Egypt free?

[Pirlo]

Not to mention nobody is organized over there. Nobody except for.....the Muslim Brotherhood.

Speaking of the Muslim Brotherhood,here is part of their plan for North America (from page 21, the first 14 pages are Arabic but the English translation continues after that):

Understanding the Role of the Muslim Brotherhood in North America

The process of settlement is a "Civilization-Jihadist Process" and all the word means. The
Ikhwan [Arabic for brothers] must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad to eliminate and destroy the Western civilization from within, and sabotage its miserable house by their hands and the hands of the believers, so that it is eliminated, and God's religion is made victorious over all other religions.

Without this level of understanding, we are not up to the challenge and have not yet prepared ourselves for Jihad. It is a Muslim's destiny to perform Jihad and work wherever he is and wherever he lands until the final hour comes, and there is no escape from that destiny except for those who choose to slack. But, would the slackers and the Mujahedeen be equal.

and who said Muslim Brotherhood will definitely rule?

obviously, Egyptians will elect their government and president.. they are the only people who have the right to decide who will preside their country, no?

nobody knows who will be elected... but i can tell you that egypt is sick and tired of any religion-based poison.... until 11th of February, the GLORIOUS DAY, both the big two jerks (clerk #1 of muslims and clerk #1 of christians) were supporting the bastard Mubarakola. does this tell you how corrupt they are? does it tell you how they blindly follow that asshole regardless of any religion they are supposed to serve and/or teach?

oh btw, not to defend the Ikhwan because I don't even know work for, but that text stuff you quote looks so old and disgusting,I think they edited it several times.. I suggest you search for the most recent edition.

- Andrea the Charmer

[Pirlo]

So, hmm, the CIA removed the only guy in Egypt who likes us. Dammit, I got fooled again. Thanks, saxi!

Oh yawn, why do I bother ... tomorrow you'll be bedazzled by some new revolution in Iran or wherever with photogenic, blue jeans-wearing youthful revolutionaries using Twitter or Facebook or some new Web 2.0 platform needing a market - all in perfect English, of course - or American Idol, etc.

It was reported as late as 2008 that Mubarak was terminally ill and the U.S. was frightened of a power-vacuum after he died.
http://www.aei.org/article/29065

Egypt's octogenarian president, Hosni Mubarak will soon depart the scene either of his own volition or following his inevitable death or disability. Should Gamal end up succeeding his father, such an approach would leave U.S. options between a rock and a hard place.

(date of article: 2008)

Now a US-backed military dictatorship is running the country and there's no fear of Gamal Mubarak taking-over a shaky regime.

Spontaneous people's revolt. LOL. Wanna buy a bridge?

1) If they is all smoothly going so well for the CIA and/or Mossad (from now on, the CIAsad, or Ciasad), then how are they going to broker power to their enemies, the Muslim Brotherhood without pissing off the majority (or really, enough people)?

2) And, aren't you still basing this on the assumption that this is a Ciasad-engineered coup? Don't you think you're overestimating their ability to shape the politics in this country?

If you see smoke there's probably a fire.

Everything about this, from the photogenic, made-for-TV images, to the "spontaneous" throngs that materialized overnight is identical to Serbia 2000. If I'd said Serbia 2000 was a CIA-backed event people would have dismissed me with a wave and a laugh, pointing eagerly at their Tee-Vee screens and the "youth movement" running about, using "non-violent" tactics to confront jack-booted riot police, repleat with pre-Twitter slice-of-life story lines neatly packaged by CNN.

Three years later we got definitive proof (though most westerners paid it no heed) that the "Serbian youth movement" was raised and organized by CIA force-multipliers and all the Americans cheering their TV screens at the scenes from Belgrade had been played as fools by the Clinton-Bush regime. But, by then, they were all busy guffawing over the inaugural season of The Office and sexing their cousins. Simple pleasures for simple people.

Egypt 2011 was a giant, made-for-TV movie that resulted in a pro-American military dictatorship led by Don Rumsfeld's old cohort, Field Marshal Mo Tantawi, as El Supremo. But, made-for-TV movies - especially a classic Hollywood underdog-slays-the-bully storyline - sells well to glassy-eyed westerners.

you are funny

are you telling us that CIA can do anything anytime just like that?

did they know about 11th of September attack and let it happen? or maybe they were in vacation on that Tuesday?

oh wait, what if they did the attack to get an excuse to rape the world?

last question: are CIA trying to spread and extend this revolution to overthrow like 15 jerks ( aka dictators) in various countries?

