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[strike wolf]

And the lies pile up.

Sax's claim is believable enough for now I guess, traditionally the mayor role is a bit different than what he says but it does make sense as far as what the role implies. As far as voting me, it's better to post the reason in post rather than making vague references to what someone else said.

also ebwop: forgot to unvote before I voted victor

[Haggis_McMutton]

Victor is lying about him vistiting the Herk on night one. Only Blake and Fircoal vistied Herk night one.

Vote Victor

Also sax dont say anything about other games in here whether its true or not

Well, this is as good as a counter claim.
Now, if it turns out that Sully is innocent we know naxus is lying.

so unvote vote Victor, his lynch should uncover scum either way.

[Stefunny85]

Way to go spiesr. If Victor was a CPR doc he should have known what happened and yes the gun doesn't make sense for a CPR doctor.

vote victor

I don't know if he would have known he was a CPR doc, but he has implied both that he doesn't kill AND that he knew he killed.
Sounds like a false claim.
Vote Victor

[Victor Sullivan]

Touché. I admit I played that poorly. Might as well leak some things I know:
1. There are 2 mafia factions, freezie wasn't apart of mine but blakebowling was.
2. I am the poisoner. I performed my poison kill on Fircoal Night 1. The only other person left in my faction killed freezie last night.
3. My poison kill is unblockable, and if I don't make the kill for my mafia, I can investigate someone's alignment. I investigated Flores and got innocent... I've only done one investigation, obviously, so who knows? I could be insane or something.

Any more stuff you'd like to know before you lynch me? (I will not rat out my partner in crime, though )

-Esther

[Haggis_McMutton]

Touché. I admit I played that poorly. Might as well leak some things I know:
1. There are 2 mafia factions, freezie wasn't apart of mine but blakebowling was.
2. I am the poisoner. I performed my poison kill on Fircoal Night 1. The only other person left in my faction killed freezie last night.
3. My poison kill is unblockable, and if I don't make the kill for my mafia, I can investigate someone's alignment. I investigated Flores and got innocent... I've only done one investigation, obviously, so who knows? I could be insane or something.

Any more stuff you'd like to know before you lynch me? (I will not rat out my partner in crime, though )

-Esther

And why exactly would you give us this info? except as an attempt to mislead and or confuse us?
The only piece of info that I believe from that is that you are indeed scum.

Looks like this day will be shorter than 10 pages AND will be the first one when we get scum, nice job guys

[Victor Sullivan]

Touché. I admit I played that poorly. Might as well leak some things I know:
1. There are 2 mafia factions, freezie wasn't apart of mine but blakebowling was.
2. I am the poisoner. I performed my poison kill on Fircoal Night 1. The only other person left in my faction killed freezie last night.
3. My poison kill is unblockable, and if I don't make the kill for my mafia, I can investigate someone's alignment. I investigated Flores and got innocent... I've only done one investigation, obviously, so who knows? I could be insane or something.

Any more stuff you'd like to know before you lynch me? (I will not rat out my partner in crime, though )

-Esther

And why exactly would you give us this info? except as an attempt to mislead and or confuse us?
The only piece of info that I believe from that is that you are indeed scum.

Looks like this day will be shorter than 10 pages AND will be the first one when we get scum, nice job guys

Finally we get a short day and I'm the one lynched...

And maybe I am trying to mislead you. I frankly don't care how you take what I gave you, I'm dead anyways

-Sully

[strike wolf]

Well this is the first time I've seen a mafia member give up information so willingly...this makes sense. If there was a second mafia faction it would explain why Freezie was aggressive in trying to lynch Jace. If he thought Jace might be a part of the second mafia faction he would want to take out that person. Though I don't believe we can believe everything Victor says...sorry flores but I'm not convinced when he tells me you're innocent. If anything I have more doubt about you now.

[Stefunny85]

And maybe I am trying to mislead you. I frankly don't care how you take what I gave you, I'm dead anyways

-Sully

Does the wink on the end of his sentence make ANYONE else a little nervous?

[Jace22]

not really as the wink is basically his pre-sig sig

[Commander9]

Seeing how the last couple days have gone, I think I'm gonna role-claim now as opposed to later (remember daze claimed town late in the game and she was lynched anyways, same with aage, so here goes nothing...)

