EQUAL RIGHT FOR ALL MAP AUTHORS

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 5:57 pm

Molacole if you dont erase these in 4 i will contact Andy to do something with these. In map foundry you can not insulting people who not insulting you, and if you got something against me go in some other place not in my topic.
Wisse you have so many old topic who not lock, and like Andy explain, he lock topic when hes got nothing with Map foundry

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:24 pm

Hehe you should have asked Molacole to speak to you in Serbian qwert!

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:31 pm

Should be moved to flame wars.

Ruben Cassar · Post by **Ruben Cassar** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 6:34 pm

Guiscard wrote:Should be moved to flame wars.

I agree with Robert (Guiscard) on this one.

abbiem · Post by **abbiem** » Thu Mar 29, 2007 9:34 pm

cassar and guiscard both wrong.....THis is a valid discussion....Because some idoit comes a long and starts flaming why should you move topic to flame wars....

The elite group who this thread is aimed at....where are they

ClessAlvein · Post by **ClessAlvein** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:53 am

boberz wrote:can i assume all this is correct and nobody has any issues with this whatsoever

It's pretty much right, but qwert is not acting on the will of the foundry at large. Regarding blurring the WWII map's edges, he made an unfair poll in which the options are NO, YES, and a thinly disguised NO, and right now the YES option is winning, despite his sabotage. He still won't change the borders. Why? Because "other maps are bad." Well, if you're a cook and you see that some other restaurants have crappy food, you don't start making crappy food and then get mad at the customers for not eating at your restaurant.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 1:18 am

qwert wrote:Molacole if you dont erase these in 4 i will contact Andy to do something with these. In map foundry you can not insulting people who not insulting you, and if you got something against me go in some other place not in my topic.
Wisse you have so many old topic who not lock, and like Andy explain, he lock topic when hes got nothing with Map foundry

ok its al your choise

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 5:37 am

Cless, have you been reading the posts from the beginning of qwerts map or just the last 3 pages....

Qwert has said he will do what the will of the majority want. In a democracy the will of the majority always prevails!!!!!!!!!!

And as for you r comparisons abouting eating at a retaurant..WHAT THE f*ck!!!

How old are you?

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 8:29 am

hulmey wrote:Cless, have you been reading the posts from the beginning of qwerts map or just the last 3 pages....

Qwert has said he will do what the will of the majority want. In a democracy the will of the majority always prevails!!!!!!!!!!

And as for you r comparisons abouting eating at a retaurant..WHAT THE f*ck!!!

How old are you?

Its a perfectly good comparison Hulmey. Sometimes I wonder how old you are. The fact that you can't see how slanted the current poll is, and that you don't seem to grasp the fundemental foundry process say a lot. Its not a simple 'go with the majority'. It works more subtly than that. Even if one person suggests something, as long as you can't see a valid reason for it to be kept the same you have a duty to at least give it a try. 'I've made enough changes already' isn't a good enough reason. If Qwert can't actively justify why having jagged borders is better then he should change them. it shouldn't have got anywhere near a vote. In my Mongol map at the moment I have the same issue. I didn't think the borders were jagged, but Andy asked me to go through and smooth them over. I've done that where I can see they are less than perfect because I don't have a justified argument in keeping it the same. Now when he (or others) comment again they may ask me to go over some other areas. And I will. Sure I'd like it to be quenched now but we're working for the good of a community here not just my own personal glory. I always have the option of abandoning it. This process worked fine for the Arctic map, Australia map, the Chinese Checkers map, King of the Mountains... All of which got quenched after passing through the foundry properly. There's no quick way. All of those people made every change they could when people suggested them unless they could present a valid argument against it.

cassar and guiscard both wrong.....THis is a valid discussion....Because some idoit comes a long and starts flaming why should you move topic to flame wars....

The elite group who this thread is aimed at....where are they

Probably staying away in a mature and sensible way, unlike me :wink:

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:56 am

the poll is slanted but i dont understand why (and yes i have followed all his topics including the WW1 topic) as to why qwert doesnt just change it . I am told that it is easy it definately does not look worse and even his own twisted poll shows atleast 30 people wanting a change

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:31 am

boberz wrote:the poll is slanted but i dont understand why (and yes i have followed all his topics including the WW1 topic) as to why qwert doesnt just change it . I am told that it is easy it definately does not look worse and even his own twisted poll shows atleast 30 people wanting a change

Exavtly. Childishness.

ClessAlvein · Post by **ClessAlvein** » Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:52 am

hulmey wrote:Cless, have you been reading the posts from the beginning of qwerts map or just the last 3 pages....

I've followed the entire thread, from the beginning to when he made the poll and to now when he's waffling over Urkanian/Russian romanizations. I don't see how you have any reason to think otherwise.

Qwert has said he will do what the will of the majority want. In a democracy the will of the majority always prevails!!!!!!!!!!