[Ray Rider]

and who said Muslim Brotherhood will definitely rule?

No one did. I think you're hearing things.

obviously, Egyptians will elect their government and president.. they are the only people who have the right to decide who will preside their country, no? nobody knows who will be elected... but i can tell you that egypt is sick and tired of any religion-based poison.... until 11th of February, the GLORIOUS DAY, both the big two jerks (clerk #1 of muslims and clerk #1 of christians) were supporting the bastard Mubarakola. does this tell you how corrupt they are? does it tell you how they blindly follow that asshole regardless of any religion they are supposed to serve and/or teach?

No that isn't obvious; that is what we would like to believe, but the fact of the matter is that the army has the power and will have the deciding role in what the next ruling party will be.

"Nobody for the first two weeks wanted to say there weren’t just two alternatives in Egypt, Mubarak or the Brotherhood. There were three alternatives—Mubarak, the Brotherhood, and the army which really rules Egypt.

Egypt has been controlled by the army since 1952. In certain kinds of countries the military takes over because it’s the only stable force. But in other countries the army is more ideological. Some of the armies in these latter countries develop a political ideology that I and a few other people have called the concept of the “army-party,” meaning the army acts as though it were a political party. It’s not simply a matter of a military dictatorship or a regime based on a militaristic or fascist party, and it’s not always necessarily an ideological phenomenon, but the army acts as a political party. It acts as a political force, and it acts as a political arbiter.

So it’s not a question of Mubarak or the Brotherhood. The army will not, I think, permit the Brotherhood to take power, but the army will shuffle things in some ways. There may not be much of a change at all. When Mubarak said he wouldn’t run in the next election, well, the election is seven months away. How do we know there will be an election?
....
I’m for democracy throughout the world. I want bourgeois democracy everywhere. I’m an activist for it, but I’m also cautious about euphoria. I think a lot of people have been swept away by hope in the Egyptian case. They think this is the beginning of the great Arab transformation, but they don’t notice that there are few political alternatives in Egypt. There’s no labor-based party. There’s no bourgeois party. There are no parties representing particular social and economic interests.

The most important point, in my view, is that Iran and Saudi Arabia are two countries where democratization, or, at least, popular sovereignty, means leaving Islamist ideology behind. The problem with Egypt is that democratization, to a certain extent, represents a leap into the void. The Egyptians haven’t yet learned about Islamist ideology, through experience, what the Saudis and especially the Iranians have learned. We don’t want them to have to learn it.
--Stephen Schwartz, director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism

oh btw, not to defend the Ikhwan because I don't even know work for, but that text stuff you quote looks so old and disgusting,I think they edited it several times.. I suggest you search for the most recent edition.

And if you had taken the time for even a cursory reading of the document, you would have seen on the second English page: "An Explanatory Memorandum On the Strategic Goal for the Group in North America, May 22, 1991." If you have more recent edition, I'd love to check it out, but this isn't something they normally publicize...

[Mr_Adams]

oh btw, not to defend the Ikhwan because I don't even know work for, but that text stuff you quote looks so old and disgusting,I think they edited it several times.. I suggest you search for the most recent edition.

And if you had taken the time for even a cursory reading of the document, you would have seen on the second English page: "An Explanatory Memorandum On the Strategic Goal for the Group in North America, May 22, 1991." If you have more recent edition, I'd love to check it out, but this isn't something they normally publicize...

Ya, you don't generally publicize your desire to end other world cultures...
To much backlash from we "prejudice" "Muslim haters".

[BigBallinStalin]

So, hmm, the CIA removed the only guy in Egypt who likes us. Dammit, I got fooled again. Thanks, saxi!

Oh yawn, why do I bother ... tomorrow you'll be bedazzled by some new revolution in Iran or wherever with photogenic, blue jeans-wearing youthful revolutionaries using Twitter or Facebook or some new Web 2.0 platform needing a market - all in perfect English, of course - or American Idol, etc.

It was reported as late as 2008 that Mubarak was terminally ill and the U.S. was frightened of a power-vacuum after he died.
http://www.aei.org/article/29065

Egypt's octogenarian president, Hosni Mubarak will soon depart the scene either of his own volition or following his inevitable death or disability. Should Gamal end up succeeding his father, such an approach would leave U.S. options between a rock and a hard place.

