Age of Merchants - [Quenched]

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:54 pm

Just the market/resource bonuses

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:01 pm

he's right. no continent bonuses just resources.

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:01 pm

i think you should remove the names of continets as welll....They are hard to read and not really needed.

Also the bottom island there are what i think are mountains!!! Could you try something else because it looks kinda like a long blob

Apart from that map is looking very good and cant wait to play it. I also think you could have the market with a colour online...It would look nice to have just a little colour in this map

WEll done so far

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 10:35 pm

I can see what onbekende is saying about moving the market.
By moving the market to one of the border territories, it makes your "continent" bonus more difficult to hold. The market is the obvious target for breaking the bonus so if its on the border the bonus is more easily breached. Like if to break Africa you had to attack to congo instead of just East Africa.
I think that is why he suggests moving it.
Cheers,
Gozar

onbekende · Post by **onbekende** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:18 am

Gozar wrote:I can see what onbekende is saying about moving the market.
By moving the market to one of the border territories, it makes your "continent" bonus more difficult to hold. The market is the obvious target for breaking the bonus so if its on the border the bonus is more easily breached. Like if to break Africa you had to attack to congo instead of just East Africa.
I think that is why he suggests moving it.
Cheers,
Gozar

among other things, general idea

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 3:37 am

i'm leaving to a barbeque now. i'll have a look at resources and markets and i'll reposition them when i come back. keep the input flowing

thanks for all the help.

robb · Post by **robb** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 6:28 am

this is a fantastic idea! look forward to playing it.

Marvaddin · Post by **Marvaddin** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:49 pm

I like the idea of no continents bonuses, just resources. But the map is still confuse.

1st, why to have all those lines in the map, if ports can connect to others as teleports? Maybe you can drop the lines, or remove the ports, at least in the legend... So you could use the ports to attack the others they connect to, and still use them to connect markets, etc, for bonuses purposes.

2nd... why so many resources? Just to add appeal? Because this makes it too confuse... You have more resources than games like Pirates! Gold :wink:

Anyway, we need rethink the bonuses, or the spread can be decisive in many games... Like, +2 if you control a resource and a market on same continent? Its too much... And lets think a bit... in the south continent, if you get the second market, you will simply get doubled armies? The Pirate cove idea is also a interesting one, but will most probably give someone a good bonus from the start, again, we need think about it...

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:00 pm

Marvaddin wrote:I like the idea of no continents bonuses, just resources. But the map is still confuse.

1st, why to have all those lines in the map, if ports can connect to others as teleports? Maybe you can drop the lines, or remove the ports, at least in the legend... So you could use the ports to attack the others they connect to, and still use them to connect markets, etc, for bonuses purposes.

2nd... why so many resources? Just to add appeal? Because this makes it too confuse... You have more resources than games like Pirates! Gold

Anyway, we need rethink the bonuses, or the spread can be decisive in many games... Like, +2 if you control a resource and a market on same continent? Its too much... And lets think a bit... in the south continent, if you get the second market, you will simply get doubled armies? The Pirate cove idea is also a interesting one, but will most probably give someone a good bonus from the start, again, we need think about it...

*the other routes are just to make travelling easier and to make the continents harder to hold.
*the bonuses can be halved somebody else already proposed this and i think it would be good also.
*there are more resources foe variety reasons. it gives a better feeling. i could have just put bir R's and big M's on the map to represent resources and markets but i would have gotten an artifficial feeling.

yes troop deployment in the start could give you a bonus advantage right from round one, but that's the case with every map. i've seen people hold australia or south america form the first deployment or in the recent map Chinese Checkers there was a game where someone got an entire triangle in the begining and that's 6 territories, also on the philipines map i've seen a guy that got all the naval bases from the start. things like these happen on any map but that's life some are lucky some are not. if your a good player you can deal with somebody getting an early bonus.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:01 pm

I am going to jump in and reply to what Marvaddin said with some of my thoughts.

Each continent has 2 resources, a market, a treasure and a port is my understanding. So this is balanced across the map, there are not really too many.
Getting +2 for a market and a resource on a continent is not that much, since there are no continental bonuses.
From what I understand from the key, you would need to get the market, a resource and both ports on that southern continent to get the double armies.

