World 2.0/1 Map [Quenched]

Kahless · Post by **Kahless** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 10:16 am

Have you got Hawaii? It's also part of Oceania

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:21 am

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=273450

you don't have hawai

GeneralN20 · Post by **GeneralN20** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:43 am

You should add a bonus for holding Antarctica.

I like that idea. Giving it a bonus of 2 would really make it more interesting to hold. Adding to it that the bonus wouldn't be big enough for the player to base himself solely on Antartica.

Shaninon · Post by **Shaninon** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 12:08 pm

Oh geeze! Thanks! I guess I just expected Hawaii to be part of North America -.-;;; *dim*

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 2:26 pm

Shaninon wrote: *dim*

you called me?? :shock:

Shaninon · Post by **Shaninon** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:21 pm

I wasn't trying to, sorry! >.<

DiM · Post by **DiM** » Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:07 pm

Shaninon wrote:I wasn't trying to, sorry! >.<

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 5:58 am

Nigeria/Chad Sudan/Libya borders? Kinda unclear to me...

zim · Post by **zim** » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:31 am

GeneralN20 wrote:
You should add a bonus for holding Antarctica.

I like that idea. Giving it a bonus of 2 would really make it more interesting to hold. Adding to it that the bonus wouldn't be big enough for the player to base himself solely on Antartica.

This was discussed extensively in the orginal World 2.0 thread and has been addressed in this thread as well. I'm not prepared to change the fundamentals of the map, the intent here is just to clean up minor glitches that have become apparent through play testing.

Gilligan wrote:Nigeria/Chad Sudan/Libya borders? Kinda unclear to me...

Gilligan, I've seen no reports of confusion surrounding this area and they are a (reasonably) accurate reflection of the actual country borders. Given my goal of trying to balance authenticity and playabilty I think they work as they are.

Cheers,

Zim

lackattack · Post by **lackattack** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:13 pm

Hi Zim,

I reviewed your xml and the mapmaker tool found what looks like a bug:

Warning: Sulawesi has Sumatra as a border, but not vice versa

Asides from that, it will be easy to convert all existing World 2.0 games to World 2.1 which is what I'd like to do once this is quenched.

Thanks for all your hard work!

lt_oddball · Post by **lt_oddball** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 12:21 pm

Historically, geographically and logistically (trade) I find Borneo closer to Java than to Sumatra.

I don't know what the game implications are , but if you want to be more world accurate than that should be the better border link.
(Borneo to Java and not Borneo to Sumatra).

My 2 cents..

PS and yes Antarctica should also yield a continent bonus (of 2).
People have to go through the trouble of conquering it..so it should give a bonus.

Cheers

zim · Post by **zim** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 12:12 pm

lackattack wrote:Hi Zim,

I reviewed your xml and the mapmaker tool found what looks like a bug:

Warning: Sulawesi has Sumatra as a border, but not vice versa

Asides from that, it will be easy to convert all existing World 2.0 games to World 2.1 which is what I'd like to do once this is quenched.

Thanks for all your hard work!

Thanks Lack, here's a corrected version...

http://www.zims.com/blog/images/w21v7.xml
http://www.zims.com/blog/images/w21v6large.png
http://www.zims.com/blog/images/w21v6small.png

Cheers,

Zim

boberz · Post by **boberz** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 4:32 pm

no antartica bonus: not like real life (till they exploit the oil)
dont need another hotly contested area
gameplay must stay similar (imo) to whatit is now this would unbalance hte north from the south more than it already is

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Sun Mar 18, 2007 9:14 pm

lt_oddball wrote:Historically, geographically and logistically (trade) I find Borneo closer to Java than to Sumatra.

I don't know what the game implications are , but if you want to be more world accurate than that should be the better border link.
(Borneo to Java and not Borneo to Sumatra).

My 2 cents..

PS and yes Antarctica should also yield a continent bonus (of 2).
People have to go through the trouble of conquering it..so it should give a bonus.

Cheers

I'm not really going to say that these ideas are good or bad, but this is just an update of a map that's already in play. You can't really make drastic changes to it. Right or wrong, the time for discussing that has passed.

lackattack · Post by **lackattack** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 9:50 pm

World 2.1 is up!

It can take up to an hour for the older game logs to be updated.

Thanks again to everyone that helped out.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:01 pm

Kickass! Now I gotta wait for one of my games to end...

AlexTheGreat2 · Post by **AlexTheGreat2** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 10:48 pm

I'm not complaining but is there any way that this sort of update can be done without effecting games already in progress? Add it as a totally new map or something?

I kinda got screwed twice here, once by thinking I could go Borneo->sumatra and missing out on the continent there in 2.0 and so at the end I moved my armies to sorong and now next turn I can't use them against blue because they fixed it!

http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=275185#gmtop

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 3:57 pm

There was a way to make it not effect on going games, but it causes more headaches in the long run. The quick switch which we employed was the best option we had.

--Andy

Samus · Post by **Samus** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:21 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:There was a way to make it not effect on going games, but it causes more headaches in the long run. The quick switch which we employed was the best option we had.

--Andy

I'm curious why you couldn't just make 2.1 a brand new map, and remove 2.0 from the game starter. They'd technically be two different maps, 2.0 would still exist but it would be impossible to start a new 2.0 map that wasn't already going.

AndyDufresne · Post by **AndyDufresne** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 4:50 pm

That way makes things messy in the long run. That's why we went with the quicker route.

--Andy

wrightfan123 · Post by **wrightfan123** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:33 pm

Well, not fatal, but I've discovered that you can actually hold both Europe and Asia for 30 armies and have to defend less places than having to hold Asia for only 18!

WidowMakers · Post by **WidowMakers** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:40 pm

That may be true but did you also know that you can hold the entire map except Antarctica and only need to defend 3 boarders!!!!!

By the time anyone has all of Europe and Asia, the game is over or the other players have NA and SA.

It is not an error. It is the way the map is. You could look at it in 2 ways. On the Classic map if you have Australia you only need to defend 1 territory. But if you own the entire map EXCEPT Australia you only need to defend 1 territory.

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 5:52 pm

WidowMakers wrote:That may be true but did you also know that you can hold the entire map except Antarctica and only need to defend 3 boarders!!!!!

By the time anyone has all of Europe and Asia, the game is over or the other players have NA and SA.

It is not an error. It is the way the map is. You could look at it in 2 ways. On the Classic map if you have Australia you only need to defend 1 territory. But if you own the entire map EXCEPT Australia you only need to defend 1 territory.

i always win when i got africa or south america (then i concer the other one or i concer autrailia and i've won)

Gilligan · Post by **Gilligan** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:15 pm

I just noticed, it still says "Venezuala" on the XML, and "Venezuela" on the map.

zim · Post by **zim** » Tue Mar 20, 2007 7:30 pm

Gilligan wrote:I just noticed, it still says "Venezuala" on the XML, and "Venezuela" on the map.

Venezuela (the map version) is the proper english spelling.

Lack/Andy,

One of you want to do a search and replace on the XML or should I?

Cheers,

Zim

World 2.0/1 Map [Quenched]

Borneo closer tied to Java than to Sumatra

Re: Borneo closer tied to Java than to Sumatra

Fatal Flaw in World 2.1!