(date of article: 2008)

Now a US-backed military dictatorship is running the country and there's no fear of Gamal Mubarak taking-over a shaky regime.

Spontaneous people's revolt. LOL. Wanna buy a bridge?

1) If they is all smoothly going so well for the CIA and/or Mossad (from now on, the CIAsad, or Ciasad), then how are they going to broker power to their enemies, the Muslim Brotherhood without pissing off the majority (or really, enough people)?

2) And, aren't you still basing this on the assumption that this is a Ciasad-engineered coup? Don't you think you're overestimating their ability to shape the politics in this country?

If you see smoke there's probably a fire.

Everything about this, from the photogenic, made-for-TV images, to the "spontaneous" throngs that materialized overnight is identical to Serbia 2000. If I'd said Serbia 2000 was a CIA-backed event people would have dismissed me with a wave and a laugh, pointing eagerly at their Tee-Vee screens and the "youth movement" running about, using "non-violent" tactics to confront jack-booted riot police, repleat with pre-Twitter slice-of-life story lines neatly packaged by CNN.

Three years later we got definitive proof (though most westerners paid it no heed) that the "Serbian youth movement" was raised and organized by CIA force-multipliers and all the Americans cheering their TV screens at the scenes from Belgrade had been played as fools by the Clinton-Bush regime. But, by then, they were all busy guffawing over the inaugural season of The Office and sexing their cousins. Simple pleasures for simple people.

Egypt 2011 was a giant, made-for-TV movie that resulted in a pro-American military dictatorship led by Don Rumsfeld's old cohort, Field Marshal Mo Tantawi, as El Supremo. But, made-for-TV movies - especially a classic Hollywood underdog-slays-the-bully storyline - sells well to glassy-eyed westerners.

you are funny

are you telling us that CIA can do anything anytime just like that?

did they know about 11th of September attack and let it happen? or maybe they were in vacation on that Tuesday?

oh wait, what if they did the attack to get an excuse to rape the world?

last question: are CIA trying to spread and extend this revolution to overthrow like 15 jerks ( aka dictators) in various countries?

It's interesting to think about...

Events like the Color Revolutions that spread from Ukraine to Central Asia were strange, and there were legitimate rumors of the American IC having something to do with it.

Then we got all this great coverage of Egypt's revolution, and following the events that lead to it, while comparing the strategies used in other revolutions, one can see a similarity.

I'm not saying that the CIA or Mossad is with all certainty involved, but they've definitely the resources and the proper incentives to do so. That can't be denied.

[BigBallinStalin]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/20114921821599558.html

"Clashes erupt around Cairo's Tahrir Square"

Protesting kicked up again when the people started demanding to have Mubarak tried now, so security forces came in and broke it up, and it may repeat and get uglier.

It's interesting how the Military Junta is failing to deliver, and instead are seemingly becoming as oppressive as the formerly deposed dictator.

[saxitoxin]

It's interesting how the Military Junta is failing to deliver, and instead are seemingly becoming as oppressive as the formerly deposed dictator.

Didn't a commenter in these forums say that was going to happen? What was his name again?

[Woodruff]

It's interesting how the Military Junta is failing to deliver, and instead are seemingly becoming as oppressive as the formerly deposed dictator.

Didn't a commenter in these forums say that was going to happen? What was his name again?

It's not exactly a surprising outcome. It's quite similar to an abused child growing up to be an abuser...even when the abused child knows all of the negatives of that behavior, they do it because "it's what they know". Very few times does a takeover of this fashion not result in such a situation. Sudan back before oil was discovered there was one.

[spurgistan]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/20114921821599558.html

"Clashes erupt around Cairo's Tahrir Square"

Protesting kicked up again when the people started demanding to have Mubarak tried now, so security forces came in and broke it up, and it may repeat and get uglier.

It's interesting how the Military Junta is failing to deliver, and instead are seemingly becoming as oppressive as the formerly deposed dictator.

I think it might be worth mentioning that it's really hard to put dictators on trial. The amount of deposed dictators who've received anything like a decent trial (whether proven innocent or guilty) is pretty damn low. How long did it take them to get Fujimori? Or Pinoshit?
Hell, we can't even get a decent trial of Bush, and we're supposed to live in America.

[BigBallinStalin]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/20114921821599558.html

"Clashes erupt around Cairo's Tahrir Square"

Protesting kicked up again when the people started demanding to have Mubarak tried now, so security forces came in and broke it up, and it may repeat and get uglier.