Maybe the key just isn't clear enough?
It looks good to me though.

Gozar · Post by **Gozar** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 1:02 pm

lol

I type too slow it seems. :oops:

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 8:58 am

sorry i did not have time to do any modifications.
let's talk about the territories and their strategical value.
here is the current state of the continents and their important territories

Chugata Island (top left)

Market (Duna) - 1 terit distance from border
Iron Ore (R) (Ricota) - it's a border territory so hard to hold
Shells (R) (Reyes) - it's a border territory so hard to hold
Treasure (Rochas) - it's near 2 borders

Trezo Island (top center)

Market (Muarito) - it's near 1 border
Iron Ore (R) (Gurias) - it's near 1 border
Cattle (R) (Chamu) - it's near 2 borders
Treasure (Falta) - it's near 2 borders

Arlina Island (center right)

Market (Jorado) - it's near 2 borders
Iron Ore (R) (Parancas) - it's near 2 borders
Cattle (R) (Tiros) - it's near 1 border
Treasure (Capo Corto) - it's a border territory

Archipelago del Sol (center islands group)

Market (Tierra Dorata) - it's near 1 border
Shells (R) (Rompas) - it's near 1 border
Shells (R) (Gringo) - it's near 2 borders
Pirate Cove - 1 terit distance from border

Rollio (bottom left)

Market (Fajone) - it's a border territory
Iron Ore (R) (Chino) - it's near 2 borders
Alligator Skins (R) (Santiago) - it's a border territory
Treasure (Stucato) - it's a border territory

Garanda (bottom right)

Market (Povero) - it's near 2 borders
Alligator Skins (R) (Churacas) - it's a border territory
Treasure (Torillos) - it's near 2 borders
Cattle (R) (Garollia) - it's near 2 borders

here's the image.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:27 am

here are some changes:
* modified route from Puerto Allegre to Muarito (instead of Tiempo).
* moved Market from Fajone to Chino (bottom left)
* moved Iron Ore from Chino to Torales
* extended inpassable mountains and now Stucato is no longer a Border territory
* deleted Puerto Tranquillo to Huaretas Route
* moved Market from Povero to Huaretas (bottom right)
* removed puerto modesto to Capo Longo route
* moved colato to puerto tranquillo and vice versa (center archipelago)
* moved the market from Tierra Dorata to the new Colato. (center archipelago)
* modified route from Santiago to Puerto Esperanza (instead of Reyes)
* moved market from Jorado to Solitud (center right)
* modified route from Capo Corto to Puerto Modesto (instead of Tombi)
* moved market from Muarito to Manchia (top central)
* moved iron ore from Gurias to Muarito (top central)

now each continent has 3 borders instead of 4 and the rearrangement of resources and markets should balance the gameplay.
suggestions?

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:58 am

i honestly think that progress is amazing but the unpassable boundry looks a bit out of place cant quite work out why

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:05 am

maybe because it's as bright as the resources icons?
should i make it blend with the background? :roll:

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:07 am

yeah try it

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:10 am

here you go:

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:12 am

much better that is brilliant

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 11:16 am

ok guys bring it on

more feedback needed. $\:D/$

mibi · Post by **mibi** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:11 pm

i think its too light, and should look older, like this. just an idea.

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:14 pm

yep i like the darker older aspect but people demanded it to be lighter and lighter until i got to the current image.

Anarkistsdream · Post by **Anarkistsdream** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:17 pm

I would like to see the continent colors a little bit thicker, as they seem awfully pale and hard to see on certain monitors... Not mine, mind you, but I'm sure people with older, faded CRTs might be screwed...

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:30 pm

ok. i got 2 more feedbaks, if there are others that wish these changes (darker older image and thicker continent outlines) i'll implement them

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:50 pm

yep i concur...darker image is more in line with the theme your tring to create

Lone.prophet · Post by **Lone.prophet** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 12:53 pm

the visuals are very messy try to clean it up a bit, simplefy it a bit