krchada wrote:The Devil deceived Eve into eating the fruit of the forbidden tree. For ur info, the Devil was not created with an intention to be evil either. He was originally Lucifer, an angel of light & then he rebelled against God wanting to be god himself & so he was cast into Hell by God & cursed..
But God made Lucifer himself, with his own hands. And God knows the future. So he had to have created him as Evil if the Devil is evil.
The same goes for Adam and Eve. If God made each one of them with his own hands, and he knows the future, then technically God made them eat the fruit. And it wasn't the Devils fault for doing what God made him do too.
Haggis_McMutton wrote:
Ah, it's been too long since one of these guys has posted on here.
Oh, he'll learn. I've always wondered why a God with infinite power needs warriors at all. It doesn't make sense. I don't see how it could make sense to other people either.
dijxtra wrote:I tought we are talking about him punishing us for sins of Adam and Eve. So, is he punishing us for their sin or not?
Why doesn't God remove those genes and attributes? If I was a loving father and a good shepherd, I'd remove those genes right away and there would be end to sinand suffering! But no, he decided he'll just leave it there and punish us when we do what is in our genes and attributes. I'll tell you why he does that: because he doesn't love us. A loving father would do everything for his children to stop suffering.
Uf, some plan he devised there! Instead of removing sin with one move of his finger, he decided to kill his own son (who is also him) in cold blood, and do that AFTER people existed for thousands of years. He decided it is just fine that more than half of people who ever lived on Earth should not hear about his plan. Instead he could just whipe the Devil and sin from face of Earth whenever he wishes. But nooooo, he won't do it. Why? Because he Yahweh is an evil god.
The punishments to the sins of Adam & Eve would have no effect on future generations if the future generations stopped sinning, which never happened & never will due to all of us possessing their nature of sin..
Like I said before we are not robots or animals for God to remove sins & do with us as He pleases. He gave us free will to think like Him. We have to make a choice on our own to accept His grace & mercy and take His help to get forgiveness for them first & then deliverance from them.
So u do think that God has the power to remove whatever with one move of finger. At least u acknowledge that. And u also acknowledge God has the power to destroy the Devil. Considering all that, I must say I don't know exactly why the Devil & sin is still prominent with us & how people were saved before Jesus. God has His own time for all good things & His time is always right since His ways are far above our ways. I can speculate & say that Devil is allowed to do his limited evil he does for a set time so people can look towards God & His goodness by comparison..I can also speculate & say that God spoke out before Jesus to many people like He did to Abraham but only a few people like him, Noah, etc responded to him positively. All I know is I serve (unlike u think) a very Just & loving God who knows it all & is all powerful. I leave it in His hands the rest of all the mysteries which I may not understand until I get to my home in Heaven with Him.
dijxtra wrote: So, talibans who preach that all westerners should be killed because God says so are preaching the Truth because he wants to share it with all the loved ones & many more? And my grandma hallucinated because she kept quiet. Interesing idea, I say. But, you know that talibans are saying that God wants you killed and if that is the Truth, then God doesn't love you man!
Talibans are Islamic terrorists who believe their false god allah is going to give them 7 or 17 virgins when they get to heaven for killing unbelievers of their religion or faith..LOL..how pervert can a religion be..LOL..No muslim goes around preaching the kuran, they go around either killing non muslims or say nothing..Thank God ur gma wasn't a milky terrorist..
Neoteny wrote:Lol your ancestors were made from dirt.
Correction..dust..from dust we come & to dust we all go..so what ur point..clay, minerals & many other resources come from the Earthly dust we have..God used dust to mold human beings physical attributes..thats more plausible an explanation than a monkey turned into ape & then a human..come on..lol..
dijxtra wrote: So, talibans who preach that all westerners should be killed because God says so are preaching the Truth because he wants to share it with all the loved ones & many more? And my grandma hallucinated because she kept quiet. Interesing idea, I say. But, you know that talibans are saying that God wants you killed and if that is the Truth, then God doesn't love you man!
