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[aage]

vote freezie
I'm not buying the insane cop theory. At. All.

[freezie]

I know I am NOT insane. I am paranoid. but nice try Aage. And you're just trying to push a quick lynch for you to win. You ''didn't buy'' cena's claim only to protect your scum buddy, right?

vote: aage

[spiesr]

Well, I can reasonably see this game having a sane cop and a worthless one. And it does seem slightly odd the freezie would list a scumbuddy in the list of names he claimed to be scum in an attempt to end the game and lynch or lose. I mean what if people had for some reason decided to go against his precedent of hitting duday first? That could have screwed over the entire strategy. On the other hand it would have offered good evidence towards his claim being true, and he could likely have won the next day if that happened. Anyhow, it seems possible that he figured the town would just follow the person he voted for first. And by town I mean the one person who would have to vote before the scum could just pile on and win.

As for freezie vs aage right now, it seems unlikely that they would both be scum at this point.
1. Why would they suddenly go after each other on the last new last day when the most likely outcome from that would be that one of them gets lynched?
2. The final vote count was: duday53(4)-freezie, cena, aage, ???
If they were both scum that would mean that the only people who voted for duday were all scum. That doesn't work out.

So it seems that only one, or none, of freezie and aage are scum right now. At this point we have to hope that one of them is, or this day will end very quickly again...

While I have some sort of idea what you might say, I am going to need aage to claim. And must also ask him what his reasoning behind this was:

I'm going to get him killed... Nothing for you to stop it...
vote duday

Fircoal and AceArtemis, don't try to slink into the background on this now. My logic seems to indicate that at least one of you is scum, so I suggest that you try to convince which one of you it is...

[aage]

I can't claim as it destroys my powers. That's all I'll say for now.

[spiesr]

If I were to deduce your power, and then ask you to deny it if I was wrong would that break your powers as well?

[aage]

If I were to deduce your power, and then ask you to deny it if I was wrong would that break your powers as well?

I've been thinking about ways to go around this restriction, but Colton specifically told me that if I claimed, I would lose my power. Still, since it would seem odd to ask people to take a guess at my role I decided not to aks for it right in the open.

Still, I left clues. At least one very obviously.

[AceArtemis]

First off, Don't vote unless you want the person you voted for lynched. We don't want the mafia to quickhammer and win. If we just want to force a claim, we should have multiple people FoS, so that person will know they should claim.

aage is obviously the secret double voter. I know this because I gave colton that exact role in one of the games I modded, with the exact same condition that he would lose his secret vote once he claimed. Though it is possible that colton put the secret doublevoter in the mafia, I believe aage is town because there is nothing to suggest that the two mafias are asymmetrical. (Claw was Godfather, Roleblocker, and Janitor, and since we saw that one of the Streets was a Roleblocker, I'm guessing the other two are Godfather and Janitor). Also, the game would be over if aage was a mafia secret double-voter, since the mafia would quickly put 3 votes on a townie to end the game.

It seems plausible that there is both a reliable cop and an unreliable cop in this game, especially after colton revealed that duday wasn't just a cop, he was a sane cop. That implies that there is some other cop in this game that is not sane.

That being said, here's my current color-coded scum list:
AceArtemis (I know I am town)
aage Probably Secret Double-Voter, Very Likely Town
freezie Claimed Paranoid Cop
spieser Unknown
Fircoal Unknown

aage and freezie, please unvote before the mafia quickhammers and wins. I will need to re-read to see if spiesr or Fircoal is more scummy.

[spiesr]

aage is obviously the secret double voter.

This is the conclusion that I had come to.

It seems plausible that there is both a reliable cop and an unreliable cop in this game, especially after colton revealed that duday wasn't just a cop, he was a sane cop. That implies that there is some other cop in this game that is not sane.

Of course it is also possible that there is only one cop but that colton purposely wanted to have that cop be unsure of his sanity, but then confirmed it after he died. This confuses me to some extent. Wouldn't the standard practice to be to not reveal the sanity of the cop who died? This leaves any investigations they may have mentioned to not be confirmed after the cop's death so the survivors have to determine his sanity on their own. Revealing it also makes it a lot easier for any additional cops to determine their own sanity as it would be unlikely for two cops to have the same sanity.

