eliaselef and katsoulas - fog of war cheats[Noted]e84

[CommieKiller]

Accused:

[player]eliaselef[/player]
[player]katsoulas[/player]




The accused are suspected of:


Conducting Secret Diplomacy



Game number(s):

Game 7600702




Comments:
Terminator fog of war game on Peloponnesian War board. Early in game, most are sitting still stockpiling. eliaselef is stumbling around taking out a nuetral or two with each turn when he lands beside my stockpile of 42, which he continues to attack my stockpile down to 19 and depleting himself down to 5.

Before I get to take my turn, katsoulas takes his turn who had also been stockpilng. Only now he decides to smash through 4 neutrals as if on a mission to get somewhere. He ends up beside my remaining 19 and eliaselef's 5, to which he continues knocking my 19 down to 4 and himself to 5.

So when I had ended my previous turn, I had 42 troops with only neutrals beside me. Now I have 4 trapped in a corner by both katsoulas and eliaselef who do not attack each other.

Unusual move by katsoulas, a major. Charging blindly through the fog then coincidently landing right beside the two of us then sacrificing his troops to save eliaselef's life.

Looking at their profiles I see they are countrymen who joined 3 days apart. I also notice they have played 52 games with each other mostly all as fog of war doubles partners. With the Peloponnesian War being one of their favorite boards.

There is no doubt to me these two are in communication with each other using fog of war games to get an advantage. I hope something can be done about these two because I do not pay real money to play a game that I'm going to be cheated at.

Thank you for your time.

[eddie2]

i know these are before but before they are deleted. and i cant speak greek so there might be somthing in there.

ti ginetai re palikari!! Pws eftases ekei xamw???

by katsoulas
on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:17 pm

re su ela sto chat ligo

by katsoulas
on Sun May 30, 2010 9:36 pm

Pws paei to zari re paidi??? emena me katevazei akoma!!

by katsoulas
on Sat May 29, 2010 3:43 pm

Pou sai re! Douleia??

by katsoulas
on Wed May 12, 2010 10:48 pm

ti ginetai re file?

by katsoulas
on Sun May 09, 2010 9:23 pm

ααα δε σε βρισκω πθνα παω για υπνο φιλε δν αντεχώ

by katsoulas
on Sun May 09, 2010 1:43 am

ελα ρε,σου εγραψα κ εν το βλεπεισ. απο κντ ειμαι. ολα καλα ετσι?

by katsoulas
on Sun May 09, 2010 1:40 am

Paw na tin pesw file... Etsi ki alliws den exei eniaferon na paizw mazi sou re gamoto.. ti aksia exei na kleveis apo ekklisia..???? PP

by katsoulas
on Sat May 08, 2010 12:56 am

Ela steilena invitation, na kanoume mia maxh kai na thn pesw giati de thn palevw....

by katsoulas
on Fri May 07, 2010 11:29 pm

file, prin paikseis pare me ena til gia to peloponesian... an prosekseis tha katalaveis ti paw na kanw. vale mou enisxuseis ekei kai nomizw einai diko mas to paixnidi

by katsoulas
on Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:38 pm

[Arama86n]

Sure sounds mighty suspicious.
If someone can get that Greek translated we may not have to speculate though, they may have incriminated themselves.

[jefjef]

They play team games together and are cheap tactic specialists. They earned a foe from their cheap missed turn deploy crap in this game. Game 7650254

This complaint/tactic in terminator is not a surprise. They have been in 52 games together.

[CommieKiller]

eddie2, I don't know what those say either but you missed one.

eeeeeeeeep vale skype

by katsoulas
on Sun Apr 18, 2010 1:54 pm

I don't need a translator for skype though.

[katsoulas]

i know these are before but before they are deleted. and i cant speak greek so there might be somthing in there.

ti ginetai re palikari!! Pws eftases ekei xamw???
Whats up man! How did u get down there?

by katsoulas
on Sun Jun 06, 2010 10:17 pm

re su ela sto chat ligo
hey, come to chat to talk a bit

by katsoulas
on Sun May 30, 2010 9:36 pm

Pws paei to zari re paidi??? emena me katevazei akoma!!
How is dice mate? it s getting me down still!

by katsoulas
on Sat May 29, 2010 3:43 pm

Pou sai re! Douleia??
where are u? Work?

by katsoulas
on Wed May 12, 2010 10:48 pm

ti ginetai re file?
Whats up mate?

by katsoulas
on Sun May 09, 2010 9:23 pm

ααα δε σε βρισκω πθνα παω για υπνο φιλε δν αντεχώ
oohh i cant find u anywhere, i go to sleep mate, i cant stand anymore

by katsoulas
on Sun May 09, 2010 1:43 am

ελα ρε,σου εγραψα κ εν το βλεπεισ. απο κντ ειμαι. ολα καλα ετσι?
hey, i wrote to u but u didn t see, i m from mobile, is everything ok?