Okay, I have to admit I'm awfully confused as to why I'd be carrying a gun, but I am indeed the CPR Doc or "Desperate Doctor" or "Drastic Measures Doc" or something as Mr. Squirrel put it (my role PM got archived, I forget what exactly he called it, I'm afraid). I used my doc protect on theherkman Night 1 (cuz I figured he'd be a target and I wanted to secure his safety) and VioIet Night 2 (I assumed she may have had a lover-esque relationship with aage or she'd be targeted because aage was found innocent, thus implying she, too, was innocent, so I doc'ed her last night). I assume the gun would be referring to my killing someone if they aren't targeted? Seems like a strange role to get a gun on Maybe I was busdriven? Idk...

Another note - mafia must be wicked powerful or something, because between Fircoal and me, that's 3 doc protects!

-Sully

Not buying this at all. This actually just makes me sure that you are a scum after all - you pick a role that has been mentioned quite a few times by other people and take the easy route, so most of the people would believe you.

Unvote. Vote. Sully.

So this CPR doc is the town's night kill? This seems pretty simple then. All we need is for theherkman to verify that you are who say you are and everything's gravy. \

However, since theherkman is away on forum ban, we'll have to wait.
Though, it seems a little odd to be claiming this role when the main person to corroborate (or call you out) is unable to speak...

And the other one is dead.

@ Iliad - wouldn't that actually apply more to the side of freezie not writing anything about his real scumbuddies (well, the ones that I assume anyways)?

I'm still a bit unsure about Victors claim. Firstly I don't see why a CPR Doc would have a gun (of course the presence of Freezie the Busdriver allows for the possibility of Commander having got an incorrect result). Secondly I'm not all that sure that a CPR Doc would be told that he is a CPR Doc. I'll admit that I haven't come across many CPR Docs earlier but of all the Docs/Cops with varying success rate/sanity I've seen there are very few that where told if/when they had a varying success rate/sanity. Though I guess that the severity of the CPR Docs alternative action might make it necessary to know.

Very good point about the bus driver - didn't thought of that. However, since Victor was completely under the radar, do you think anyone was expecting him to be investigated? Furthermore, he could have been easily killed by PGO (I'm assuming that's what happened).

@ Flores

My dear, dear Flores, I'm fully aware that you belong to someone else and I'm not trying to change anything I will say that I do like your post and what you've done in this game so far, but I still consider you and Haggis to be the scums.

Ok leaving out the philosophical context that frame my actions i also have a pragmatic defense: if i had a cool role like being scum i could have kept a low profile, getting swayed and agreeing with the opinions of misleaded townies more than making cases of my own and risking to make waves, and post way more fluff than content, and i know way better than link myself to other scum, i am a better player than that.

For me, this only reinforces what I already know and suspect. An experienced player would exactly not do that (especially since there are two mafias) and would try to contribute and weed out the other ones. Both you and Haggis played this differently and now I'm more convinced than any time before that you are indeed not for the good of the town.

@ Spiesr - he was my Night 2 investigation. I'm fairly sure he's in mafia.

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Yes, Strike 1!

Good job, everyone, really good job! I'm so glad that this has worked!

Touché. I admit I played that poorly. Might as well leak some things I know:
1. There are 2 mafia factions, freezie wasn't apart of mine but blakebowling was.
2. I am the poisoner. I performed my poison kill on Fircoal Night 1. The only other person left in my faction killed freezie last night.
3. My poison kill is unblockable, and if I don't make the kill for my mafia, I can investigate someone's alignment. I investigated Flores and got innocent... I've only done one investigation, obviously, so who knows? I could be insane or something.

Any more stuff you'd like to know before you lynch me? (I will not rat out my partner in crime, though )

-Esther

Hmm, perhaps Flores is your 2nd partner after all! Or, which is just as likely, you're trying to mislead us...



Anyways, it's extremely likely that I won't login until tomorrow and I know that you'll miss me

[Victor Sullivan]

I already said I was mafia, Commander. GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!!!!

[Flow520]

I already said I was mafia, Commander. GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!!!!

Yeah, I thought your claim was a little scummy...
So nice of you to admit it though.
I just want to point out that by my count the vote is:
saxlad (3) - iliad, Thezzaruz, FloresDelMal
strike wolf (2) - victor, TheSaxlad
victor (9) -TG, naxus, spiesr, Jace22, strike wolf, naxus, Haggis_McMutton, Stefunny85, Commander9
Looking at those lonely two votes for Strike Wolf by an admitted scumster and TheSaxlad who continually claims to not be scum buddies, I see some awfully aligned and specific interests going on there...
I'm going to Vote Victor for now but I really think we should be looking very intently at TheSaxlad tomorrow...

So, by my count Victor is now at L-1. Anyone care to drop the hammer for a safer scum free New Briarsburg?

[naxus]

I already said I was mafia, Commander. GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!!!!

