what has more strategy

[Robinette]

Interesting thread...


many of the replies make interesting points,

but it seems to me that many do not understand the difference between strategic moves and tactical moves.

[BigBallinStalin]

Speed freestyle guys tend to stick to maps they know like the back of their hand. The strategy included was learning the map and perfecting it no matter what happens from the other players because most times your system beats their inexperience no matter what their move is...,sticking to the system, while a valid strategy, is not in my mind harder to execute than the strategy required in a random seq. game.

How many random speed freestyle games are on the board waiting to be joined?
None.

Of course when you are greatly familiar with any map/settings you are going to have a tremendous advantage no matter what the opposition does but, in a seq. game the opponent has the time to develop a counter, that, in speed freestyle, can't be done. Sequential requires you to do more than follow your system....you have to think, plan, react and execute (a lot of the time) a new idea each turn.

Freestyle Speed is not about map knowledge for the most part, at least not on any of the non complex maps. Though i will grant you that taking advantage of inexperience is key in a lot of games, a game vs another top player is highly skilled. I have had 1 vs 1 fs games that are in round 10-15 and still undecided because each player is matching the other players move for move.

Also what percentage of standard games are random vs freestyle games are random? I would guess its not that different.

You just love to argue with me, dont you?
You didn't read what I wrote at all.

There is NO strategy involved in speed freestyle ass doodles/lux, ljex...sorry.

Sure there is! If there was no strategy, then the game couldn't be played due to the absence of any options.

Sorry, you are right. Go really fast, get the first turn, and pray for good dice is strategy in its own sense to be sure.

It's still a strategy, no matter how much you whine about it.

[L M S]

I'm not whining about anything, and now I'm done with this thread. Thanks BBS, for adding something constructive and meaningful to the conversation...
Typical

[BigBallinStalin]

"NO U" arguments are a bit beneath me.

Thanks for leaving! *WAVES ENTHUSIASTICALLY*

[Bruceswar]

I never suggested there was however, winning those maps in a seq. game doesn't involve being the fastest, which is out of many users control...this is why freestyle in general (especially SPEED freestyle) is a completely different animal and shouldn't be considered in this argument. I play freestyle, but not speed freestyle cause I know I'll get my ass kicked due mostly to the speed of my computer as well as my talent with clickies (albeit to a lesser extent). If you look at the speed games waiting, you can usually count on the same players playing their favorite maps (read the ones they are well versed in). It's suicide to try and challenge KH, Pimp, YOU, The Best, etc. etc..(sorry about your little butt if I left you out), etc....on their favorite maps in speed freestyle.....cause their system will smoke you out of the water anytime.

At the bolded part.. So having skills and honing it in is not a strategy? Interesting idea. For those who say you need a fast PC. Hogwash... I played for most of my CC time on an old POS computer. It is not about the PC, it is how you use it. Also being good with clickable maps is a skill also, and has some strategy to it.

[Hannibal92]

I'd say that freestyle has more strategy because you never know who will attack you. If you play seq. then you might be able to plan on sonebody weakening someone else.

[maniacmath17]

The game with the most strategy would be the one with the least luck involved. Sequential doesn't deal with factors such as what time others decide to take their turn, or who has the better internet connection.

Think about it. Why is chess the ultimate strategy game? No luck involved.

[Robinette]

The game with the most strategy would be the one with the least luck involved. Sequential doesn't deal with factors such as what time others decide to take their turn, or who has the better internet connection.

Think about it. Why is chess the ultimate strategy game? No luck involved.

I'm guessing you've never played freestyle chess...



But even in chess, you sometimes get a lucky opportunity to turn the tide...

[ljex]

The game with the most strategy would be the one with the least luck involved. Sequential doesn't deal with factors such as what time others decide to take their turn, or who has the better internet connection.

Think about it. Why is chess the ultimate strategy game? No luck involved.

I'm guessing you've never played freestyle chess...



But even in chess, you sometimes get a lucky opportunity to turn the tide...

Any real chess player would know something about the board has changed while they looked away...

[Robinette]

oh ljex, you're no fun,

Downer, next exit... lol...

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[waseemalim]

The game with the most strategy would be the one with the least luck involved. Sequential doesn't deal with factors such as what time others decide to take their turn, or who has the better internet connection.

Think about it. Why is chess the ultimate strategy game? No luck involved.

By that logic tic-tac-toe is more strategic than CC.

[Gold Knight]

The game with the most strategy would be the one with the least luck involved. Sequential doesn't deal with factors such as what time others decide to take their turn, or who has the better internet connection.

Think about it. Why is chess the ultimate strategy game? No luck involved.

By that logic tic-tac-toe is more strategic than CC.

Stay up all night strategizing where to put that next X...

[40kguy]

The game with the most strategy would be the one with the least luck involved. Sequential doesn't deal with factors such as what time others decide to take their turn, or who has the better internet connection.

Think about it. Why is chess the ultimate strategy game? No luck involved.

By that logic tic-tac-toe is more strategic than CC.

well but if you have 2 players playing who are both really good then it takes more luck then cc because you have to eventually lose focus and then the other player will win.

[Robinette]

The game with the most strategy would be the one with the least luck involved. Sequential doesn't deal with factors such as what time others decide to take their turn, or who has the better internet connection.

Think about it. Why is chess the ultimate strategy game? No luck involved.

I'm guessing you've never played freestyle chess...



But even in chess, you sometimes get a lucky opportunity to turn the tide...

Any real chess player would know something about the board has changed while they looked away...

i am always amazed at what i can do in a 6p game that goes unnoticed by others...
maybe it's that some players have too many games going, i dunno...

[rdsrds2120]

I've played sequential and speed freestyle for a bit now, with starting off on CC with sequential and moving up. If you play your preferred game type with someone that also prefers that type, then the strategy level is pretty balanced and is more focused on the skill of the actual players, not the game type. Yes, anyone who plays speed fs against someone like ljex, or another speed fs'er, is going to have conflicting strategy routes because the two modes require different modes of thinking (though one isn't necessarily higher than the other). My guess is that most of the posters here who consistently moan about how horrible speed fs is here do so because of a bad first experience (and possibly a couple following ones) on speed fs when they were accustomed to being able to hold their own in any sequential match. To hold these two game types to the same strategic standard isn't accurate, plain and simple.

-rd

[SirSebstar]

Although freestyle sucks, i do agree with you there. freestyle speed and seq are truly not truly comparable. If one would however have to try the differences would start here. Timemanegement and computer+internetspeed are significant factors in potential victory. Timeing of the start and end of your turn are important in freestyle and almost never in sequential. Other then plain abuse, if 2 opponants of equal opportunities meet, then timing is the main change in strategy compared to seq. Does that make it less ,no.
On the other hand, freestyle is highly unbalanced, therefore plain sucky and should be avoided unless playing with persons who you would trust with your bankaccount and wife... and you STILL need to be weary...

Furthermore, freestyle sucks!

I've played sequential and speed freestyle for a bit now, with starting off on CC with sequential and moving up. If you play your preferred game type with someone that also prefers that type, then the strategy level is pretty balanced and is more focused on the skill of the actual players, not the game type. Yes, anyone who plays speed fs against someone like ljex, or another speed fs'er, is going to have conflicting strategy routes because the two modes require different modes of thinking (though one isn't necessarily higher than the other). My guess is that most of the posters here who consistently moan about how horrible speed fs is here do so because of a bad first experience (and possibly a couple following ones) on speed fs when they were accustomed to being able to hold their own in any sequential match. To hold these two game types to the same strategic standard isn't accurate, plain and simple.

-rd