Talibans are Islamic terrorists who believe their false god allah is going to give them 7 or 17 virgins when they get to heaven for killing unbelievers of their religion or faith..LOL..how pervert can a religion be..LOL..No muslim goes around preaching the kuran, they go around either killing non muslims or say nothing..Thank God ur gma wasn't a milky terrorist..
Uh.... Islam was around a lot longer than Christianity... ANd really, Jesus was a Jew... so Judaism is older than Christianity. CHristianity is a relatively new religion that basically steals ideas from Judaism...
krchada wrote:
Neoteny wrote:Lol your ancestors were made from dirt.
Correction..dust..from dust we come & to dust we all go..so what ur point..clay, minerals & many other resources come from the Earthly dust we have..God used dust to mold human beings physical attributes..thats more plausible an explanation than a monkey turned into ape & then a human..come on..lol..
Uh huh... I take great comfort that I"m a dirt man... ANd since we are all created in god's image, why do we all look different?
Ah, it's been too long since one of these guys has posted on here.
The dude literally believes in LOTR style battles between angels and demons
Did Satan like duel with god during this battle? What classes are they? I bet Satan's a sorceror. I wonder what level god is ...
Its funny how u refer to satan in caps & God is small letters..That shows clearly that satan is ur god & u fear & worship him. So why u laughing..at least u should know ur friends, the demons exisit.. just to remind how they look..vs how our friends look.. Take care..and may God bring u out of the mess u r in for ur own souls sake..
Neoteny wrote:Lol your ancestors were made from dirt.
Correction..dust..from dust we come & to dust we all go..so what ur point..clay, minerals & many other resources come from the Earthly dust we have..God used dust to mold human beings physical attributes..thats more plausible an explanation than a monkey turned into ape & then a human..come on..lol..
Lol.. I mean rly descent w/ mods is so much more plausible than magic dirts... did the muslim god build his man out of sticks??? And the scientologist god built his man out of bricks??? I'd spit on satan as soon as i'd spit on any of your other magic men... I don't fear or worship any men or gods or angels or demons because they are imaginary... you are afraid of imaginary tyrants... lol
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Juan_Bottom wrote:But God made Lucifer himself, with his own hands. And God knows the future. So he had to have created him as Evil if the Devil is evil. The same goes for Adam and Eve. If God made each one of them with his own hands, and he knows the future, then technically God made them eat the fruit. And it wasn't the Devils fault for doing what God made him do too.
Haggis_McMutton wrote: Ah, it's been too long since one of these guys has posted on here.
Oh, he'll learn. I've always wondered why a God with infinite power needs warriors at all. It doesn't make sense. I don't see how it could make sense to other people either.
God knows ur good & ur bad future..depending on what ur choices are in ur life. There are multiple predestines for each individual, not just one. Out of all ur predestinations, only one is the straight & narrow way to Heaven & to God. Only knowing Jesus will get u on that path. Adam & Eve made a choice & if they made the right choice, the future for them & us also would ve been much different. Just like we all live the consequences of our mistakes & sins in life, so also the angel of light became a demon or a devil.
Oh yeah I ve learnt alright..most of the members in this forum are anti-Christ just like their master, satan, the devil. Remember this though, this is just one of the forums & for every one of u guys, there is 2 of us.. just like for every one demon, there are 2 Angels of God. Why do u need a family or a son or a wife or anyone at all..the same reason God needs us..He wants to be loved too as much as He loves us..And a warrior does not mean I am being depended upon..I just choose to fight along side him since its an honor to do so..though like u said, my God who has infinite power truly does not need me to do so..He is like a loving Father who lets His son do the talking on his behalf & sits back & feels proud of him even though all along the Father could have done the same talk plus more..
Neoteny wrote:Lol.. I mean rly descent w/ mods is so much more plausible than magic dirts... did the muslim god build his man out of sticks??? And the scientologist god built his man out of bricks??? I'd spit on satan as soon as i'd spit on any of your other magic men... I don't fear or worship any men or gods or angels or demons because they are imaginary... you are afraid of imaginary tyrants... lol
Oh so meditation to one of those dead people referred to as god like Shiva in ur signature column one of those imaginary tyrants..LOL..who u kidding pal? Spit at all of them for all I care but watch out before u do the same at the one true God who even breathed life into u & can take it away in an instant if He so chooses to. Because of His grace & mercy u r even able to resist Him & talk bad about Him..Dont mess with fire since it can burn u..My prayer for u though is to accept & surrender to that one true God before its too late for u & ur soul.