It's interesting how the Military Junta is failing to deliver, and instead are seemingly becoming as oppressive as the formerly deposed dictator.

I think it might be worth mentioning that it's really hard to put dictators on trial. The amount of deposed dictators who've received anything like a decent trial (whether proven innocent or guilty) is pretty damn low. How long did it take them to get Fujimori? Or Pinoshit?
Hell, we can't even get a decent trial of Bush, and we're supposed to live in America.

What's preventing the execution from happening (or from having a "fair" trial for a man who has a clear history of being oppressive) is that Mubarak has high friends within the military and judicial systems. They're loyalists, and if they don't cut ties with Mubarak quickly, then they'll become the next target for the people's anger.



Bush is something different... One would think with all the checks and balances that that one man can't be held solely responsible, so one has to find certain neo-cons as the culprits. The problem is that it's extremely difficult to prove--especially since Bush and his policies aren't nearly as oppressive as Mubarak's in relation to their own citizens.

[saxitoxin]

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2011/04/20114921821599558.html

"Clashes erupt around Cairo's Tahrir Square"

Protesting kicked up again when the people started demanding to have Mubarak tried now, so security forces came in and broke it up, and it may repeat and get uglier.

It's interesting how the Military Junta is failing to deliver, and instead are seemingly becoming as oppressive as the formerly deposed dictator.

I think it might be worth mentioning that it's really hard to put dictators on trial. The amount of deposed dictators who've received anything like a decent trial (whether proven innocent or guilty) is pretty damn low. How long did it take them to get Fujimori? Or Pinoshit?
Hell, we can't even get a decent trial of Bush, and we're supposed to live in America.

Mubarak wasn't deposed. He was rotated out of the lineup.

That's the reason it's hard to put dictators on trial.

Unfortunately that's not supported by the west's narrative that is pumped into western school children minds. Just like the western media don't dare question why all the Libyan rebels are armed with brand-new, out-of-the-box FN FAL rifles. Seriously - google image search "Rifle" + "Libyan Rebel' and see how many are holding brand new NATO-standard FALs. Then google news search "FN FAL" + "Libya" and note zero results. If you wait for the western media to tell you the truth you'll be waiting a long time indeed.

There's a country out there that needs a regime change. You're living in it.

[puddytat]

Egypt free? I'm not so sure that they are.

[Phatscotty]

They are throwing bloggers in prison for criticizing the military?

DEMOCRACY TAKES TIME!

[Phatscotty]

Five weeks after the fall of Egypt, Ayman Anwar Mitri's apartment was torched. When he should up to investigate his prooperty, he was bundled inside by the bearded Islamists.

Mr. Mitri is a Christian. The Islamists accused him of having rented his apartment (which at the time of the razing was unoccupied) to loose Muslim women.

Inside the apartment, they beat him with the charred remains of his own furniture, and then cut off his ear with a box cutter. "When they were beating me they kept saying 'We won't leave a single Christian in this country'"

read more at the Wall Street Journal

[Pirlo]

Five weeks after the fall of Egypt, Ayman Anwar Mitri's apartment was torched. When he should up to investigate his prooperty, he was bundled inside by the bearded Islamists.

Mr. Mitri is a Christian. The Islamists accused him of having rented his apartment (which at the time of the razing was unoccupied) to loose Muslim women.

Inside the apartment, they beat him with the charred remains of his own furniture, and then cut off his ear with a box cutter. "When they were beating me they kept saying 'We won't leave a single Christian in this country'"

read more at the Wall Street Journal

I heard crime rate in egypt raised by 200% due to lack of security and government.

Mitri's cut ear

[BigBallinStalin]

P.S. within 6 months Gen. Ham of the United States Afrikorps Africa Command will announce he is relocating his flag from Stuttgart to Tripoli.

After all, why have a UCC named "Africa" when it's headquartered in Germany?

Trust me, I'll be as right about this as I was back when I said within 6 months Egypt will still have a military dictatorship running things (someone dig up that old thread; "Oh goodness no, Saxi! They will have a wonderful, shining democracy soon!")

Regarding Egypt, what was the alternative? Had votes been held immediately afterward, the Brotherhood would've quashed any "pro-democratic" organization. It would've most likely been similar to Iran's 1979 Revolution.

This military junta does provide pro-liberal democratic groups more time to develop their organizational skills, which would actually give people a better option than living under a Islamic Republic like Iran.