That being said, here's my current color-coded scum list:
AceArtemis (I know I am town)
aage Probably Secret Double-Voter, Very Likely Town
freezie Claimed Paranoid Cop
spieser Unknown
Fircoal Unknown

The flaw in this list is that, according to my own list, at least one of the first three people at the top of your has to be scum.

Just thought of a potential, arguably very cheap, tactic that could be used to help tell scum from town. Of course this tactic could also backfire and lead us to make incorrect conclusions if it doesn't work out just right. The midday event. At least some of the town players and scum sent Colton responses to choices that determined how it played out. In theory if the scum's choices were not the same as the town's choices for that event then we could possibly catch a scum if they are forced to tell us their choices and they are not the same as the choices that were offered to townies. Of course, this only works one about one person, at best. As soon as someone mentions the "correct" choices then any scum asked after that will be able to same the same thing. So basically we ask one person what choices they were given for the event. If they give something different then what the other townies received then we may have caught a scum. If they give the same choices then they are either town, or they received enough info to determine what the townie choices were. If they have some sort of other response then we don't know what to make of it.

[AceArtemis]

Just thought of a potential, arguably very cheap, tactic that could be used to help tell scum from town. Of course this tactic could also backfire and lead us to make incorrect conclusions if it doesn't work out just right. The midday event. At least some of the town players and scum sent Colton responses to choices that determined how it played out. In theory if the scum's choices were not the same as the town's choices for that event then we could possibly catch a scum if they are forced to tell us their choices and they are not the same as the choices that were offered to townies. Of course, this only works one about one person, at best. As soon as someone mentions the "correct" choices then any scum asked after that will be able to same the same thing. So basically we ask one person what choices they were given for the event. If they give something different then what the other townies received then we may have caught a scum. If they give the same choices then they are either town, or they received enough info to determine what the townie choices were. If they have some sort of other response then we don't know what to make of it.

This sounds like a good idea, though there are some problems with it. The below quote leads me to believe that not everyone had choices to make. Also, some townies' options may be different than others, depending on their role.

If you get a pm from me you have 24 hours to send me a reply.

[colton24]

Vote Count
freezie(2)-aage, ???
aage(1)-freezie

Not Voting: AceArtemis, freezie

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

[aage]

Don't vote unless you want the person you voted for lynched.

Very well.

Unvote vote chu

[aage]

Vote Count
freezie(2)-aage, ???
aage(1)-freezie

Not Voting: AceArtemis, freezie

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

also this is making 0 sense since Fircoal and Spiesr are also alive but not on this list. Suspicious.

[aage]

Note: *is number of strikes, and purple means they are away
Alive N Kicking


4. aage


8. freezie

10. Fircoal
11. AceArtemis
12. spieser
Dead N Limpin:
Lieutenant Parker Yant-NPC backup cop killed in pre-game scene
Joe Capo-NPC backup godfather killed in pre-game scene
Jake Mason-NPC backup godfather killed in pre-game scene
Bob Hall-NPC witness killed in pre-game scene
6. sensfan***-Don Capo-The Claw-Mafia Godfather modkilled Day 1 for 3 strikes and posting deliquency
2. lalaland-Frank-The Claw-Mafia Janitor lynched Day 1
1. edocsil-Hanid-Town Voteless Townie shot Night 1
7. oldrisky44-Sam-Town Busdriver lynched Day 2
3. Victor Sullivan-Lumbar-The Claw-Mafia Roleblocker shot Night 2
9. Duday53-Matthais-Town Sane Cop lynched Day 3
5. cena-rules-Bob-Street Foes-Mafia Roleblocker killed Day 3 in Attack

2 of 5 is scum.

Apperantly Freezie is the paranoid cop, meaning that either Spiesr, Fircoal or Ace are scum (2 of these 3).

Means we have 66% of getting a scum. Even if Freezie is not the paranoid cop (since it's such a damn easy claim, although Duday's full role does kind of confirm the existance of a second cop) I have 50% chance of hitting scum. I voted Chu because I feel the strongest scumdar with him, he hasn't posted today yet and the other two seem to be helping town enough for me to be taking the risk at the moment...
I'm not saying anything about how many votes now are on Fircoal...

[spiesr]

there is nothing to suggest that the two mafias are asymmetrical. (Claw was Godfather, Roleblocker, and Janitor, and since we saw that one of the Streets was a Roleblocker, I'm guessing the other two are Godfather and Janitor).

