low. by day 3, we'll be down to 14 people (saf, 5? scum, and 8? town). If we don't hit with on one of the first 2 days, we're screwed and he helps mafia and we can't afford to waste a lynch on him, so we have to go after someone else, keeping him alive and letting him give even more info to the mafia. If we keep him alive, our odds are not good of winning the whole game. I think we just need to get rid of him now.

vote saf
FoS naxus

I suppose mafia are thanking you for a free nightkill then. You're praying they don't guess right and hit someone important right?

And naxus wasn't the only one, edoc also thinks I could be useful. Again, it all depends on how your HoTK uses the information.

[pancakemix]

What is wrong with you guys? I've already stated why lynching safari is a waste of time. Generally, a lynch is supposed to get rid of something that is absolutely hurtful to town. I will admit, this could go either way but you certainly aren't doing us any favors with saf right now. We will get something out of this and I don't expect him to throw his weight one way or the other immediately. Again, I would rather leave this to the discretion of the vig, should they exist.

But for right now, Unvote Vote Chap for being what I consider to be counter intuitive.

[safariguy5]

What is wrong with you guys? I've already stated why lynching safari is a waste of time. Generally, a lynch is supposed to get rid of something that is absolutely hurtful to town. I will admit, this could go either way but you certainly aren't doing us any favors with saf right now. We will get something out of this and I don't expect him to throw his weight one way or the other immediately. Again, I would rather leave this to the discretion of the vig, should they exist.

But for right now, Unvote Vote Chap for being what I consider to be counter intuitive.

Yeah, we've already established that I can't make up night actions (since it's mod filtered) and I have to send a night action to each side every night. So town is getting information too. And might I add that the HoTK probably doesn't know who the other power roles are (unless there's a mason faction or two) and information like that is probably going to be useful to town as well.

[edocsil]

If the town gets info from the nights it can only be to our advantage. This may be very useful in hunting down fake claims and it would be foolish to waste it early in the game.

[naxus]

What is wrong with you guys? I've already stated why lynching safari is a waste of time. Generally, a lynch is supposed to get rid of something that is absolutely hurtful to town. I will admit, this could go either way but you certainly aren't doing us any favors with saf right now. We will get something out of this and I don't expect him to throw his weight one way or the other immediately. Again, I would rather leave this to the discretion of the vig, should they exist.

But for right now, Unvote Vote Chap for being what I consider to be counter intuitive.

If the town gets info from the nights it can only be to our advantage. This may be very useful in hunting down fake claims and it would be foolish to waste it early in the game.

I agree with both of these. It's just BS that we have wasted this much time on Safari.

@Chap I'm defending safari because he's a wildcard that's going to survive until the end of the game(Vig/SK not acting on him). We are just wasting day 1 arguing about him when we should be trying to find scum. Vote Chapcrap for trying to keep us on this