High school boy refuses to wrestle girl opponent

[patches70]

Really?

Convicted?

If this is true it's nutty.

You got a link?

Anyone know what a "butt drag" is??? Is it common? Is it an illegal move?

Opps, no, not convicted, but he was expelled.
http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0geumgA ... butt-drag/

The prosecutors eventually dropped the charges, since the butt drag is apparently a legal wrestling move. It appears as the expulsion was not redacted.

http://search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0geumgA ... e-dropped/

It is disturbing he was charged in the first place, since basically if you get on the wrestling mat you are agreeing to pain and sometimes humiliation of having fingers shoved into places you would not normally want.

The butt drag is when the wrestler grabs a butt cheek, rams a finger or two in the anus for leverage in an effort to flip, change position, whatever. I wonder what they call the move where the boy wrestler jams two fingers in the vagina of the female wrestler? How about a couple of fingers in the girls anus?
Yes, the butt drag is, apparently, a legal wrestling move.

[gdbudman]

Hey I would wrestle her but she was to ugly

[PLAYER57832]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/High-school-wrestler-defaults-against-girl-and-loses-chance-at-state-title-021711/?GT1=39002

I just found this upon loading up my IE, the homepage is MSN.com. Interesting.

Good for him. I wrestled for 8 years, and I would refuse too. I would be furious at the people who let her join.

It's called the law in many states.

See, we live in a world where you don't get to decide that you get to exclude someone from an activity or job just because they are a woman (or a man, for that matter).

Don't like it? DEAL! Its not 1950 any longer.
As for the religious issue. People have many prohibitions due to religion. That is their right, as long as they don't extend it to prohibiting other people from doing as they wish.

The guy has every right to refuse, but not to dictate how a tournament or competition is run.

[muy_thaiguy]

I do hope some people realize that hitting and striking is not allowed in this kind of wrestling? Some throws, yes, but they're not exactly high risk unless you're doing greco-roman wrestling. The "throws" are mainly take downs that even little kids can do safely without hurting eachother.

[Timminz]

Hey! I signed up to grope other men. What's she doing here?

[Woodruff]

THIS IS NOT ABOUT BEING AFRAID TO HIT A GIRL

ITS ABOUT GROWING UP TO THE TEACHING "DO NOT HIT A GIRL"

I didn't say anything about not being afraid to hit a girl. However...perhaps you missed the whole "You don't hit each other in wrestling" part?

You guys do know he didn't wrestle her for religious reasons, right? Do you guys also know that she accepted this explanation?

Which really doesn't follow, to be quite honest. If you're thinking about what your hands are doing during a wrestling match, you've already lost the match.

This is a lose/lose situation for the boy.

To a degree, yes. "Lose to a girl" and you take a LOT of shit. "Beat a girl" and it's so what. I get that. By the same token, that's not the girl's fault.

I need not remind anyone that just a few weeks ago another high school wrestler was convicted of sexual assault against another wrestler during a match. He did something called a "butt drag" or something or other, and it seems the other wrestler took offense to it.

You do need to remind me...I had not heard anything about this. I would LOVE to hear the rationale that allowed him to be convicted if it was a legal wrestling move...got a link? (Link provided later in the thread...thanks!)

That kid will have to put his hands all over that girl's tits, ass, crotch.

As I said above...If you're worried about what your hands are doing during a wrestling match, you've already lost.

This kid has to wrestle a female. If he wins, what does he win? He beat a girl.

Oh, so beating a girl in sports is somehow less valuable than beating a boy?

To high school boys? Sure...absolutely. Do you really question that?

Really?
Convicted?
If this is true it's nutty.
You got a link?
Anyone know what a "butt drag" is??? Is it common? Is it an illegal move?

The name itself doesn't mean anything to me, but different moves have different names in different regions of the country. I can't picture any move that fits that name, though.

The butt drag is when the wrestler grabs a butt cheek, rams a finger or two in the anus for leverage in an effort to flip, change position, whatever.

