1 in 5 Americans believe Obama is Muslim

[alex951]

This just in: people that don't regularly attend church aren't Christians.

Um... some would say that's actually true.

And I agree with Alex - who cares if the man is Muslim or not? All that should matter are his policies, which is why this is a weird thread.

very weird indeed

[Phatscotty]

This just in: people that don't regularly attend church aren't Christians.

Um... some would say that's actually true.

And I agree with Alex - who cares if the man is Muslim or not? All that should matter are his policies, which is why this is a weird thread.

Would it matter if he lied about it?

Would it matter if he were a Muslim, but took the Presidential oath on a Bible?

[thegreekdog]

This just in: people that don't regularly attend church aren't Christians.

Um... some would say that's actually true.

And I agree with Alex - who cares if the man is Muslim or not? All that should matter are his policies, which is why this is a weird thread.

Would it matter if he lied about it?

Would it matter? Maybe, because he told a lie. But I don't really care about that, because, again, it's about his policies, not him. For example, I didn't care that Clinton banged his intern or that he lied about it. All I cared about were his policies. Although, in the interest of full disclosure, I did care that he lied about it while under oath while being a licensed attorney... and got preferential treatment because he was the president. I just didn't care that much.

Here's a question for you - would you rather have a practicing Muslim or an atheist as president, all other things being equal?

[InkL0sed]

If you elect me, Slobama, as President, I promise to be Muslim as often as possible.

[Phatscotty]

This just in: people that don't regularly attend church aren't Christians.

Um... some would say that's actually true.

And I agree with Alex - who cares if the man is Muslim or not? All that should matter are his policies, which is why this is a weird thread.

Would it matter if he lied about it?

Would it matter? Maybe, because he told a lie. But I don't really care about that, because, again, it's about his policies, not him. For example, I didn't care that Clinton banged his intern or that he lied about it. All I cared about were his policies. Although, in the interest of full disclosure, I did care that he lied about it while under oath while being a licensed attorney... and got preferential treatment because he was the president. I just didn't care that much.

Here's a question for you - would you rather have a practicing Muslim or an atheist as president, all other things being equal?

yes, but (totally theoretical. I dont think hes a Muslim.) If he lied about his religion, does that mean he probably is going to lie about his policies too?

I didn't care about Clinton either.

If I had to pick, atheist, being that I am not mystical in the first place

[thegreekdog]

This just in: people that don't regularly attend church aren't Christians.

Um... some would say that's actually true.

And I agree with Alex - who cares if the man is Muslim or not? All that should matter are his policies, which is why this is a weird thread.

Would it matter if he lied about it?

Would it matter? Maybe, because he told a lie. But I don't really care about that, because, again, it's about his policies, not him. For example, I didn't care that Clinton banged his intern or that he lied about it. All I cared about were his policies. Although, in the interest of full disclosure, I did care that he lied about it while under oath while being a licensed attorney... and got preferential treatment because he was the president. I just didn't care that much.

Here's a question for you - would you rather have a practicing Muslim or an atheist as president, all other things being equal?

yes, but (totally theoretical. I dont think hes a Muslim.) If he lied about his religion, does that mean he probably is going to lie about his policies too?

I didn't care about Clinton either.

I think politicians lie about their policies all the time, whether or not they lie about the religious affiliation. So, again, doesn't really affect my line of thinking.

For example, I'm still waiting for President Obama to push forward with tax credits and cut spending (which he promised to do in his State of the Union). I suspect he lied about doing that, but I took his speech with a grain of salt anyway.

[Phatscotty]

my answer was atheist

[tzor]

We can try this again if you want.

Maybe Obama is the president of the United States of America. Conceivably security concerns may have been voiced. Possibly he has a full schedule and potentially important business to attend to.

So let me try my rebuttal in the same color coded scheme, (for the intelectually challenged).

Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter were both presidents of the United States of America. Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had the same security issues and had no troubles whatsoever. Obama spends most of his time, jetting to political stump speeches, golf courses, and vacation spots, don't give me this shit about how he has more "important business" than Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had.

In short, what part of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter don't you understand?

[rockfist]

I am one of the growing plurality of people who believe Obama is a dumb ass.

[Pedronicus]

only 4 in 5 Americans believe Obama is black

[BigBallinStalin]

He's not a Muslim. He just takes actions or makes comments which are anti-Israel.

Anti-Israel meaning asking them to do what they said they'd do in the 2002 "Roadmap to Peace?" Interesting.

Perhaps you missed the whole series of terrorist attacks against Israel in 2003. You do know that the palestinian authority was supposed to stop those kinds of things as a condition of the Roadmap that you so fondly admire. I guess the fact that those people (who supposedly want peace) voted in Hamas (official terrorist organization) as their majority in the parliament. Interesting that you also leave out that the road map really wasn't able to be applied because the palestinians weren't able to control their violent outbursts.

Obama supports UN initiative which singles out Israel for having nuclear weapons, but doesn't chide Iran for building theirs? wtf! Where was his support for Israel when they raided flotillas pretending to be carrying aid to Gaza? They had that f*cker stocked with weapons they were going to use to kill Israelis. But Obama wants them to end the blockade? He snubs Netanyahu during an official visit for a "private dinner".

YOu really blundered your way through this one, didn't you?

