Thailand

[RedBaron0]

Quick question, is that one airport really named, "Phuket?"

How about a small map, how are we coming on that front?

[grifftron]

Quick question, is that one airport really named, "Phuket?"

How about a small map, how are we coming on that front?

Phuket is the name of the province..Phuket International Airport is the name for the actual airport i believe.

I can get a small map up anytime, what do you mean coming on that front?

[grifftron]

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[RedBaron0]

Well.... the small map is a requirement to moving up and we haven't seen it yet. And now it's here, and the font hasn't transferred very well, it's very unreadable in spots. And really have you just shrunk the large version down? It's pretty pixelly in more than a few spots. You really can't just transform the image size and call it a small map. You almost HAVE to make a second map. Shrink it down layer by layer, and definitely redraw the borders using the old ones as a guide. Retype all the text in a smaller font since the resizing from large rastersizes the text layers usually. It is kinda a pain, but better in the long run.

LOL the Phuket thing, yeah.... um I might be pronouncing it wrong, but in my English speaking way I say it like this: FUH-KIT But probably know it's more like: FOO-KET

[grifftron]

Well.... the small map is a requirement to moving up and we haven't seen it yet. And now it's here, and the font hasn't transferred very well, it's very unreadable in spots. And really have you just shrunk the large version down? It's pretty pixelly in more than a few spots. You really can't just transform the image size and call it a small map. You almost HAVE to make a second map. Shrink it down layer by layer, and definitely redraw the borders using the old ones as a guide. Retype all the text in a smaller font since the resizing from large rastersizes the text layers usually. It is kinda a pain, but better in the long run.

LOL the Phuket thing, yeah.... um I might be pronouncing it wrong, but in my English speaking way I say it like this: FUH-KIT But probably know it's more like: FOO-KET

RedB. Once i get some time ill do that will the smaller version, just to make sure tho. the small version above, is that fine with the dimensions that i had there?

Oh and about Phuket, its pronounced "POO KET" The P is no silent .. actually the K on Ket is more of a G sound.

-griff

[Victor Sullivan]

The old man looks stretched and squeezed, and it overlaps the border... Sully no likey, I'm afraid...

[RedBaron0]

Oh and about Phuket, its pronounced "POO KET" The P is no silent .. actually the K on Ket is more of a G sound.

-griff

Oh yeah, the dimensions, the max on width for the small map is 630, you're 10 pixels over.

hehehehe I have a bad mind I guess. In English, the "PH" is usually pronounced like an "F" Like the city of Philadelphia gets prononced: FILL-a-del-FEE-a Please tell me I'm not the only English speaking person who saw/sees a bad word when saying out loud "Phuket?" It's not a bad thing in any case, it just gives me the giggles when I see/say it.

[Victor Sullivan]

Oh and about Phuket, its pronounced "POO KET" The P is no silent .. actually the K on Ket is more of a G sound.

-griff

Oh yeah, the dimensions, the max on width for the small map is 630, you're 10 pixels over.

hehehehe I have a bad mind I guess. In English, the "PH" is usually pronounced like an "F" Like the city of Philadelphia gets prononced: FILL-a-del-FEE-a Please tell me I'm not the only English speaking person who saw/sees a bad word when saying out loud "Phuket?" It's not a bad thing in any case, it just gives me the giggles when I see/say it.

I'm very concerned, RedBaron, I don't se- oh, haha, I get it now. Heh. Yeah...

I suppose "the land of smiles" doesn't bother me as much anymore, it fits pretty well graphics-wise.

[grifftron]

How does this one look?

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-griff

[Victor Sullivan]

*COUGH COUGH*

The old man looks stretched and squeezed, and it overlaps the border... Sully no likey, I'm afraid...

[grifftron]

*COUGH COUGH*

The old man looks stretched and squeezed, and it overlaps the border... Sully no likey, I'm afraid...

Sully likey nowy?

[Victor Sullivan]

Sweet beans and a cup of soup, old dog!

[AndyDufresne]

I really like the simple aesthetic of this map. A few graphics things to consider:

• Maybe bolding or adding some text differentiation to the lower left hand legend about the Army Regions---like bolding the two 'hold' headings, to make each stand out.
• The signature placement is a little distracting, but this is only a personal preference.
• Part of me would like to see the bonus zone names watermarked on each of them (a la Berlin or something), but it might distract too much from the map.

I think the toughest thing about this map will be the region names for those unfamiliar with the area---but that is hardly something to hold against it! Good work.


--Andy

[FarangDemon]

• Part of me would like to see the bonus zone names watermarked on each of them (a la Berlin or something), but it might distract too much from the map.

Yeah that would be cool to add, but I think impossible based on how much of the map is already taken up by text for individual province names. Also note that there are 10 bonus regions excluding BKK vs only the 4 in Berlin, this also makes it harder to squeeze in the bonus region labels.

Maybe there is room to spell out abbreviations of bonus regions, like Kho Bas, Upp Nor, Low Mek, East, West, but it may be too much of a squeeze or just look weird because not fully spelled. Just my thoughts.

[grifftron]

I really like the simple aesthetic of this map. A few graphics things to consider:

• Maybe bolding or adding some text differentiation to the lower left hand legend about the Army Regions---like bolding the two 'hold' headings, to make each stand out.
• The signature placement is a little distracting, but this is only a personal preference.
• Part of me would like to see the bonus zone names watermarked on each of them (a la Berlin or something), but it might distract too much from the map.

I think the toughest thing about this map will be the region names for those unfamiliar with the area---but that is hardly something to hold against it! Good work.


