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Bruceswar wrote:Sorry my first game on this map... Ugh the southern bonuses are hard as hell to tell what goes with what. I find myself not being able to tell what is what. I am sure I am not the only one.
natty_dread wrote:Bruceswar wrote:Sorry my first game on this map... Ugh the southern bonuses are hard as hell to tell what goes with what. I find myself not being able to tell what is what. I am sure I am not the only one.
Actually yes you are.
What are you hoping to accomplish anyway? This map was in beta for a loooong time, nobody complained. Beta period is over, if you don't like the map nobody forces you to play it.
Bruceswar wrote:natty_dread wrote:Bruceswar wrote:Sorry my first game on this map... Ugh the southern bonuses are hard as hell to tell what goes with what. I find myself not being able to tell what is what. I am sure I am not the only one.
Actually yes you are.
What are you hoping to accomplish anyway? This map was in beta for a loooong time, nobody complained. Beta period is over, if you don't like the map nobody forces you to play it.
You failed to miss my point. I will just move along since you missed it. Anyhow, nobody said I do not like the map..
carlpgoodrich wrote:Bruceswar wrote:natty_dread wrote:Bruceswar wrote:Sorry my first game on this map... Ugh the southern bonuses are hard as hell to tell what goes with what. I find myself not being able to tell what is what. I am sure I am not the only one.
Actually yes you are.
What are you hoping to accomplish anyway? This map was in beta for a loooong time, nobody complained. Beta period is over, if you don't like the map nobody forces you to play it.
You failed to miss my point. I will just move along since you missed it. Anyhow, nobody said I do not like the map..
I have to say, Natty, that I do agree with him to some extent. I really like the map and I know it has been quenched. But, I have found that I have a big advantage over people who haven't played the map because they get confused. For example: Foroyar and Svalbard are not strictly part of any bonus region, but Aland, Gotland, and Bornholm are. For those three, the army circles cover the whole island and make it very hard tell if its color is close enough to the rest of the region to be included.
Another area of major confusion (much bigger in my experience) is when dotted lines connect to a city. Since they have the appearance of going under the city icon, many people think that they connect with the underlying territory, not the city. I have had games where people load up on Vesturland, for example, only to have me easily take their one on Reykjavik and break their bonus.
I know the map has been quenched and these concerns should have been made earlier (frankly I am shocked they weren't), but they are such easy fixes I don't see a reason not to.
Another area of major confusion (much bigger in my experience) is when dotted lines connect to a city. Since they have the appearance of going under the city icon, many people think that they connect with the underlying territory, not the city.
ManBungalow wrote:I had the same problem as Bruce and carlpgoodrich when I first played this map.
It only takes one game or a few minutes inspecting BoB to work it out though, much easier than trying to decipher more complicated maps such as Stalingrad.
natty_dread wrote:The map is quenched, and I'm not going to bring it back to development because 2 people say so. Perhaps you guys should have spoken when the map was still in beta, or when it was in development - there was loads of time, but I didn't see either of you.
I've played tons of games on the map for beta testing, and the majority of people had no problems figuring out what is what on the map.
natty_dread wrote:I understand your problem is with the baltic islands.
MrBenn wrote:natty_dread wrote:I understand your problem is with the baltic islands.
It would look like we're agreed that things could be made easier.
There have been slight adjustments to other maps post-beta, but these usually fly beneath the radar, or are carried out at the whim of the mapmaker, so let's not pull the "it's done and I'm done with it" card / spoils...
How long do you think it would actually take you to move army circles and adjust the paths?
MrBenn wrote:Cheers natty. I've sent the update to lackattack
DiM wrote:seeing how so very few people play the map
danryan wrote:I'd recommend leaving it as is - I think it was a very solid effort.
Nordic Countries [Graphics Revamp] [20.8.11]
natty_dread wrote:DiM wrote:seeing how so very few people play the map
Are you kidding me? This is the most popular map I've made.
natty_dread wrote:Besides, better graphics could get more people to play it.