by katsoulas
on Sun May 09, 2010 1:40 am

Paw na tin pesw file... Etsi ki alliws den exei eniaferon na paizw mazi sou re gamoto.. ti aksia exei na kleveis apo ekklisia..???? PP
i ll go to sleep mate, either way it s not interesting to play with u, it s like stealing from a church.. PP

by katsoulas
on Sat May 08, 2010 12:56 am

Ela steilena invitation, na kanoume mia maxh kai na thn pesw giati de thn palevw....
cmon i sent u invitation, lets battle once and i go to sleep, its late

by katsoulas
on Fri May 07, 2010 11:29 pm

file, prin paikseis pare me ena til gia to peloponesian... an prosekseis tha katalaveis ti paw na kanw. vale mou enisxuseis ekei kai nomizw einai diko mas to paixnidi
mate, before u play, call me for peloponesian game... if u notice u will see what i m doing. Reinforce me there and i think the game is ours

by katsoulas
on Fri Apr 23, 2010 10:38 pm

As it is obvious, we are both friends. Actually i showed eliaselef the game and we both decided to buy premium last april.
From then on, I played like 500 games and more, eliaselef 1000+.
I seen there is suspicious for our 52 games together.
Well it is just under 1 out of 10 for me and 1 out of 20for eliaselef, is it weird? I think it s less than normal for two persons who are friends.
Apart from that, these 52 consist of:
- 11 that are 1v1 (most of our chat i translated above, is from these, if I recall right - MG these dialogs are from May)
- 22 that are doubles
- 14 that are terminator (all of them, with 5 players and more)
- 2 that are triples
- and a couple of standards more (3 i think)

So what exactly are we accused for???
for the 22 doubles games? is it bad?
for the fact that we know each other?
for secret diplomacy? where is it?
for cheap tactics? The game that jefjef stated is a doubles game. We played bad ok, i missed turnn, not by purpose, apologies, but we were team, we couldnt cheat anyone.

The only accusation i see standing is these 14 terminator games!
Ok if u think we made ranking out of these by cooperating, we cannot prove otherwise, then delete us.
But if u take a closer look u will see in many of them us eliminating each other, even early in the game.
And then, there is also the analogy: about 1 out of 50 for me, and 1 out of 100 for eliaselef

From my side what i would liketo state is that CommieKiller is insulting and flaming, I wouldnt do a formal accusation on that.
But anyone can see that easily.
Me and eliaselef are simple and polite tohim and he even insults our nationality.
What is funny is his last words :
"2010-10-06 06:25:06 - CommieKiller: but if you want me to insult your nationality it would be like shooting fish in a barrel"
where he cannot admit that he did insult us calling me an asshole and the us "These 2 Greek douche bags ".

it is provoking, especially now, that our country, is in all this economic mess, and internationally discrase, due to political faults, and we greek citizens are to pay for the games of politicians, domestic and international ones.

No hard feelings mate, each one of us shows level of civilization.

BTW: I admire and respect Canada as a country.

[greenoaks]

by katsoulas
on Sun May 09, 2010 1:40 am

Paw na tin pesw file... Etsi ki alliws den exei eniaferon na paizw mazi sou re gamoto.. ti aksia exei na kleveis apo ekklisia..???? PP
i ll go to sleep mate, either way it s not interesting to play with u, it s like stealing from a church.. PP

[hairy potter]

if a c&a report has recieved support from jefjef then it's probably safe to say that it's of dubious merit

see his recent wasting of everyone's time by reporting me, in a case where i was cleared


in other news, this looks suspiciously like a 'sore loser' thread and not a 'genuine problem' thread. thankyougoodnight

[eddie2]

if a c&a report has recieved support from jefjef then it's probably safe to say that it's of dubious merit

see his recent wasting of everyone's time by reporting me, in a case where i was cleared


in other news, this looks suspiciously like a 'sore loser' thread and not a 'genuine problem' thread. thankyougoodnight

hairy p you have not been on site for long. But there is a comon ground here that if you have a real life friend play on this site you stick 2 team games and 1 v 1s staying away from multi player games due 2 you will end up favouring or being accused of it.

this thread the player has a right 2 ? the game play.

[hairy potter]

'common ground' doesn't sound like a rule. sounds like a courtesy.

[eddie2]

yes it is a courtesy but if you look at the game play there might not be discussing it but a favouring on player out of 3-8 this kind of play gets players blocked from each other.

[CommieKiller]

Hello Katsoulas.

If you hadn't foed me you would have read in game chat in response to eliaselef's defense that yes, the fact that it is terminator is the reason for the issue. As well as being fog of war where no one can see what your doing.

2010-10-04 20:41:00 - eliaselef: do you think that we want to play together and after that we want to kill each other.

See game 7195255 to see eliaselef is lying.


Kats, you defended you weren't cheating because I was still alive. Not mentioning I had no troops and no chance.
To this I did indeed call you an asshole.

Naming your nationality was to point out your from same country. Wouldn't have mattered what country you were from, would have inserted said country.

What your country is facing I am sure we will all be facing soon enough. I am not fool enough to laugh at someone going down, especially when I am in the same line.

I made no mention of your countries problems or said anything of your country.

But this display of over sensitivity of yours is nothing more then a distraction to the real issue of fair game play.

[theherkman]

People who don't speak English very well are guilty of whatever they are accused of. That's just the way it is...

This applies to ALMOST everyone who has posted in this thread.

Thank you and have a nice day!

~Grammar Nazi

[tkr4lf]

People who don't speak English very well are guilty of whatever they are accused of. That's just the way it is...

This applies to ALMOST everyone who has posted in this thread.

Thank you and have a nice day!

~Grammar Nazi

If you're going to be a grammar nazi, at least be a good one, and do not end a sentence with a preposition. (btw, I'm not a grammar nazi, so I don't really care one way or the other.)

[theherkman]

Ah, you see, I sat in thought for a good five minutes thinking about how to best word that sentence. Alas... I was not able to say it without ending the sentence in a preposition.

[eye84free]

I am unable to translate what was written on there walls. It doesnt appear to be greek. Then again I might be wrong. Also after looking at the game and others I am unable to say with certainty that there was any Secret Diplomacy going on here. So therefore for now I will note this for future referance.

Sorry for the delay.