QoH wrote:ACtually, according to you, all other religions have a falso God... so i'd say we outnumber you more than 2-1...
U make no sense at all..no one was talking about battle & war between people here..Read all posts before u reply..And yes I think all gods are either false, man-made or demons except for Yahweh or Yeshuah, who is the one & only True God of this Universe.
QoH wrote:ACtually, according to you, all other religions have a falso God... so i'd say we outnumber you more than 2-1...
U make no sense at all..no one was talking about battle & war between people here..Read all posts before u reply..And yes I think all gods are either false, man-made or demons except for Yahweh or Yeshuah, who is the one & only True God of this Universe.
Well... I've read every post in this thread, and cracked up the entire time.
I never said shit about battles and wars... I said that 'atheists and believers of false gods' outnumber you holiest-of-holy poeple MORE than 2-1, contrary to what you said
krchada wrote:God knows ur good & ur bad future..depending on what ur choices are in ur life. There are multiple predestines for each individual, not just one. Out of all ur predestinations, only one is the straight & narrow way to Heaven & to God.
But if that were true, then God isn't truly all-knowing.
krchada wrote:
QoH wrote:ACtually, according to you, all other religions have a falso God... so i'd say we outnumber you more than 2-1...
U make no sense at all..no one was talking about battle & war between people here..Read all posts before u reply..And yes I think all gods are either false, man-made or demons except for Yahweh or Yeshuah, who is the one & only True God of this Universe.
Pretty obvious that he means that including all the people who worship other Gods, we outnumber you. And even in the Bible's history, there have been admissions of other God's. The Jews, specifically Isaiah II wanted the Jews to only pay attention to the Jewish God of War, Yahweh, in order to get his help to conquer their enemies. So he edited portions of what became the Bible with things like "you should have no God's before me." But in the Bible's history, these Gods are all equal to Yahweh. He was just the most demanding and violent.
Ah, it's been too long since one of these guys has posted on here.
The dude literally believes in LOTR style battles between angels and demons
Did Satan like duel with god during this battle? What classes are they? I bet Satan's a sorceror. I wonder what level god is ...
Its funny how u refer to satan in caps & God is small letters..That shows clearly that satan is ur god & u fear & worship him. So why u laughing..at least u should know ur friends, the demons exisit.. just to remind how they look..vs how our friends look.. Take care..and may God bring u out of the mess u r in for ur own souls sake..
Damn, he's onto us guys.
Unfortunately I sold my soul for a DVD a long while ago, oh well.
But seriously, the fact that people like not only still exist, but actually live in a civilized enough environment to have access to the internet is fascinating. I mean if you were part of one of those lost tribes in the amazon, singing your songs to the rain gods and what not you'd at least have an excuse. How did the educational system manage to fail you so utterly that you don't posses even the most basic reasoning capabilities? Were you home schooled by any chance?
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Neoteny wrote:Lol.. I mean rly descent w/ mods is so much more plausible than magic dirts... did the muslim god build his man out of sticks??? And the scientologist god built his man out of bricks??? I'd spit on satan as soon as i'd spit on any of your other magic men... I don't fear or worship any men or gods or angels or demons because they are imaginary... you are afraid of imaginary tyrants... lol
Oh so meditation to one of those dead people referred to as god like Shiva in ur signature column one of those imaginary tyrants..LOL..who u kidding pal? Spit at all of them for all I care but watch out before u do the same at the one true God who even breathed life into u & can take it away in an instant if He so chooses to. Because of His grace & mercy u r even able to resist Him & talk bad about Him..Dont mess with fire since it can burn u..My prayer for u though is to accept & surrender to that one true God before its too late for u & ur soul.