Yeah, I thought your claim was a little scummy...
So nice of you to admit it though.
I just want to point out that by my count the vote is:
saxlad (3) - iliad, Thezzaruz, FloresDelMal
strike wolf (2) - victor, TheSaxlad
victor (9) -TG, naxus, spiesr, Jace22, strike wolf, naxus, Haggis_McMutton, Stefunny85, Commander9
Looking at those lonely two votes for Strike Wolf by an admitted scumster and TheSaxlad who continually claims to not be scum buddies, I see some awfully aligned and specific interests going on there...
I'm going to Vote Victor for now but I really think we should be looking very intently at TheSaxlad tomorrow...

So, by my count Victor is now at L-1. Anyone care to drop the hammer for a safer scum free New Briarsburg?

have me counted twice

[Jace22]

so he's only at L-2, ok. C'mon guys lets finish off this scum

[Flow520]

have me counted twice

Opps Sorry about that.

[strike wolf]

I already said I was mafia, Commander. GET WITH THE PROGRAM!!!!!!

Yeah, I thought your claim was a little scummy...
So nice of you to admit it though.
I just want to point out that by my count the vote is:
saxlad (3) - iliad, Thezzaruz, FloresDelMal
strike wolf (2) - victor, TheSaxlad
victor (9) -TG, spiesr, Jace22, strike wolf, naxus, Haggis_McMutton, Stefunny85, Commander9
Looking at those lonely two votes for Strike Wolf by an admitted scumster and TheSaxlad who continually claims to not be scum buddies, I see some awfully aligned and specific interests going on there...
I'm going to Vote Victor for now but I really think we should be looking very intently at TheSaxlad tomorrow...

So, by my count Victor is now at L-1. Anyone care to drop the hammer for a safer scum free New Briarsburg?

What can I say? the mafia must love me

[nagerous]

An inactive does his duty

vote victor sullivan

[nagerous]

So yeah... looks like he is lynch -1

Just throwing out a FOS to Haggis McMutton before the night phase kicks off, he seems to play very aggressively especially towards the end of the day 1 and day 2, he played a key role in both of those town lynches pushing hard for the kill to be made even after comments made by individuals like Vio highlighting that those being lynched were very unlikely to be scum..

A few quotes to boot

from day 1:

Good argument karl. Hmm sounds like you just want a lynch haggis. You are switching votes over constantly- just ready to jump on a bandwagon. And not necessary a thoughtful lynch, or one that could possibly gather information or be of benefit to the town. Just any lynch is good enough for you.

Are you serious? I understand skimming, but stating that i haven't put thought into this? You must have not read any of my posts for the last 20 pages.
You actually managed to annoy me a little, something that happens very rarely to me over the interwebz.

You know, actually i dare you to find ONE person who has put more thought into this lynch than me, keep in mind my short novel post about all the players, my debate about the benefit or non-benefit of a random roleblocker, my switch from naxus to daze only because of the enforced deadline(with reasons posted and asking squirrel to prolong the deadline). My post clearly stating how i view lynching daze,sens and no lynch in temrs of usefullness for the town etc etc.

Also, you are now defending daze more vigurously than ever. This does not bode well with you statement that "you just defended her initially cause you don't want your friend accused of lying". People don't defend friends in mafia like you're doing, noob scum defend sum mates like you are doing.

MAJOR FOS VIOLET for making absolutely no sense.

That is now the second or third time I've been accused of skimming. It is possible that there was a misunderstanding, but certainly not skimming. I think I am one of the players reading this thread most carefully. Spend hours reading it every day- too much time. But it is all in good fun, so I’m certainly not complaining.

With that being said…..

Haggis, I have also done similar analysis posts as you have.
Yes you have some thoughtful post out there but it is just part of the well constructed facade that you are putting on right now.
It is very contradictory and downright hypocritical for you to make such a thoughtful post- analyzing the benefits of a possible dazey vs sens lynch, however you seem to just follow the masses, jumping on any bandwagon you see.

1. I STARTED the daze wagon(at least the second one. Shortly after mod announced the deadline and i explained why.
2. I didn't jump on the herk wagon and was against it, again with reasons
3. I clearly stated that lynching daze better than lynching sens better than no lynch imo. All my actions are a consequence of that clearly stated belief.

If you thought Dazey was the better choice all this time- then why help to push a wagon on sens?
Stand up for what you think was the better choice- instead of flipping your vote around constantly, to go along with the easier target.

See number 3.

Nor were you ever the first one to cast a vote dazey or sens, but always the second to last.
.

O RLY?

