California [Quenched]

[Victor Sullivan]

Just change the rest of the fonts then I think you're good to go.

Which font's are you refering to?

The text in the legend and such that still use the old font.

[The Bison King]

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Ok some pretty obvious changes on this one.

The BIG ONE:
While re-evaluating the geography I recognize that LostatLimbo was pretty spot on when he said that Death Vally needed to be farther north. So, I raised it north which removed a territory from the Sierra Nevada bonus, it also led to Mojave's bonuses being rearranged a bit (Inland empire(formerly Mojave) no longer touches every territory in the region. Since Sierra Nevada is now only 4 territories I lowered Sierra Nevada's bonus to +2 (which is actually what I always wanted it to be anyways). Reducing the bonus by 1 also opened room up to add a territory else where, so I added some of those off shore Islands which are in such high demand. I added the channel Islands instead of the Catalinas because it was closer to the Central Coast bonus, which is now 6 regions (though I kept it's bonus value the same since the borders have not increased)

I also changed some more region names.

South Bay = Santa Ana
Orange = Anaheim
Inland Empire = Chino Hills
Mojave = Inland Empire
Salton sea = Calexico

[Victor Sullivan]

Just change the rest of the fonts then I think you're good to go.

Which font's are you refering to?

The text in the legend and such that still use the old font.

Thought I'd remind you of my earlier comment

But also, I think Mojave Desert needs to be +5. It is much more difficult to hold than Northern California, no?

-Sully

[The Bison King]

right, regarding the legend font I don't see a need to make it the same font as the territories. In fact I think it's better to keep them separate, I think visually it makes the map more readable at a glance.

But also, I think Mojave Desert needs to be +5. It is much more difficult to hold than Northern California, no?

Maybe... it is in hat there is no longer a central territory, and you can't expand to make it a 3 border unless you can take all of los angeles. I'm a little concerned that bumping it up to +5 might make the the map a little bottom heavy.

I'd like some feedback on that for those of you who read this.

[Victor Sullivan]

right, regarding the legend font I don't see a need to make it the same font as the territories. In fact I think it's better to keep them separate, I think visually it makes the map more readable at a glance.

Eh, I disagree. See, it's the same font as Thyseneal and it really just does not work for this map. If you want to keep the fonts separate, fine, but at least change the font you're currently using for the legend and minimap.

[The Bison King]

right, regarding the legend font I don't see a need to make it the same font as the territories. In fact I think it's better to keep them separate, I think visually it makes the map more readable at a glance.

Eh, I disagree. See, it's the same font as Thyseneal and it really just does not work for this map. If you want to keep the fonts separate, fine, but at least change the font you're currently using for the legend and minimap.

It is not, Thyseneal used Apple Chauncey, this uses Monotype Corvisa. I don't see why it doesn't fit, it can represent the finer side of California's wine culture.

[Victor Sullivan]

right, regarding the legend font I don't see a need to make it the same font as the territories. In fact I think it's better to keep them separate, I think visually it makes the map more readable at a glance.

Eh, I disagree. See, it's the same font as Thyseneal and it really just does not work for this map. If you want to keep the fonts separate, fine, but at least change the font you're currently using for the legend and minimap.

It is not, Thyseneal used Apple Chauncey, this uses Monotype Corvisa. I don't see why it doesn't fit, it can represent the finer side of California's wine culture.

...

Maybe RedBaron or thenobodies will agree with me...

[natty dread]

It's called Monotype Corsiva and it's not a really great font. Along with Papyrus & Comic Sans it is one of the most overused fonts, and most professional graphicians tend to avoid those fonts, as they tend to give an "amateurish" feel due to being so overused.

[Victor Sullivan]

It's called Monotype Corsiva and it's not a really great font. Along with Papyrus & Comic Sans it is one of the most overused fonts, and most professional graphicians tend to avoid those fonts, as they tend to give an "amateurish" feel due to being so overused.

THANK YOU.

[natty dread]

see this article for more info

http://www.inspirationbit.com/a-plea-fr ... sed-fonts/

...and this

http://www.3point7designs.com/blog/2008 ... would-die/

[The Bison King]

It's called Monotype Corsiva and it's not a really great font. Along with Papyrus & Comic Sans it is one of the most overused fonts, and most professional graphicians tend to avoid those fonts, as they tend to give an "amateurish" feel due to being so overused.

THANK YOU.

Oh ok hold on I'm going to go to the bathroom and when I come out I'll fix it.

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Oh did I never come out of the bathroom? I wonder what happened....


but seriously, fine, whatever I'll change the stupid font, jeez.

I'm changing it on the mini map but "The Golden State of" stays. You're link said it was made for headers and that's exactly what it's being used as.

[The Bison King]

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There ya go. I also threw the digits on there to see how I was doing for space.

[Donlarry]

californication

[natty dread]

A general guideline for any piece of graphics with text is to never use more than 2 typefaces (not counting title). You currently have 4 typefaces, not counting title. I suggest picking 2 of them and using only them. I also suggest that neither of those 2 would be monotype corsiva.

