This is the reason PETA needs to exist

[PLAYER57832]

the puppy in question was not a hurricane victim...that being said, if i have space in my car for humans or animals in an evacuation situation - having been in an evacuation situation a handful of times in the last 6 years - i'll put a human in my car over an animal any day if the alternative is leaving the human behind. i'm crazee like that.

I would hope we are all "crazy like that". Even so, the real answer is to plan ahead so that you don't have to make such a choice unless it really is an immediate emergency (fire, gas leak, etc.).

The real problem is that too few people make adequate plans for either evacuations or other emergencies.

But, when it comes to PETA... once in a while they do bring up a real issue. However, even then, the real effort at fixing the problem usually falls to other groups. (or PETA is just latching onto an issue other groups already are working on).

[PLAYER57832]

Me too, I had fresh trout on the BBQ tonight. I caught it myself and clubbed it to death with a rock before I tore the hook from it's still twitching carcass. Then it was "Off with it's head, out with the guts!" and home to the wife and kids. We had four of them. YUMMY!!!

You don't eat the head? The cheeks are the best part!

My husband has a T-shirt that says Front: There's a place for all of God's creatures.
Back: Right next to the mashed potatoes!

[thegreekdog]

My grandfather regularly makes fish eye soup. It's not bad.

[PLAYER57832]

My grandfather regularly makes fish eye soup. It's not bad.

What kind of fish?

[spurgistan]

what bothers me is that so often it seems that people put so much time and emotion into animals.... when there are kids within a minute's driving distance that are abused, ragged, hungry and uneducated.
in new orleans, several years ago, there was a incident involving a puppy that was tied to a tree and set on fire. no argument - absolutely horrific. that same day, two children were beaten to death by their stepfather. the puppy incident generated the largest number of letters to the editor in the paper's history. no one noticed two little human beings being savaged to death.

I agree.

It's easier to characterize animals as helpless victims of crimes beyond their control than humans. Even when we know that there are incredible causative forces behind poverty, hunger, disease, etc. we still tend to believe that people have some sort of agency when it comes to these things. When it comes to puppies left behind in a hurricane, the fact that they had no part in the matter is really hard to dispute.

color me bad for thinking that two toddlers being beaten to death is beyond their control. i guess where i'm from, they're not so self-sufficient.

the puppy in question was not a hurricane victim...that being said, if i have space in my car for humans or animals in an evacuation situation - having been in an evacuation situation a handful of times in the last 6 years - i'll put a human in my car over an animal any day if the alternative is leaving the human behind. i'm crazee like that.

OK, I definitely wasn't saying that's how we ought to act, it's just easier to believe that animals are guiltless victims of circumstance than people, even when the truth is something else entirely.

[Woodruff]

My grandfather regularly makes fish eye soup. It's not bad.

I must say...ick.

[oddzy]

the puppy in question was not a hurricane victim...that being said, if i have space in my car for humans or animals in an evacuation situation - having been in an evacuation situation a handful of times in the last 6 years - i'll put a human in my car over an animal any day if the alternative is leaving the human behind. i'm crazee like that.

I would hope we are all "crazy like that". Even so, the real answer is to plan ahead so that you don't have to make such a choice unless it really is an immediate emergency (fire, gas leak, etc.).

The real problem is that too few people make adequate plans for either evacuations or other emergencies.

But, when it comes to PETA... once in a while they do bring up a real issue. However, even then, the real effort at fixing the problem usually falls to other groups. (or PETA is just latching onto an issue other groups already are working on).

no kidding, sherlock.

have you ever had to evacuate for a hurricane? figure out, out of a lifetime of stuff, which items are the most important to keep?

i have. and i came back to find that most of my life was g-o-n-e gone.

perhaps you're not aware of this tidbit, but a disproportionate number of elderly died in the flooding of katrina. elderly that got left to their own devices, or were stubborn about leaving. as much as i love my pets (and i love them a LOT), if i learned that an elderly neighbor couldn't evacuate because no one in their family gave a shit or because they didn't have anyone, that neighbor would be taking the place of my pets. i would cry, i would grieve, but in the end, if i had to make a one-or-the-other choice, i would choose the human being.

in one situation i know about, a adult child could not get his elderly parents to leave....so he stayed with them during the storm. when the levees gave way, the water swirled in incredibly fast. he had to make a choice about which parent to help to the second story first. his dad ended up drowning before he could get back down and save him. you think i'm kidding? absofuckinglutely not.

[Woodruff]

the puppy in question was not a hurricane victim...that being said, if i have space in my car for humans or animals in an evacuation situation - having been in an evacuation situation a handful of times in the last 6 years - i'll put a human in my car over an animal any day if the alternative is leaving the human behind. i'm crazee like that.

I would hope we are all "crazy like that". Even so, the real answer is to plan ahead so that you don't have to make such a choice unless it really is an immediate emergency (fire, gas leak, etc.).

The real problem is that too few people make adequate plans for either evacuations or other emergencies.

But, when it comes to PETA... once in a while they do bring up a real issue. However, even then, the real effort at fixing the problem usually falls to other groups. (or PETA is just latching onto an issue other groups already are working on).

no kidding, sherlock.

have you ever had to evacuate for a hurricane? figure out, out of a lifetime of stuff, which items are the most important to keep?

i have. and i came back to find that most of my life was g-o-n-e gone.

perhaps you're not aware of this tidbit, but a disproportionate number of elderly died in the flooding of katrina. elderly that got left to their own devices, or were stubborn about leaving. as much as i love my pets (and i love them a LOT), if i learned that an elderly neighbor couldn't evacuate because no one in their family gave a shit or because they didn't have anyone, that neighbor would be taking the place of my pets. i would cry, i would grieve, but in the end, if i had to make a one-or-the-other choice, i would choose the human being.

in one situation i know about, a adult child could not get his elderly parents to leave....so he stayed with them during the storm. when the levees gave way, the water swirled in incredibly fast. he had to make a choice about which parent to help to the second story first. his dad ended up drowning before he could get back down and save him. you think i'm kidding? absofuckinglutely not.

