Goodbye Conquer Club - Goodbye bad dice - GOODBYE STRESS

[Corporate_slave]

I'm SICK and TIRED of watching all of my armies being rendered USELESS by this RETARDED random dice roll file.

Or however the hell it works.


I'm done with Conquer Club. This is supposed to be fun, but all I do is get mad and bitch about the dice. I can no longer watch as 20 armies fall flat against 3 (without winning a SINGLE FUCKING ROLL.)

It happens ALL THE TIME... and I'm done with it.


Good luck with your site guys. I hope it works out for you.

[wicked]

psssst... it's just a game.

[XenHu]

I'm SICK and TIRED of watching all of my armies being rendered USELESS by this RETARDED random dice roll file.

Or however the hell it works.


I'm done with Conquer Club. This is supposed to be fun, but all I do is get mad and bitch about the dice. I can no longer watch as 20 armies fall flat against 3 (without winning a SINGLE FUCKING ROLL.)

It happens ALL THE TIME... and I'm done with it.


Good luck with your site guys. I hope it works out for you.

Bye..




Another one bites the dust...


-X

[Backglass]

The randomness pendulum does swing both ways. In one game I recently lost 10 rolls in a row (Thanks auto-attack!). In another, I just won 10 in a row (Thanks auto-attack!).

[Aries]

Ya same kinda thing with me backglass. but bye anyway corporate_slave

[detlef]

Now, if you were saying something to the effect of:

"Goodbye hours of scheming my next attack at the expense of thinking about anything else."

"Goodbye rushing to the computer like some junkie hoping to see that magical bolded dot next you your username."

Or any other myriad reasons why one (me?) might need to go cold turkey on this site, I'd hear you loud and clear. However, anyone who thinks that the dice are stacked against them is delusional and childish.

Have a nice life.

[HoustonNutt]

I don't think he's saying they are stacked "against him." He's saying that the dice are anything but random. Hell, how many times have you rolled and KNOWN that you weren't going to win the next roll? It's especially frustrating when 1 army takes out 5 or 6 of yours. The odds of that are not so great that it should be a common occurrence, but it is. I understand his frustration. There are days that I absolutely hate this game.

[boberz]

erm now u posted this why?

to raise attention to the issue with the dice u have...

or

to prove that your mental age is smaller than your real age...

or

to see how many friends you have...

or

to draw attention to urself so u have a feeling of self importnace...

all of these reasons are pointless because we knew about alll of them and the dice are random which is why your dice rolls do screw u up now and again but i be tu forget all the times u defended sooo well because you didnt even notice

[schmoozeinc]

$20 sez your back with in a month

[tahitiwahini]

all of these reasons are pointless because we knew about alll of them and the dice are random which is why your dice rolls do screw u up now and again but i be tu forget all the times u defended sooo well because you didnt even notice

That's a very important point (although I do sincerely wish you would favor us with a "yo" everytime you give us a "u" ).

How many of us check the game log so carefully to see that our opponent had 15 armies on Iceland before his turn and after attacking our lone army on Greenland had exactly one army remaining on Iceland at the end of his turn?

You can be pretty sure our opponent remembers those 7 spectacularly unsuccessful attacks, but it's at least conceivable that we don't even notice how heroically our lone Greenlander fought.

[hecter]

Good ridance. I sick of everybody complaining about the dice. THIS SHIT HAPPENS! That's the way it is. So suck it up, or leave and good ridance.

[Ishiro]

He's fed up with the dice after completing 8 games?

Wow...

[hecter]

I didn't bother to even check, but 8 games, dude, you didn't even give the game a chance.

[yukio]

yeah, i'm tired of the crybaby dice smack-talk too. if you won every roll it wouldn't be a game - what would be the point? i, like everyone else, have had some horrendous luck with the dice but thats just the nature of the beast. i also try to stay away from the "auto-suicide".... er, the auto-attack button as much as i can. if you are loosing rolls STOP rolling, try again with some reinforcements next round.

[MeDeFe]

I just went through some 140 armies with my 150 (+10 from the cards of the first player I took out), so they can't be THAT bad. I think I had less than 10 left after taking out the last army, so everything went according to the statisticians there.

[Hatchman]

"... hours of scheming my next attack at the expense of thinking about anything else."