Something interesting here. While it appears that both scum factions would have a janitor, all of those killed at night so far have had their full role revealed, exactly what janitors stop. While this makes complete sense for anyone killed victor (i.e. edocsil) since his group lost theirs day 1. It raises questions about how if the Street Foes have a janitor why was victor not janitored when he was killed? Do they have some other role instead of a janitor, or was it blocked or something?

[AceArtemis]

there is nothing to suggest that the two mafias are asymmetrical. (Claw was Godfather, Roleblocker, and Janitor, and since we saw that one of the Streets was a Roleblocker, I'm guessing the other two are Godfather and Janitor).

Something interesting here. While it appears that both scum factions would have a janitor, all of those killed at night so far have had their full role revealed, exactly what janitors stop. While this makes complete sense for anyone killed victor (i.e. edocsil) since his group lost theirs day 1. It raises questions about how if the Street Foes have a janitor why was victor not janitored when he was killed? Do they have some other role instead of a janitor, or was it blocked or something?

The janitor is likely to be something similar to my version of the janitor instead of the standard mafia janitor. In the same game I gave colton the secret doublevoter, I had a town janitor that could, at anytime during the game, take a dead person's role and win condition. However, since this game wouldn't be balanced if the mafia janitors could just become town, I'm guessing that the mafia janitors can just take a dead person's ability and not the win condition.

By the way, Fircoal should probably claim if he wants to avoid my vote. *Hint Hint*

(Or post something at all)...

[colton24]

Vote Count
aage(1)-freezie
Fircoal(1)-aage

Not Voting: AceArtemis, spiesr, Fircoal, ???

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch

[AceArtemis]

I found it interesting that both spiesr and me deduced that aage had the secret vote, and could reasonably expect the secret vote to be used on Freezie. Yet no one hammered. This increases the probability that Freezie is scum, since if Freezie is town, the mafia would want to hammer and win, and it is very likely that either me or spiesr would have hammered.

[Fircoal]

I am very confused about this. It seems out of the new day everyone is pointing fingers at me, and honestly I have no idea why. Everyone is saying about how their scumdar thinks that I'm scummier but they haven't posted anything about it.

Anyway since it seems my butt is on the block I'll have to claim. I'm Phil the Doctor. The first night I protected Victor as I thought he was the cop, and the second night I protected aage.

[Fircoal]

I found it interesting that both spiesr and me deduced that aage had the secret vote, and could reasonably expect the secret vote to be used on Freezie. Yet no one hammered. This increases the probability that Freezie is scum, since if Freezie is town, the mafia would want to hammer and win, and it is very likely that either me or spiesr would have hammered.

That's because if you guys were wrong then it'd be pretty telling that you were scum.

[AceArtemis]

Fircoal, who do YOU think is most likely to be mafia?

[Fircoal]

Fircoal, who do YOU think is most likely to be mafia?

Probably you and Freezie.

[spiesr]

Interesting claim there Fircoal.
My role is Dr. Ashton Town Doctor. My actions were victor night 1 and aage night 2.
My pm explicitly mentioned that I do not know my sanity. It seems to me that I am sane, but without knowing more it is hard to rule out any possibilities apart from possibly insane.

Could Colton have put two doctors with different sanities in this game? Possibly do I think this is the case? Not really. I will wait to hear more before I cast my vote though...

[Fircoal]

Interesting claim there Fircoal.
My role is Dr. Ashton Town Doctor. My actions were victor night 1 and aage night 2.
My pm explicitly mentioned that I do not know my sanity. It seems to me that I am sane, but without knowing more it is hard to rule out any possibilities apart from possibly insane.

Could Colton have put two doctors with different sanities in this game? Possibly do I think this is the case? Not really. I will wait to hear more before I cast my vote though...

Considering that he put that in, I have the feelings that one of us is probably a quack, or a sanity that got lucky on the kill end. That or you're scum.

[AceArtemis]

So many doctor claims... I am Veers, Town Elite Bodyguard. Would colton put two doctors and an elite bodyguard in the same game?

My actions:
Fircoal N1 (At this point, I didn't even know Victor had claimed, because I had skimmed past that part when I started to actually play the game on page 9 or so)
Aage N2 (Funny how we all chose the same person)

During the special Day Scene, I guarded the front door.

[spiesr]

During the special Day Scene, I guarded the front door.

Interesting, did anyone else do so?