Mafia Mafia [Endgame] *wolf struck! Town/SK win!*

[kwanton]

Yep. I agree 100% with talapus. Not only is this a very lame way of going about a mafia game (I really don't like playing the system to win), we open ourselves up to get screwed by entrusting so much power with one person. And another thing, VS said "traditional (as in, all roles/powers you're familiar with)". It's the part in quotes that gets me. Its like he's implying traditional doesn't mean traditional in the sense of cop/doc/roleblock/vanilla etc but it can just mean roles we've previously seen. In fact, a death cult won one of VS's previous games. It's a role that's been seen before and I'm "familiar" with it.

But since everyone else is on board I'll send in my pm. And rod did ask nicely this time (instead of threatening a 5 minute ultimatum )

[kwanton]

I vote we don't lynch me.

But it's been such a long time since I've been able to lynch you Kwan.....maybe I've forgotten how to...lol

hehe. every once in a while I come back out of retirement

[jonty125]

@VS The 1st post need updating.

[Rodion]

Unvote.

Vote tml as he didn't claim yet.

[Rodion]

But since everyone else is on board I'll send in my pm. And rod did ask nicely this time (instead of threatening a 5 minute ultimatum )

It's not like I enjoy being a dick, but you have to understand my concern that if I give people time to breath they might ask the mod for some fakeclaims and the mod could give them, so by giving you a lot of time to answer I could be allowing the strategy to fail. Hence the 5-minute nazi thing. Sorry.

If everyone makes good claims, I'll have to trust more those that gave them immediately and suspect those that took too long to provide an answer.

Anyway, I suggest pressure on TML now.

[AdmiralGaal]

Also I'm going to throw an FOS out ther on AdmiralGaal...Admiral you obviously didn't even bother to look in VS's other thread that I am sure is similar to this game...I still fully disagree with as much power as you have all given Rod and truly hope it doesn't come back to bite us all in the butt. But, too late now. Rod knows I don't like how much power you have intrusted to him as I'm said so in multiple PM's. Nothing against him, I just don't trust the mod which he is aware.

One last PM to Rod as he asked nicely and honestly it seems like everyone is on board with this whole plan. Don't agree with it, but will go along.

FOS for not reading a separate game? Haha, that's the lamest excuse for an FOS I've ever heard. I didn't even know that game existed, but even so, why on earth would it be my responsibility to read the whole darn thing? lol

You are in-fricking-sane. First of all, rodion is townie, and I am town, and Rodion cleared me, so from my point of view, since he's on my side, and he supports me, then I love him. Of course from your point of view you don't trust him, because you're scum. IF YOU ARE TOWN, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GO AGAINST RODION, IT WILL HELP US AND YOU. Seriously, it looks like a fair number of us have been cleared and then there's a few rebels. Looks like an easy line between town and scum there. I know you say you're going along with this at the end there, but naturally, that's just a cover up. You realized people are suspecting you and/or you needed time to think up some good cover story. At any rate, you've earned my vote. I'm pretty sure it's already on you, but just in case, Unvote, Vote Tally. My opinion may change depending on what rod says about the validity of your claim, but I completely distrust you for distrusting him. I also may change votes if we need more to lynch someone, because there's a number of you that seem quite obviously scummy to me who I'd have no problem lynching.

[Rodion]

After we get TML's claim we can release all decryption passwords. For some reason I'm unable to decrypt them, but I'm sure there will be several townies that can aid in that regard.

[tml]

Alright, I sent Rodion the PM so you can all see how unMafia I am.

[Rodion]

Unvote.

Alright. I can now confirm that the town's win condition is known by at least 11 players, something incompatible with a game that has at least 3 mafia. It's possible that Victor aided the mafia with fakeclaims or that the mafia simply changed their win condition, replacing mafia for town and keeping the rest (the part about all threats being eliminated) untouched.

Anyway, we still have the encryption passwords. Let's all release them so we can check the old win conditions of those that posted back at the time. If they only learned how to tailor their win cons later, it's possible that those decryptions will tell us.

Right now we have 11 town claims, 1 SK claim and 1 survivor claim.
We also have 3 mod claims (1 survivor + 2 town) and 1 player that didn't claim his name.

I still need TML to claim the rest of his knowledge (name and power), but my suggestion for a lynch would be Nagerous with the hammer made by Shield (just to be safe in case there is a mafia bomb in the game, although that is unlikely).

[shieldgenerator7]

I'd be honored to hammer nag.

[lalaland]

About win conditions, I don't have PMs from any of the other games the VS has modded, but can anybody confirm/deny if he always words his win conditions the sam way?