"... rushing to the computer like some junkie hoping to see that magical bolded dot next you your username."

That describes me to a tee! But I aint givin up without a few dozen fights.

[Hatchman]

You gotta think of CC as Vegas. Most of the time you lose because the odds are stacked against you. But once in a while you hit it big. And it's impossible to ignore the rush.

[Smurf75]

I guess the odds are here somewhere on the site, but just to show them again.... You can do the math in your head I guess, but this guy did a program to calculate true odds.

In fact, the program I wrote does NOT do random dice rolls and calculate the result. Instead, the program finds the TRUE odds by doing a brute-force calculation. In other words, it calculates the results of all possible outcomes of the dice (there are a finite number of dice combinations and outcomes), then reports the precise odds of either the attacker or defender winning or losing.

Odds of winning various dice combinations in Risk
Attacker: one die; Defender: one die:

Attacker wins 15 out of 36 (41.67 %)
Defender wins 21 out of 36 (58.33 %)


Attacker: two dice; Defender: one die:

Attacker wins 125 out of 216 (57.87 %)
Defender wins 91 out of 216 (42.13 %)


Attacker: three dice; Defender: one die:

Attacker wins 855 out of 1296 (65.97 %)
Defender wins 441 out of 1296 (34.03 %)


Attacker: one die; Defender: two dice:

Attacker wins 55 out of 216 (25.46 %)
Defender wins 161 out of 216 (74.54 %)


Attacker: two dice; Defender: two dice:

Attacker wins both: 295 out of 1296 (22.76 %)
Defender wins both: 581 out of 1296 (44.83 %)
Both win one: 420 out of 1296 (32.41 %)


Attacker: three dice; Defender: two dice:

Attacker wins both: 2890 out of 7776 (37.17 %)
Defender wins both: 2275 out of 7776 (29.26 %)
Both win one: 2611 out of 7776 (33.58 %)

And the dice analyzer for my throws aint exactly, but pretty damn near those results. You dont even have 50% chance to take 2 of the defender with 3vs2, hell.. not even 40%.

It obvious that every once in a while these 8vs2 defeats occur.. even worse from time to time.

Just gotta warn about them 9vs3... they are cursed... thats where lackattack made his hack

[wicked]

You gotta think of CC as Vegas. Most of the time you lose because the odds are stacked against you. But once in a while you hit it big. And it's impossible to ignore the rush.

Niiiiice.

[RobinJ]

You gotta think of CC as Vegas. Most of the time you lose because the odds are stacked against you. But once in a while you hit it big. And it's impossible to ignore the rush.

I know exactly what you mean - not so long ago I went for a huge elimination but the odds were slightly in my favour. I got it down to my opponent's last territory but it was 2v2. So, rather than let the player be eliminated by someone else, I gambled and it paid off. In the long run it probably won me the game. Such a thrill!

But back to the topic in hand - why did this crybaby post here and after just 8 games!

[hecter]

But back to the topic in hand - why did this crybaby post here and after just 8 games!

That's why.

[Ishiro]

I think there is a natural hatred for the way dice work on the internet because people feel like they have no control... where as when they actually throw dice, they still have no control, but they FEEL like they have control.

Also, the idea that its a computer rolling the defender dice and not the defender himself... its a disassociation thing.

[tzor]

I haven't been playing here all that long. I have a RISK game on my laptop and I tend to yell more often at it because I think the computer opponents get better rolls than I do. Here I seem to find myself as much pleasently surrised as annoyingly dissapointed. But here it's different.

You see if the dice are bad for me they are probably bad for you, so it all balances out. If the dice are good for me they are probably good for you, so it also balances out. So far it seems to me that sometimes the magic works and sometimes it does not.

I think it was halfway in my second game when a got a few good rolls. "Oh BEEP, I did good." Followed by "Oh BEEP, I think I could win." Followed by "Oh BEEP, I just won!"

[max is gr8]

Oh well It's not as if we enjoyed you playing

[Davos]

Meh. I agree; seems the dice are against me at all the wrong moments, particularly when it appears that my opponents roll through me (excuse the pun) at whim. Having said that, i did just return from 2 territories left to I R WINNAH this morning; and the one roll that i really really needed to happen came through.

Out of curiosity though, why doesn't the website simple use a random number generator?