I'd say, use the territory font for all territory names & minimap. I don't see why LA territories should be in a different font. Also use this font for the minimap numbers.

For all other text (except the title): legend, inset titles, "the golden state of" - use the font you currently use for the inset titles - it seems nice enough.

Also, will you do something about the brown border around the map? I've said it before but perhaps you missed it... it looks kinda drab and boring.

[The Bison King]

A general guideline for any piece of graphics with text is to never use more than 2 typefaces (not counting title). You currently have 4 typefaces, not counting title. I suggest picking 2 of them and using only them. I also suggest that neither of those 2 would be monotype corsiva.

Sounds reasonable.

I don't see why LA territories should be in a different font. Also use this font for the minimap numbers.

ehh, you just don't get it. LA just comes with that font, it's the fakest place in the world, it's part of it's identity.
Basically it would be a sin for me not to use that font on LA.

The Baja font doesn't come with numbers, so I'll probably use the font I use on the inset titles for the mini map.

So it'll be 2 fonts +1 for Hollywood (cuz it's special)

Also, will you do something about the brown border around the map? I've said it before but perhaps you missed it... it looks kinda drab and boring.

What do you want me to do about it?

[natty dread]

ehh, you just don't get it. LA just comes with that font, it's the fakest place in the world, it's part of it's identity.
Basically it would be a sin for me not to use that font on LA.

Sin? Is there some bible out there that deals with using typefaces in LA?

It's your call, and I do get your reasons for using the font on LA - hello, who hasn't seen the hollywood sign - but I just think keeping a consistent font for the territory names would still be an overall better solution. Anyway, your call, this is just my opinion.

The Baja font doesn't come with numbers, so I'll probably use the font I use on the inset titles for the mini map.

Good idea.

Also, will you do something about the brown border around the map? I've said it before but perhaps you missed it... it looks kinda drab and boring.

What do you want me to do about it?

Well.. How about some ornamentation? Something like the border on Cyprus, except not all greeky but instead californey. Or maybe just giving it a slight bevel, maybe a thin black stroke, something along those lines... something, anything, to make it more than just a boring brown rectangle. They say not to judge a painting by it's frame, but they're partially wrong, since the frame is part of the presentation...

[The Bison King]

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ok, V2.7 I made the font changes, I added the bear back in, I added a key which informs you that S.F = San Francisco, and I added the bay connections.

I haven't touched the borders yet though.

[Victor Sullivan]

You need to fix Bay Area's "+6". And whatever happened to Mojave being +5??

[natty dread]

"The golden state of" is still in corsiva... I think it might look good with the territory font.

[The Bison King]

You need to fix Bay Area's "+6".

yeah it looks small doesn't it

And whatever happened to Mojave being +5??

I never agreed is what happened. You need a stronger case. Really try to sell me on it. I'm afraid that bumping it up to 5 will make the south 2 strong in the mid to late game.

"The golden state of" is still in corsiva... I think it might look good with the territory font.

Yeah I know but I think it looks good there. It's the title so it's ok if it's a little decorative.

...oooh, but apparently I forgot to capitalize the S in State...

[natty dread]

Yeah I know but I think it looks good there. It's the title so it's ok if it's a little decorative.

It just doesn't seem to fit with the style of the map... besides being Monotype Corsiva, of course

[Victor Sullivan]

And whatever happened to Mojave being +5??

I never agreed is what happened. You need a stronger case. Really try to sell me on it. I'm afraid that bumping it up to 5 will make the south 2 strong in the mid to late game.

Alright, here's me selling it:

• North Coast can be easily taken along with Northern California for a total of +6 with only 3 borders and 2 cities.
• Okay, so both Mojave and Northern California have 4 border territories, BUT Mojave's 4 outlying territories border a total of 6 territories, while NC only 4, 2 of those being North Coast territories.

That good enough for ya, or do I need to elaborate further?

-Sully

[The Bison King]

And whatever happened to Mojave being +5??

I never agreed is what happened. You need a stronger case. Really try to sell me on it. I'm afraid that bumping it up to 5 will make the south 2 strong in the mid to late game.

Alright, here's me selling it:

• North Coast can be easily taken along with Northern California for a total of +6 with only 3 borders and 2 cities.
• Okay, so both Mojave and Northern California have 4 border territories, BUT Mojave's 4 outlying territories border a total of 6 territories, while NC only 4, 2 of those being North Coast territories.

That good enough for ya, or do I need to elaborate further?

-Sully

Nope you're quite the salesman. Unless anyone has an objection that'll be in the next update.

Here's another thought: are the cities too powerful should it be 3 for +2, 4 for +3, or are they fine as they are?

[Victor Sullivan]

You could try something along the lines of +2 for 3, +3 for 4, +5 for 5.

[thenobodies80]

TBK, has a Gameplay CA checked the changes you did on the map after the gameplay stamp? (nevermind i'm sending a PM to Evil DIMwit right now )