I'm gonna need 6 hours with a machete to chop through this mumbo-jumbo jungle of nonsense and propaganda pits.

Are you ready?

[thegreekdog]

only 4 in 5 Americans believe Obama is black

4 in 5 Americans are wrong. Since he's not black. He's half black, half white.

[rockfist]

He is all douche-bag though.

[BigBallinStalin]

He is all douche-bag though.

By being "all douche-bag," does that make even his clothes "douche-bag"?

Get your official douche-bag Presidential Edition Zoot Suits, the complete douch-bag set minus the President himself.

Interesting...

[MeDeFe]

We can try this again if you want.

Maybe Obama is the president of the United States of America. Conceivably security concerns may have been voiced. Possibly he has a full schedule and potentially important business to attend to.

So let me try my rebuttal in the same color coded scheme, (for the intelectually challenged).

Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter were both presidents of the United States of America. Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had the same security issues and had no troubles whatsoever. Obama spends most of his time, jetting to political stump speeches, golf courses, and vacation spots, don't give me this shit about how he has more "important business" than Presidents Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter had.

In short, what part of Bill Clinton and Jimmy Carter don't you understand?

Good! You're making progress. You're going off on a tangent towards the end and it's not immediately clear which person you're comparing to which, but I'll give you a C+ for making an honest effort. It could've been a B if you had told me why it's more important for someone to go to church than do their job president. Still, well done. Keep it up and one day you might be a great debater as well.

[heavycola]

He says he is a christian. Why are you calling him a liar? Are you a christian? Do you call all christians liars?

What part of Congressman Joe Wilson don't you get? If he was "Christian" you would think that after all this time he would have found a church in Washington DC to frequent. He hasn't.

Maybe Obama is the president of the United States of America. Conceivably security concerns may have been voiced. Possibly he has a full schedule and potentially important business to attend to.

No! Obama is teh secr3t muslim! The oval office has been rotated to face mecca! You never see michelle's real face because he makes her wear a fake plastic one!

Who gives a shit? He could be a marxist-satanist, doesn;t change the fact that his presidency - and therefore policies such as healthcare reform - has a popular mandate. It's called democracy. And in fact america goes one better here because freedom of religion is enshrined in your constitution. Unfortunately, freedom from head-slapping stupidity is not.

[bedub1]

I just read something about this. He is actually a Muslim.

"The seed of Islam is passed through the father like the seed of Judaism is passed through the mother. He was a born a Muslim, his father gave him an Islamic name."

He might not be a PRACTICING Muslim, and he might have turned against the faith and gone Christian, but I'm pretty sure he is still considered a Muslim....

[Timminz]

And there you have it folks.

[tzor]

only 4 in 5 Americans believe Obama is black

What's Black?

Obama is clearly African-American but is he black? That depends on what's black.

If you consider "black" as the term for native born descendents of Africans brought in to the United States through the slave trade, Obama ain't black. If you don't and use it as a general term fro African-American before the term was created, he is. Consider the following quote from the wikipedia definition of black people.

The term "African American" is preferred for public and formal use. The appropriateness of the term "African American" is further confused, however, by increases in African immigrants from Africa, the Caribbean and Latin America. The more recent African immigrants may sometimes view themselves, and be viewed, as culturally distinct from native descendants of African slaves.

The following interesting article from the NY Times was cited in the above quote.

This month, the debate spilled into public view when Alan Keyes, the black Republican challenger for the Senate seat in Illinois, questioned whether Mr. Obama, the keynote speaker at the Democratic National Convention, should claim an African-American identity.

''Barack Obama claims an African-American heritage,'' Mr. Keyes said on the ABC program ''This Week'' with George Stephanopoulos. ''Barack Obama and I have the same race -- that is, physical characteristics. We are not from the same heritage.''

''My ancestors toiled in slavery in this country,'' Mr. Keyes said. ''My consciousness, who I am as a person, has been shaped by my struggle, deeply emotional and deeply painful, with the reality of that heritage.''

[heavycola]

only 4 in 5 Americans believe Obama is black

What's Black?

Obama is clearly African-American but is he black? That depends on what's black.

If you consider "black" as the term for native born descendents of Africans brought in to the United States through the slave trade, Obama ain't black. If you don't and use it as a general term fro African-American before the term was created, he is.

Where would black people be without white people's categorisations? Probably out stealing cars or something.

[Snorri1234]

only 4 in 5 Americans believe Obama is black

What's Black?

Obama is clearly African-American but is he black? That depends on what's black.

If you consider "black" as the term for native born descendents of Africans brought in to the United States through the slave trade, Obama ain't black. If you don't and use it as a general term fro African-American before the term was created, he is.

Where would black people be without white people's categorisations? Probably out stealing cars or something.

or dealing them drugs.

[Phatscotty]

Obama is way more white than he is black.

[notyou2]

Hey, I have an idea.


Why don't we stop categorizing people by their skin colour.

[notyou2]

Obama is way more white than he is black.

In what ways do you mean? In the badly bradley kind of way, or a different way?

[Phatscotty]

Hey, I have an idea.


Why don't we stop categorizing people by their skin colour.

okay. good luck getting Obama re-elected without the "hispanic" vote and the "black" vote.

Your political philosophy depends on racial categorization to exist, so don't start giving us that crap.