Ok, I understand all of what you're saying, but you're basically making PLAYER's point...evacuation plans were not carried out. The one good thing about a hurricane is that you typically have a lot of time to get the f*ck out of the way. Now, I realize that there are some (especially elderly) who are indigent and simply not going to have the means to evacuate. But far too many people stay around because they think they're fucking invincible (read...it won't hit here). I can't say that I feel particularly sorry for those individuals who make that choice. And yes, I lived on the coast of Mississippi for six years (including through Katrina) and the coast of Florida for three.

[oddzy]

my point - illustrated by the above - was that there is no way i'm going to put animal life above human life, and i really don't understand people who do. period. i don't care if the person in question was a jackass who didn't make appropriate plans. his/her life is still more valuable than an animal's.

even if it's my beloved boon companion's life i'm talking about.

[karel]

PETA=PEOPLE EATING TASTY ANIMALS

[PLAYER57832]

have you ever had to evacuate for a hurricane? figure out, out of a lifetime of stuff, which items are the most important to keep?
i have. and i came back to find that most of my life was g-o-n-e gone.

Yes, plus Earthquakes and floods. I won't get into my full resume, but I teach disaster preparedness, have for several years, including through the Red Cross in CA and down on the Gulf.

perhaps you're not aware of this tidbit, but a disproportionate number of elderly died in the flooding of katrina. elderly that got left to their own devices, or were stubborn about leaving. as much as i love my pets (and i love them a LOT), if i learned that an elderly neighbor couldn't evacuate because no one in their family gave a shit or because they didn't have anyone, that neighbor would be taking the place of my pets. i would cry, i would grieve, but in the end, if i had to make a one-or-the-other choice, i would choose the human being.

Exactly, which is why I said "I should hope we are ALL as crazy as you, taking a human over a pet".

in one situation i know about, a adult child could not get his elderly parents to leave....so he stayed with them during the storm. when the levees gave way, the water swirled in incredibly fast. he had to make a choice about which parent to help to the second story first. his dad ended up drowning before he could get back down and save him. you think i'm kidding? absofuckinglutely not.

Of course that happened, as did many worse incidents.

And that is why every chance I get, I continue to pound people to be prepared, EVERY chance I get, even if they get angry with me.
I also have a few other "tricks" up my sleeve. When someone won't evacuate, we hand them a permanent marker and tell them to please write their Social Security number and name on their arm to make it easier for us to notify their next of kin.
Adults get left behind, kids are taken into protective custody by local police or social services. (if they are not hidden, there is only so far anyone can go).

So, I gather you have a week's food and water, plus multiple evacuation plans, including cash for gas, outside contact phone numbers, A full list of all your accounts, important documents like deeds in a moveable waterproof container, etc.? (just as a start...)

[PLAYER57832]

my point - illustrated by the above - was that there is no way i'm going to put animal life above human life, and i really don't understand people who do. period. i don't care if the person in question was a jackass who didn't make appropriate plans. his/her life is still more valuable than an animal's.

even if it's my beloved boon companion's life i'm talking about.

Well, except I concur.. and that is what I said.

It is BECAUSE I have been through things that I continue to harp on preparedness. If that angers you.. too bad!

[PLAYER57832]

My grandfather regularly makes fish eye soup. It's not bad.

I must say...ick.

Fish eggs are actually tasty, once you get past the "idea" of it.

[oddzy]

So, I gather you have a week's food and water, plus multiple evacuation plans, including cash for gas, outside contact phone numbers, A full list of all your accounts, important documents like deeds in a moveable waterproof container, etc.? (just as a start...)

yes, ma'am.

as a matter of fact, i keep all of the document binders and containers in a big rubbermaid bin so i can grab n go. i can evacuate to jackson, baton rouge or north texas. north carolina for longer periods, need be. keep enough cash for a week of hotel rooms, food and gas, even though my evac plans involve relatives. have the kid's school records, immuniztion records, standardized test scores...have the pets' health records....have video and pictures of the inside of my home including the serial numbers for the major/expensive appliances. yup. got it covered.

[PLAYER57832]

Good. VERY good, in fact.

[oddzy]

been there, done that, got the tshirt.

[Mach1tosh]

My grandfather regularly makes fish eye soup. It's not bad.

I must say...ick.

Fish eggs are actually tasty, once you get past the "idea" of it.

He said fish EYE soup, not fish EGG soup.
The cheeks on a foot long trout are hardly worth the trouble, whereas on an Atlantic cod they are much larger and therefore well worth it. Tossing the severed head and guts back into the lake provides food for the remaining trout to become bigger and more delicious.

[Woodruff]

My grandfather regularly makes fish eye soup. It's not bad.

I must say...ick.

Fish eggs are actually tasty, once you get past the "idea" of it.

I like fish eggs...been eating them since I was a kid. Fish eyes...not so much (err...at all).

[DangerBoy]

It's easier to characterize animals as helpless victims of crimes beyond their control than humans.

I don't know about that.........

I watched a lot of the Democrat primary candidates debate back in 2008.

[PLAYER57832]

My grandfather regularly makes fish eye soup. It's not bad.

I must say...ick.

Fish eggs are actually tasty, once you get past the "idea" of it.

He said fish EYE soup, not fish EGG soup.

OOPs, wondered why the clarification, then I realized I mistyped.

Actually, I have had both fish eyes and fish eggs, and they are both tastey.