--Andy

Holiday season has been crazy, ill get on this as soon as i can get some free time! Thanks for the post andy

-griff

[grifftron]

The names of the regions behind like what andy suggested looked really in most regions, so i ended up not adding them, i caps the "HOLD" word in the army region key so it sticks out more then before.

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-griff

[FarangDemon]

One way to simplify the Royal Army Regions bonus explanation would be to integrate it into the pre-existing bonus legend above (append it right below Phak Thai and use the exact same design scheme as that legend). That way it's all streamlined and we can do it with less text so it's more easy to understand at a glance.

Royal Army Bonus
+3 Any 2 <insert army symbol> + HTMS
+4 All 4 <insert army symbol> + HTMS

[iancanton]

although u have the gameplay stamp already, can u show in the opening post the total number of regions (i count 60, including 3 that start neutral)? this will make gameplay analysis easier for anyone who hasn't been following development of the map continuously.

is it possible to change the border of phrae so that the whole name fits inside the region? phr. looks silly when u're abbreviating for a 5-letter name. also, the hyphen in kampha-eng phet breaks kamphaeng in the middle of a syllable, so that it actively leads someone to mispronounce the name. try removing the hyphen and write kamphaeng on one line, overlapping one border.

for consistency, if one bonus zone is south, then its neighbour ought to be deep south and not the deep south (another argument against the deep south is that it more commonly refers to an area of the usa).

http://www.america.gov/st/peopleplace-english/2008/May/20080614183501eaifas0.7509119.html

ian.

[grifftron]

although u have the gameplay stamp already, can u show in the opening post the total number of regions (i count 60, including 3 that start neutral)? this will make gameplay analysis easier for anyone who hasn't been following development of the map continuously.

is it possible to change the border of phrae so that the whole name fits inside the region? phr. looks silly when u're abbreviating for a 5-letter name. also, the hyphen in kampha-eng phet breaks kamphaeng in the middle of a syllable, so that it actively leads someone to mispronounce the name. try removing the hyphen and write kamphaeng on one line, overlapping one border.

for consistency, if one bonus zone is south, then its neighbour ought to be deep south and not the deep south (another argument against the deep south is that it more commonly refers to an area of the usa).

http://www.america.gov/st/peopleplace-english/2008/May/20080614183501eaifas0.7509119.html

ian.

made all changes above by ian... ill count up the terts and put them on the first page.. thanks

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One way to simplify the Royal Army Regions bonus explanation would be to integrate it into the pre-existing bonus legend above (append it right below Phak Thai and use the exact same design scheme as that legend). That way it's all streamlined and we can do it with less text so it's more easy to understand at a glance.

Royal Army Bonus
+3 Any 2 <insert army symbol> + HTMS
+4 All 4 <insert army symbol> + HTMS

I personally don't think its a problem where it is now, our key is not that complicated anyways, and i think that the HOLD has to be on there anyways, i know it was a problem with qwerts pelo war map a while ago, maybe it was different but still, having the HOLD a part is helpful for some. If more want this changed i will change it tho FD.

-griff

[iancanton]

thanks for the opening post update, griff! ur border adjustments have actually worked better than i expected. u still need to remove the reference to phrae in the list of abbreviations.

another adjustment to the spellings: ubon ratchathani seems to be preferred over ubon rachathani and the former is used by the local university for the name of the city (though it keeps a rather odd-looking variant ubon rajathanee for its own name).

http://www.ubu.ac.th/index_english.html

despite the graphics not being finished yet, have u tried putting army circles on a recent version of the small map, just to see whether they all fit without leaving doubt as to which circle refers to which region?

ian.

[FarangDemon]

another adjustment to the spellings: ubon ratchathani seems to be preferred over ubon rachathani and the former is used by the local university for the name of the city (though it keeps a rather odd-looking variant ubon rajathanee for its own name).

http://www.ubu.ac.th/index_english.html

You are dead on, Ian. It was my job to proofread the spellings and I missed that one. I'm very impressed with your eye for detail in Thai spellings. Have you lived here before and developed a knack for Thai spellings or did you just brute force google search check every name?

[iancanton]

i haven't lived in thailand before, but have been to quite a few places (mostly those with beaches), using a lonely planet guide, hence my familiarity with thai spellings. google is naturally very useful for checking the comparative frequency of alternative spellings if one looks wrong. what's ur neck of the woods?

ian.

[FarangDemon]

i haven't lived in thailand before, but have been to quite a few places (mostly those with beaches), using a lonely planet guide, hence my familiarity with thai spellings. google is naturally very useful for checking the comparative frequency of alternative spellings if one looks wrong. what's ur neck of the woods?

ian.

I'm cycling around now. In Udon Thani at the moment, but my base of operations is in Phitsanulok.

[grifftron]

i haven't lived in thailand before, but have been to quite a few places (mostly those with beaches), using a lonely planet guide, hence my familiarity with thai spellings. google is naturally very useful for checking the comparative frequency of alternative spellings if one looks wrong. what's ur neck of the woods?

ian.

I'm cycling around now. In Udon Thani at the moment, but my base of operations is in Phitsanulok.

And i just got back from a pick up in BKK but am back in Chiang Mai now... i was at a small hotel and seen those little cartoon kids on a no smoking sign i was gonna take a picture to show the little kid haters but oh well... Ian i will make those changes when i get the time, thanks for the comments. (also will try out the army circles, although the digi 888's looked fine to me last time.

-griff

[The Bison King]

The border of Buriram doesn't fully connect to Khon Kaen.