I can honestly say I have NEVER heard of that move in all my years of participating and following wrestling. That's a new one to me. I am actually quite surprised it's considered a legal move...maybe because it's just too hard for the ref to see exactly where the fingers are?

[thegreekdog]

I guess my point is "who cares" if the girl who he was supposed to wrestle says she accepts his excuse?

Granted, Andy may have my head for saying "who cares" in a thread that doesn't have to do with politics.

[natty dread]

This kid has to wrestle a female. If he wins, what does he win? He beat a girl.

Oh, so beating a girl in sports is somehow less valuable than beating a boy?

To high school boys? Sure...absolutely. Do you really question that?

Objection! Hearsay!

Seriously though, no, I don't question that. But just because high school boys behave in a certain way, is no reason to encourage such behaviour. If people just keep thinking "well they're just high school boys, of course they behave that way" then attitudes will never be changed...

It's kind of the same argument when you're against adoption for homosexuals, because "the kids will get bullied in school because their parents are gay"...

(I'm not saying that you are, just using it as an example.)

[40kguy]

http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/High-school-wrestler-defaults-against-girl-and-loses-chance-at-state-title-021711/?GT1=39002

I just found this upon loading up my IE, the homepage is MSN.com. Interesting.

maybe cuz he didn't want to hurt her. or maybe he was just socially awkward.

[Juan_Bottom]

I'm going to camp with the people who said it was stupid that he defaulted on this one. This is why religion is the blackest, most pure evil. Or whatever.


And about the butt drag, WTF is wrong with you guys even considering the pros and cons of it? If I were wrestling and my opponent stuck a finger in my anus I would drive my knuckles straight through his nose (no comment if it were a girl). Now, whether it's a legal wrestling move or not, I'm sure that state law supersedes that anyway.

[Aradhus]

"We believe in ... the respect of woman"

Sure he does. Like respectfully not respecting her decision to wrestle because you've some archaic retarded perception of who she should be, regardless of who she is.

Respec', ponce.

[The Bison King]

Yes, the butt drag is, apparently, a legal wrestling move.

I think that this get's at the real heart of the issue. Wrestling a girl would be dangerously close to makeing the sport heterosexual. He probably declined the match to maintain the sports deep Greek heritage of man love.

[QoH]

Some call that chivalrous, I call it simply rude and small minded. That girl had to train hard to get there, harder I would bet then any of the guys who were there. It was her decision to get into a martial sport like wrestling and to deny a person a chance to fight? IMO the guy should be treated like he did that in my sport of choice, fencing. If he pulled a stunt like that on a fencing strip he would have been kicked from the tournament, and if I was a high level tournament, barred from retuning for a set length of time. I have no idea how that girl ended up doing in the tournament, but no matter how well she did the boy left her victories hollow, as she was not given the opportunities to earn her standing in the tournament.

Piss poor sportsmanship on the boys part.

Except... in fencing tournaments (my choice sport as well) its always gender separated...

[thegreekdog]

Yes, the butt drag is, apparently, a legal wrestling move.

I think that this get's at the real heart of the issue. Wrestling a girl would be dangerously close to makeing the sport heterosexual. He probably declined the match to maintain the sports deep Greek heritage of man love.

Hey, we used to wrestle naked! Where's the heritage now? Phillistines...

[hotfire]

He wasn't being chivalrous he was just afraid that he was gong to pop a boner during the match. He came up with the moral excuse to avoid embarrassment.

yup..if she was hot it would be easy and if she wasnt hot...it would be even more embarassing if it happened

[Juan_Bottom]

I don't want to talk about his anymore.

[edocsil]

Some call that chivalrous, I call it simply rude and small minded. That girl had to train hard to get there, harder I would bet then any of the guys who were there. It was her decision to get into a martial sport like wrestling and to deny a person a chance to fight? IMO the guy should be treated like he did that in my sport of choice, fencing. If he pulled a stunt like that on a fencing strip he would have been kicked from the tournament, and if I was a high level tournament, barred from retuning for a set length of time. I have no idea how that girl ended up doing in the tournament, but no matter how well she did the boy left her victories hollow, as she was not given the opportunities to earn her standing in the tournament.