Ha that's in my sig as a joke, dude... all magic men are just as ridiculous as shiva... how am I supposed to tell which is the true god when I'm spitting? They all say the same stupid things. I'm not afraid of your petty magics... Breathe life into me? That's not worth worship... the way you talk about satan makes me think u fear him more than you fear ur magician friend.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
Juan_Bottom wrote:But God made Lucifer himself, with his own hands. And God knows the future. So he had to have created him as Evil if the Devil is evil. The same goes for Adam and Eve. If God made each one of them with his own hands, and he knows the future, then technically God made them eat the fruit. And it wasn't the Devils fault for doing what God made him do too.
Haggis_McMutton wrote: Ah, it's been too long since one of these guys has posted on here.
Oh, he'll learn. I've always wondered why a God with infinite power needs warriors at all. It doesn't make sense. I don't see how it could make sense to other people either.
God knows ur good & ur bad future..depending on what ur choices are in ur life. There are multiple predestines for each individual, not just one. Out of all ur predestinations, only one is the straight & narrow way to Heaven & to God. Only knowing Jesus will get u on that path. Adam & Eve made a choice & if they made the right choice, the future for them & us also would ve been much different. Just like we all live the consequences of our mistakes & sins in life, so also the angel of light became a demon or a devil.
Oh yeah I ve learnt alright..most of the members in this forum are anti-Christ just like their master, satan, the devil. Remember this though, this is just one of the forums & for every one of u guys, there is 2 of us.. just like for every one demon, there are 2 Angels of God. Why do u need a family or a son or a wife or anyone at all..the same reason God needs us..He wants to be loved too as much as He loves us..And a warrior does not mean I am being depended upon..I just choose to fight along side him since its an honor to do so..though like u said, my God who has infinite power truly does not need me to do so..He is like a loving Father who lets His son do the talking on his behalf & sits back & feels proud of him even though all along the Father could have done the same talk plus more..
Dude...all this stuff you are saying...even the hardcore fundamentalist Christians that I know/have known would call you a nutjob. Your beliefs and ideas are contrary to the majority of Christians. Why do you even bring this crap up? Do you enjoy making yourself look like a fool and a whackjob? Cuz you're succeeding!
Naw, I actually like this guy because his views are wholly separate from the majority of Christians. While they have been "modernized" for lack of a better term, he maintains a belief in the literal Bible. I find that refreshing.
Juan_Bottom wrote:Naw, I actually like this guy because his views are wholly separate from the majority of Christians. While they have been "modernized" for lack of a better term, he maintains a belief in the literal Bible. I find that refreshing.
Well, it's definitely different. But I find it to be even more annoying/dangerous/stupid than Christians who don't interpret the bible literally. Just my thoughts.
krchada wrote:First, no u don't understand me completely. If u did, u wont argue back with some lame stuff I must say on top of it..lol..Agree that people all around the world made so many things, people, powers of nature, etc gods & they still do..like Mother nature is one of the gods for u all evolution believers whether u all will accept it consciously on not..movies stars or celebrities are also gods or idols for many people now..money is worshiped by a lot of people too..so whats new in that..thats why God says worship only me in Truth & in Spirit. Yeshuah or Yahweh our Salvation is the only Creator & the only true God of all.
Sooooo, what is then the difference between you who believe in a god because you can't explain how universe was created and those pagan who believed in gods because they coudln't explain how fire/wind/tsunami was created? i didn't quite get your answer to that question, so if you can explain that to me. What is the difference between you and ancient greeks who believed in Hephaestus, Boreas or Poseidon? Why are you right and they are wrong?
dijxtra wrote:Why? Why are there just this two options? Why is everything you don't understand automatically assigned to a god? Why can't you say "I don't know how everything got here."? Why does it rain? Dunno, something to do with humidity and stuff. But, the fact that I don't know doesn't mean rain god sent it.
Its the same and as simple as picking good or bad..if u leave gray areas in picking or not picking God, it will just turn into many gods just like that god for everything scenario u keep mentioning..lol..
That doesn't answer my question: if you don't understand something, why does that mean that God did it? What does it have to do with good or bad? I'm asking you a simple question: why is God responsible for everything you don't understand? What if it turns out there is a perfectly reasonable explanation, and you were just ignorant to call it God's work?
just to remind how they look..vs how our friends look.. 
Take care..and may God bring u out of the mess u r in for ur own souls sake..