Great. 53% want the borders blurred. Let's do it.

And as for you r comparisons abouting eating at a retaurant..WHAT THE f*ck!!!

If you don't understand, here's a wikipedia article that could possibly shed some light: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metaphor

How old are you?

And a second, to help you make somewhat more sensible posts: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 6:30 am

Well chess, i dont need some yankee cousin telling me how to speak my own language...Proper English, not that homey or dawg bullshit you speak.

I know exactly what your failed restaurant comparison is all about!!!

Maybe you want to brush up onyour dry sacarsm abit..The english are quite good at it...Maybe you would like to pop over to my house for a couple of tea and a few lessons.

However we are making maps not freakin dining!!

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:04 am

hulmey that deserved to go in flame wars as well but from now on can we stay on the issue not qwert maps but the general rules and equality of ythe foundry

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:08 am

These topic have conection with map foundry, and people who insult in these topic, are broke rules.

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 9:18 am

yes i agree qwert. what are your viewson the current rules/expectations of the foundry

ClessAlvein · Post by **ClessAlvein** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 11:40 am

hulmey wrote:Well chess, i dont need some yankee cousin telling me how to speak my own language...Proper English, not that homey or dawg bullshit you speak.

I know exactly what your failed restaurant comparison is all about!!!

Maybe you want to brush up onyour dry sacarsm abit..The english are quite good at it...Maybe you would like to pop over to my house for a couple of tea and a few lessons.

However we are making maps not freakin dining!!

Well, clearly my attempt at English is no match for your superior ability to debate and make a fine point relevant to the topic. I guess you didn't read the article on ad hominem attacks because you already understand their usage so well!

As for the borders issue, a majority has voted on blurring the borders. Will you change it now? There's really no point just going on by principle at this point.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:23 pm

Like i say before, every mine poll last 7-10 day and i will wait to bee same like others poll equal time.

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 12:44 pm

Guiscard wrote:[ Its not a simple 'go with the majority'. It works more subtly than that. Even if one person suggests something, as long as you can't see a valid reason for it to be kept the same you have a duty to at least give it a try. 'I've made enough changes already' isn't a good enough reason.

I think this is a bit off. It may apply to game play factors which are less subjective than a persons personal aesthetic taste. If one person said "I don't like the font" the map maker shouldn't have a duty to try out different fonts until that person is satisfied. If there are multiple requests for the same change, well thats different. But if a mapmaker acted on everyones request all the time that's akin to pleasing 100% of the people 100% of the time, and player A likes font Y and player B likes font Z, you have created conflict.

I think the 'burden of proof' should be on the requester to provide a reason 'beyond a reasonable doubt' that the change should be made and in the good of the community. Well, perhaps thats excessive, but it should be the mapmakers job to be the requesters bitch.

Ofcourse this has nothing to due with Qwert or his maps, of which I care nothing about.

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:20 pm

does the 'i think it would look better reason count' i realy think that if you want to make a map you should be prepared to make loads of changes that may be disasterous and totally ruin the map as long as they have been tried nobody can complain, a 90 page thread with pixely borders which several people pointed out and a map maker not wanting to eve make the 15 minute change, that is a bit sily. He has the right to abandon at any time but just to ignore comments on a wider scale i think it is right that people like andy get a vetoe over the foundry otherwise unknowledgable people would come in and vote without understanding the circumstances

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:23 pm

veto=dictaorship

Maybe a foundry board is what is needed here....

5 members and 1 chairman (ANDY)

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:25 pm

Another thing.....Andy hasnt even commented on mibi's SIEGE MAP yet.

How come??? I find that very strange!!!

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:31 pm

perhaps he does not need to seeing as there is plenty of comments coming in and he does have a life he does not need to be the most involved poster for every map. NO COMITEE. nothing ever gets done in a comitee i dare you to go to any commitee from a locall tennis club to the EU and find a positive, they all dont take quick and decisive action any knows what he is doing and doe sit well the process works so long as people are prepared to work o their maps.

Qwert · Post by **Qwert** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:42 pm

well when mibi complete satisfy all desire of people, then will Andy kick hes brain with something minor thing.
i must say that rule of 1 man is also not good, you can apply all of majority, but when andy say something, then he dont care what majority say, you must do what he say, these like dictatorship, becouse before andy, nobody comlain whit my borders shape. But andy start mutiny and now i must for all litle things to put vote poll.

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Sat Mar 31, 2007 3:49 pm

the majority CAN be wrong it is very rare andy goes against majority and he has not in your threads but when he does it is through knowledge and experience only he and a few others have i certainly dont which is why i trust his decision on many things.

EQUAL RIGHT FOR ALL MAP AUTHORS

DO YOU THINK THAT ALL AUTHORS MUST HAVE SAME RIGHT