[Talapus]

Also I'm going to throw an FOS out ther on AdmiralGaal...Admiral you obviously didn't even bother to look in VS's other thread that I am sure is similar to this game...I still fully disagree with as much power as you have all given Rod and truly hope it doesn't come back to bite us all in the butt. But, too late now. Rod knows I don't like how much power you have intrusted to him as I'm said so in multiple PM's. Nothing against him, I just don't trust the mod which he is aware.

One last PM to Rod as he asked nicely and honestly it seems like everyone is on board with this whole plan. Don't agree with it, but will go along.

FOS for not reading a separate game? Haha, that's the lamest excuse for an FOS I've ever heard. I didn't even know that game existed, but even so, why on earth would it be my responsibility to read the whole darn thing? lol

You are in-fricking-sane. First of all, rodion is townie, and I am town, and Rodion cleared me, so from my point of view, since he's on my side, and he supports me, then I love him. Of course from your point of view you don't trust him, because you're scum. IF YOU ARE TOWN, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GO AGAINST RODION, IT WILL HELP US AND YOU. Seriously, it looks like a fair number of us have been cleared and then there's a few rebels. Looks like an easy line between town and scum there. I know you say you're going along with this at the end there, but naturally, that's just a cover up. You realized people are suspecting you and/or you needed time to think up some good cover story. At any rate, you've earned my vote. I'm pretty sure it's already on you, but just in case, Unvote, Vote Tally. My opinion may change depending on what rod says about the validity of your claim, but I completely distrust you for distrusting him. I also may change votes if we need more to lynch someone, because there's a number of you that seem quite obviously scummy to me who I'd have no problem lynching.

Well thanks for making it obvious to all that you skim. As I have posted in previous posts it might be a good idea to glance at VS's other thread. The fact that you couldn't be bothered and buy everything Rod is saying is a joke. The fact that Rod cleared you means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Cleared you based off of what exactly? A role PM you sent him? Because for all we know you made it up. Second. Rod is dead, I'll say that one more time so it sinks in. DEAD! Now rod honestly has no reason what so ever to play this game anymore or help town or scum. So, why should I believe everything he says? More importantly, why should you? He can do whatever the heck he likes and help out whomever he chooses. Because he's no longer in this game he has no role and no rules governing his actions. That is one of several reasons I think it's a complete joke how much power many of you decided to give him. Is he going to screw us all over, I have no idea, but the fact that you think he is completely protown because his character died is BS. HE IS DEAD, NO LONGER PLAYING. So explain to me exactly what about this you don't understand?

Admiral, I really don't know how else to say this to make you understand. At this point in time you think because he died a townie his word is gold and he has nothing but the best intentions for us all. Rod will read this, he knows I have serious issues with this whole idea. And if he's honest about it and thinks about it I'm sure he'll agree that all my points are more than valid. Just because we have more freedoms in this game then others, it does not mean we should use them like this. If Rod were still in this game and someone else had died and mentioned a plan like what we are doing, I am sure Rod would be one of the players saying this isn't the best idea. You apparently aren't thinking at all for yourself because you are letting Rod play the game for you blindly trusting everything he says. So, please explain what proof you have that Rod's actions are the best for the rest of us. Because as I see it, you have absolutely none. More to the point your above post pretty much sums up that what Rod says goes in your opinion and that pretty much means he's playing the game for you. So, consider the points I made and realize I want you to play the game yourself or get replaced. The last thing we need in a game with so few players is someone like you blindly following a player no longer in the game, no longer aligned, and with no way what so ever to prove what he is saying. That is why I have a problem with all of this!

[shieldgenerator7]

But Tal, Rodion still wins with town despite being dead.

[Talapus]

But Tal, Rodion still wins with town despite being dead.

Oh good lord, really shield? tThe mods last game was made or broken off of one shot abilities. I played in it and it was crazy. I have absolutely no way of knowing Rod will stay sided with town or care either way. I truly don't undertsand this whole philosophy. You guys are willing to blindly follow a player and not think for yourselves. So why play? I just don't understand this line of thinking at all. On top of which there is honestly no point to playing a game when one player is apparently going to make all the decisions for you. Thats' fine, you guys enjoy.

VS PLEASE REPLACE ME ME!

Victor can get a player in here that will go along with the rest of you and not questions anything. I'll step down. Sorry VS, fun idea, but I'm out.