If you're reading then you are not comprehending.
I started the waggon on naxus, that was getting of the ground till mod announced deadline. After the deadline i (re-)started the waggon on daze:

Actually, if the deadline is upheld, I'm for lynching daze.

She is the only one we've had a proper bandwagon on, therefore she's the one from which we'll get the most benefit by lynching. The fact that she has contributed almost nothing also helps my case.

The problem is, i genuinely believe her to be a roleblocker, but, if the deadline is upheld, i think it's our best choice and that the info we would get from her wagon would outweigh the possible benefits of a roleblocking role in the hands of a person who doesn't follow the game.

There you go, page 36. I then defended that decision throughout the next 20 pages and I'm still sticking to it, switching to sens only because of point 3.

So really, your arguments are WEAK and prove that you aren't following the thread wether you read it or not.

Here he is very pushy and aggressive against the dazerazer lynch as opposed to sensfan even with the arguments presented against dazerazer

day 2:

Er, usually when you try to lynch an unlynchable person that person just gains x votes but the day doesn't end, he/she just doesn't get lynched, no matter how many votes...

Oh, i didn't know about that. I thought the day ended.

Well, in that case, unvote vote Violet

voting another proved townie

following this he 'accidently' hammers aage





day 3:

Seeing how the last couple days have gone, I think I'm gonna role-claim now as opposed to later (remember daze claimed town late in the game and she was lynched anyways, same with aage, so here goes nothing...)

Okay, I have to admit I'm awfully confused as to why I'd be carrying a gun, but I am indeed the CPR Doc or "Desperate Doctor" or "Drastic Measures Doc" or something as Mr. Squirrel put it (my role PM got archived, I forget what exactly he called it, I'm afraid). I used my doc protect on theherkman Night 1 (cuz I figured he'd be a target and I wanted to secure his safety) and VioIet Night 2 (I assumed she may have had a lover-esque relationship with aage or she'd be targeted because aage was found innocent, thus implying she, too, was innocent, so I doc'ed her last night). I assume the gun would be referring to my killing someone if they aren't targeted? Seems like a strange role to get a gun on Maybe I was busdriven? Idk...

Another note - mafia must be wicked powerful or something, because between Fircoal and me, that's 3 doc protects!

-Sully

Hmm, interesting ...

On the one hand, the doctor with a gun thing is really weird. I don't really see how it works at all. What are the options here? another busdriver doesn't seem very likely. Any other explanations?

On the other hand, i don't really see why scum would claim that role, since all it would take is for the real cpr doctor to step up ...

Well, unless somebody else claims cpr doctor, i believe Sax is still scummiest so my vote stays.

defending the scum yet voting the now claimed mayor?

[strike wolf]

I agree with that analysis Nag. Plus I found him very defensive today over small accusations and major accusations alike.

[strike wolf]

I agree with that analysis Nag. Plus I found him very defensive today over small accusations and major accusations alike almost attacking anyone who disagrees with him and that post reminds me that he's being doing it since day 1..

EBWOP

[nagerous]

Finally, an investigative role steps up, i was beginning to wonder if we have any at all.

So you can see what items a person has? Did you get any more info on Sully besides the fact that he has a gun?

That doesn't really seem all that scummy to me guys. Investigative roles better start stepping forward and revealing info or the mafia's gonna win because the townies don't know what's going on. We're basically just accusing people based on posts, and we all know how consistent that is.

vote victor

I really don't think so, especially since now the double doctor has died sounds like you are fishing for investigative roles to come out and claim so you have a target to kill or roleblock in the night, perhaps you are the mafia roleblocker?

FOS Tailgunner

Unless investigative roles have irrefutable evidence they should keep schtum, especially this early in the game, multiple claims doesn't help much until we reach the later stages where it is easier to start properly picking out the scum. Regardless, I think commander9 and naxus have shown themselves to be valuable assets to the town and any genuine back up doctor alive should think about assisting them.

[TheSaxlad]

I am very worried about dropping the hammer on victor... Im worried im gonna die if I lynch him that he can poison me as im lynching him or something...

Well Im about to find out... [/b]unvote vote viccy[/b]

and hope i dont die...

[TheSaxlad]

oh doc.

Some help would be appreciated...

[strike wolf]

Poisoner as I've seen it work back in the Modern Warfare game selected his kills the night before they died. So unless he already chose to kill you last night...I'd be more concerned about the other mafia killing you.

[nagerous]

whilst I don't doubt your claim, a game this side is likely to have a mayor I personally think you are over-stating/over-selling your role, I rarely see the mayor's powers actually used. Don't mean to sound like a cock but there are others who the town would benefit more if they are wearing protection in the coming night phase.