Piss poor sportsmanship on the boys part.

Except... in fencing tournaments (my choice sport as well) its always gender separated...

Wrong. Any Open is going to be a mixed event. NACs and Nationals are always separated but many USFA meets are mixed events, especially if there are not likely going to be enough women for them to have 2 pools to determine seeding.

Nothing is worse then having to eliminate your GF round 1 in the Direct Eliminations. THAT is a lose lose scenario.

[Timminz]

Nothing is worse then having to eliminate your GF round 1 in the Direct Eliminations. THAT is a lose lose scenario.

Better her than yer wife.

[john9blue]

Look at the ones here that disapprove of the boy's decision and would probably force him to wrestle if they had their way. I love how it's the same people that think they know everything. They have mostly the same religious and political beliefs too. "We know what is right and your freedom to make your own decisions and follow your own religion isn't important to us." Fucking pathetic.

[john9blue]

This kid has to wrestle a female. If he wins, what does he win? He beat a girl.

Oh, so beating a girl in sports is somehow less valuable than beating a boy?

Above age 10, yes. I'm politically incorrect but I also have a knowledge of basic human anatomy. Funny how that works.

[Timminz]

Deriding someone for making an ignorant decision is not the same as forcing someone to make an educated choice, but I guess I can see how a simpleton might think so.

[PLAYER57832]

Look at the ones here that disapprove of the boy's decision and would probably force him to wrestle if they had their way.

Nice try at turning it backwards. No one forces the boy to wrestle, at all.. THAT is the point. He can decide not to participate. THAT is his choice But, he cannot tell someone else they have to stay out.

See, here is the problem. Today, he gets to decide that he won't wrestle women. Tommorrow, he decides he won't work with women. THAT truly is a problem.

[john9blue]

See, here is the problem. Today, he gets to decide that he won't wrestle women. Tommorrow, he decides he won't work with women. THAT truly is a problem.

That's his loss. He won't be able to find a job at most places. Why would we care? There are people that won't eat animal products, and people who won't work on Sunday. How is this any different?

[PLAYER57832]

This kid has to wrestle a female. If he wins, what does he win? He beat a girl.

Oh, so beating a girl in sports is somehow less valuable than beating a boy?

Above age 10, yes. I'm politically incorrect but I also have a knowledge of basic human anatomy. Funny how that works.

You apparently need more than a basic knowledge, then.

Because while on average, men are stronger, etc than women, it is absolutely NOT true on an individual basis. If it were, there would be no issue, because all the girls would be too weak to even compete. This is a "problem" (at least for some guys) because some women actually can out-compete them..be it in sports or jobs.

But, hey, go be like my old supervisor and decide the answer is to berate the women for "making the men look weak" . I am not joking.. I was told this. He claimed that I was endangering the men on my crew because they felt they had to keep up with me. Note, I am 5'2' tall, at the time weighed about 115 pounds.

[PLAYER57832]

See, here is the problem. Today, he gets to decide that he won't wrestle women. Tommorrow, he decides he won't work with women. THAT truly is a problem.

That's his loss. He won't be able to find a job at most places. Why would we care?

Because its not HIS loss, because too many of us women have to deal with guys like him.. even today. They may be our bosses or just our coworkers. If it gets bad enough, sure there is court, complaint processes, etc. However, far better that the boys learn these lessons before they get to be men.

There are people that won't eat animal products, and people who won't work on Sunday. How is this any different?

[/quote]
These are not general, universal job requirements. Most vegetarians won't choose to be butchers, but if they do, they have to cut the meat. (though not eat it). Many companies just don't work on Sundays. However, if they do, then usually its not optional. In most situations, if you are told to work on Sunday, you have to do so. The law might ostentiably protect workers in many cases (not all, by any means!), but it is easy to get around that. Amazing how people companies don't want to have working tend to be all "incompetent" all of a sudden.