[Rodion]

The fact that Rod cleared you means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Cleared you based off of what exactly? A role PM you sent him? Because for all we know you made it up. Second. Rod is dead, I'll say that one more time so it sinks in. DEAD! Now rod honestly has no reason what so ever to play this game anymore or help town or scum. So, why should I believe everything he says? More importantly, why should you? He can do whatever the heck he likes and help out whomever he chooses. Because he's no longer in this game he has no role and no rules governing his actions. That is one of several reasons I think it's a complete joke how much power many of you decided to give him. Is he going to screw us all over, I have no idea, but the fact that you think he is completely protown because his character died is BS. HE IS DEAD, NO LONGER PLAYING. So explain to me exactly what about this you don't understand?

Admiral, I really don't know how else to say this to make you understand. At this point in time you think because he died a townie his word is gold and he has nothing but the best intentions for us all. Rod will read this, he knows I have serious issues with this whole idea. And if he's honest about it and thinks about it I'm sure he'll agree that all my points are more than valid. Just because we have more freedoms in this game then others, it does not mean we should use them like this. If Rod were still in this game and someone else had died and mentioned a plan like what we are doing, I am sure Rod would be one of the players saying this isn't the best idea.

I'm not a survivor, I'm a townie. That means that, even dead, I still win if the town wins. I think your point of discrediting me (and using Victor's Quickie Maf to back your case) is pretty weak. You're basically thinking there is a recruiter that can recruit dead people (like a necromancer) and that I'll use all the knowledge I gathered to betray the town when that happens. It doesn't matter how absurd Quickie Mafia was, Victor did say he'd only use roles we're all familiar with in this game and I certainly never heard of a role that can recruit dead players (dead players don't vote and have no night actions).

[Rodion]

Vote Nagerous.

[kwanton]

Actually as I've said Victor has used a death cult before ( I think it was rolegift mafia). The cult leader remained hidden throughout the whole game and town never knew that dead people were being recruited until the game ended. It's not "traditional" exactly but Victor said by traditional he means roles we've seen before and death cult is definitely a role I've seen before.

[Haggis_McMutton]

Guys, it's not binary.

We don't either trust or distrust Rodion, it's always a combination.
Since he died today as town, the only way he's non-town right now is if his alignment changes immediately upon death or he has some sort of alternate win condition. It seems more likely than not that he is town for now at least.

Either way, we obviously shouldn't just "do what he says", but, for better or worse he has everyone's claims. It would be ridiculous not to make use of him and them. Even if a dead scum player had everyone's claims, if he was posting in the thread we could still get very valuable info from him.

Anyway, someone claimed Fir? Am I missing something here? How can Fir be town?

[AdmiralGaal]

Also I'm going to throw an FOS out ther on AdmiralGaal...Admiral you obviously didn't even bother to look in VS's other thread that I am sure is similar to this game...I still fully disagree with as much power as you have all given Rod and truly hope it doesn't come back to bite us all in the butt. But, too late now. Rod knows I don't like how much power you have intrusted to him as I'm said so in multiple PM's. Nothing against him, I just don't trust the mod which he is aware.

One last PM to Rod as he asked nicely and honestly it seems like everyone is on board with this whole plan. Don't agree with it, but will go along.

FOS for not reading a separate game? Haha, that's the lamest excuse for an FOS I've ever heard. I didn't even know that game existed, but even so, why on earth would it be my responsibility to read the whole darn thing? lol

You are in-fricking-sane. First of all, rodion is townie, and I am town, and Rodion cleared me, so from my point of view, since he's on my side, and he supports me, then I love him. Of course from your point of view you don't trust him, because you're scum. IF YOU ARE TOWN, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO GO AGAINST RODION, IT WILL HELP US AND YOU. Seriously, it looks like a fair number of us have been cleared and then there's a few rebels. Looks like an easy line between town and scum there. I know you say you're going along with this at the end there, but naturally, that's just a cover up. You realized people are suspecting you and/or you needed time to think up some good cover story. At any rate, you've earned my vote. I'm pretty sure it's already on you, but just in case, Unvote, Vote Tally. My opinion may change depending on what rod says about the validity of your claim, but I completely distrust you for distrusting him. I also may change votes if we need more to lynch someone, because there's a number of you that seem quite obviously scummy to me who I'd have no problem lynching.

Well thanks for making it obvious to all that you skim. As I have posted in previous posts it might be a good idea to glance at VS's other thread. The fact that you couldn't be bothered and buy everything Rod is saying is a joke. The fact that Rod cleared you means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! Cleared you based off of what exactly? A role PM you sent him? Because for all we know you made it up. Second. Rod is dead, I'll say that one more time so it sinks in. DEAD! Now rod honestly has no reason what so ever to play this game anymore or help town or scum. So, why should I believe everything he says? More importantly, why should you? He can do whatever the heck he likes and help out whomever he chooses. Because he's no longer in this game he has no role and no rules governing his actions. That is one of several reasons I think it's a complete joke how much power many of you decided to give him. Is he going to screw us all over, I have no idea, but the fact that you think he is completely protown because his character died is BS. HE IS DEAD, NO LONGER PLAYING. So explain to me exactly what about this you don't understand?

Admiral, I really don't know how else to say this to make you understand. At this point in time you think because he died a townie his word is gold and he has nothing but the best intentions for us all. Rod will read this, he knows I have serious issues with this whole idea. And if he's honest about it and thinks about it I'm sure he'll agree that all my points are more than valid. Just because we have more freedoms in this game then others, it does not mean we should use them like this. If Rod were still in this game and someone else had died and mentioned a plan like what we are doing, I am sure Rod would be one of the players saying this isn't the best idea. You apparently aren't thinking at all for yourself because you are letting Rod play the game for you blindly trusting everything he says. So, please explain what proof you have that Rod's actions are the best for the rest of us. Because as I see it, you have absolutely none. More to the point your above post pretty much sums up that what Rod says goes in your opinion and that pretty much means he's playing the game for you. So, consider the points I made and realize I want you to play the game yourself or get replaced. The last thing we need in a game with so few players is someone like you blindly following a player no longer in the game, no longer aligned, and with no way what so ever to prove what he is saying. That is why I have a problem with all of this!

The reason I trust him is because I know for completely sure that I'm town, and he cleared me. He wouldn't clear me if he was against the town. Now obviously you don't trust that I''m town, so you can't be as sure as me, but I am. The reason you don't trust him is because he would have you destroyed with your true claim in his hands. This argument is getting out of hand, but to me, because I know who I am, it's pretty simple.

[Commander9]

The reason I trust him is because I know for completely sure that I'm town, and he cleared me. He wouldn't clear me if he was against the town. Now obviously you don't trust that I''m town, so you can't be as sure as me, but I am. The reason you don't trust him is because he would have you destroyed with your true claim in his hands. This argument is getting out of hand, but to me, because I know who I am, it's pretty simple.

You do realize that your reasoning is completely faulty, right? If he was scum, he would of course not blame all town players - he'd just pick a few and clean the others.

[Rodion]

The reason I trust him is because I know for completely sure that I'm town, and he cleared me. He wouldn't clear me if he was against the town. Now obviously you don't trust that I''m town, so you can't be as sure as me, but I am. The reason you don't trust him is because he would have you destroyed with your true claim in his hands. This argument is getting out of hand, but to me, because I know who I am, it's pretty simple.

You do realize that your reasoning is completely faulty, right? If he was scum, he would of course not blame all town players - he'd just pick a few and clean the others.

Commander is right here: you can't trust me simply because I trust you.

You can trust me because I was killed and flipped "/, town cop". That is enough reason to trust me unless there are weird roles out there like the "death cult" (which I've never heard about). And even if there are, I should be town until he uses his N1 action, no?

Anyway, someone claimed Fir? Am I missing something here? How can Fir be town?

Just vote Nagerous. He claimed Fircoal. His death should reveal a lot.

Just allow Shield to hammer (he's willing to), in the off chance Nagerous is a "mafia bomb godfather".

[Haggis_McMutton]

Anyway, someone claimed Fir? Am I missing something here? How can Fir be town?

Just vote Nagerous. He claimed Fircoal. His death should reveal a lot.

Just allow Shield to hammer (he's willing to), in the off chance Nagerous is a "mafia bomb godfather".

There's no rush as of yet.

Why the hell would he claim Fir, I don't get it.
Also, I assume Talapus claimed "Nag", lover with the above?

Nag, anything to say?

[jonty125]

Why the hell would he claim Fir, I don't get it.

Maybe a jester?

But didn't sheild claim SK or summat like that.

[nagerous]

Vote nagerous

I'm done with this one victor, nice experiment but it doesn't work - or I could just hack everyones posts above me with my supermod powers and get someone lynched. For that is in the rules no?

[kwanton]

Vote nagerous

I'm done with this one victor, nice experiment but it doesn't work - or I could just hack everyones posts above me with my supermod powers and get someone lynched. For that is in the rules no?

QFT

Vic, this might work as an RT with short deadlines so people can't coordinate as well. Fun idea but not quite workable yet. It's just having no rules opens the game up to winning by abusing the structure rather than winning by playing the game. Clever ideas by haggis and rodion but that kinda took the fun out of it for me.

If there is a way to do a no-rules game but prevent the players from coordinating to keep them mostly in the dark about other's roles then it would be a pretty fun game.

Well anyway

vote nagerous