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OK

So there's a bit of a drama unfolding between Washington and my great State of Pennsylvania..

Former Vice Admiral and current congressman Joe Sestak has recently secured the Democratic nomination for Arlen Specter's Senate seat despite Obama campaigning against him..

Off the cuff, Sestak stated he was offered a position in Obama's administration in exchange for pulling out of the race. If this is true whoever had knowledge of the deal committed a crime not totally dissimilar to what Former Governor Rod Blagojevich is accused of having done with Obama's Senate seat...

Though a bit choppy, this video shows Sestak confirming that he was offered an executive job in exchange for not running for the senate. If someone offers a better one I'll edit it in.


If a Democratic member of Congress is to be believed, there's someone in the Obama administration who has committed a crime – and if the president knew about it, analysts say it could be grounds for impeachment.

"This scandal could be enormous," said Dick Morris, a former White House adviser to President Bill Clinton, on the Fox News Sean Hannity show last night. "It's Valerie Plame only 10 times bigger, because it's illegal and Joe Sestak is either lying or the White House committed a crime.

"Obviously, the offer of a significant job in the White House could not be made unless it was by Rahm Emanuel or cleared with Rahm Emanuel," he said. If the job offer was high enough that it also had Obama's apppoval, "that is a high crime and misdemeanor."

"In other words, an impeachable offense?" Hannity asked.


"Absolutely," said Morris.

The controversy revolves around an oft-repeated statement by Rep. Sestak, D-Pa., that he had been offered a job by the Obama administration in exchange for dropping out of the senatorial primary against Obama supporter Sen. Arlen Specter.


Sestak said he refused the offer. He continued in the Senate primary and defeated Specter for the Democratic nomination.

But Karl Rove, longtime White House adviser to President George W. Bush, said the charge is explosive because of federal law.


"This is a pretty extraordinary charge: 'They tried to bribe me out of the race by offering me a job,'" he said on Greta Van Susteran's "On the Record" program on the Fox News Channel. "Look, that's a violation of the federal code: 18 USC 600 says that a federal official cannot promise employment, a job in the federal government, in return for a political act.

"Somebody violated the law. If Sestak is telling the truth, somebody violated the law," Rove said. "Section 18 USC 211 says you cannot accept anything of value in return for hiring somebody. Well, arguably, providing a clear path to the nomination for a fellow Democrat is something of value.

He continued, citing a third law passage: "18 USC 595, which prohibits a federal official from interfering with the nomination or election for office. ... 'If you'll get out, we'll appoint you to a federal office,' – that's a violation of the law."

Staffers with Sestak's congressional office did not respond to WND requests for comment. But the congressman repeatedly confirmed that he was offered the position and refused and that any further comments would have to come from someone else.

"I've said all I'm going to say on the matter. … Others need to explain whatever their role might be," Sestak said on CNN this week. "I have a personal accountability; I should have for my role in the matter, which I talked about. Beyond that, I'll let others talk about their role."

That's not fulfilling his responsibilities, Rove said. He said Sestak needs to be forthcoming with the full story so "the American people can figure out whether or not he's participating in a criminal cover-up along with federal officials."

The Obama White House has tried to minimize the issue.

"Lawyers in the White House and others have looked into conversations that were had with Congressman Sestak, and nothing inappropriate happened," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs has stated.

Gibbs told the White House press corps, "Whatever conversations have been had are not problematic."

And on CBS' "Face the Nation" he said, "I'm not going to get further into what the conversations were. People who looked into them assure me they weren't inappropriate in any way."

But the administration also is taking no chances on what might be discovered.

According to Politico, the Justice Department has rejected a request from Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., for a special counsel to investigate and reveal the truth of the controversy.

The report said Assistant Attorney General Ronald Weich confirmed no special counsel would be needed. But the report said Weich also gave no indication that the Justice Department actually was looking into the claims by Sestak.

"We assure you that the Department of Justice takes very seriously allegations of criminal conduct by public officials. All such matters are reviewed carefully by career prosecutors and law enforcement agents, and appropriate action, if warranted, is taken," Weich wrote in the letter.

Issa had suggested that the alleged job offer may run afoul of federal bribery statutes.

He said in a statement to Politico, "The attorney general's refusal to take action in the face of such felonious allegations undermines any claim to transparency and integrity that this administration asserts."

He's also made a decision to raise the profile of his concerns.


"The bottom line is all fingers are being pointed back to the White House," he said in a statement released as ranking member of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.

"This Chicago-style politicking is an assault on our democracy and is downright criminal. President Obama faces a critical choice – he can either live up to his rhetoric of transparency and accountability by disclosing who inside his White House tried to manipulate an election by bribing a U.S. Congressman or he can allow his administration to continue this stonewalling and relinquish the mantle of change and transparency he is so fond of speaking on."

Issa suggested, "Could the reason why Congressman Joe Sestak refuses to name names is because the very people who tried to bribe him are now his benefactors? For months, Sestak has repeatedly said without equivocation that the White House illegally offered him a federal job in exchange for dropping out of the race. Was Joe Sestak embellishing what really happened, or does he have first-hand knowledge of the White House breaking the law? If what he said is the truth, Joe Sestak has a moral imperative to come forward and expose who within the Obama Administration tried to bribe him."

Michael Steele, the Republican National Committee chairman, as well as Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the No. 2 Democrat in the Senate, have joined the chorus suggesting the White House needs to answer some questions.

Former judge Andrew Napolitano, an analyst for Fox News, said the level of the offer simply isn't an issue.

"It wouldn't matter if it was a job as a janitor. Offering him anything of value to get him to leave a political race is a felony, punishable by five years in jail," he said.

The Section 600 statute states:
Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment, position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit, provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any political activity or for the support of or opposition to any candidate or any political party in connection with any general or special election to any political office, or in connection with any primary election or political convention or caucus held to select candidates for any political office, shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.
Douglas Sosnik, the White House political director for Bill Clinton, said offering jobs to political friends is "business as usual," but said Obama's promise was that "business as usual" wouldn't continue in his White House.

"It cuts against the Obama brand," he told the New York Times.

Ron Kaufman, who served under the first President Bush, also told the newspaper such offers are not unusual.

"But here's the difference – the times have changed and the ethics have changed and the scrutiny has changed. This is the kind of thing people across America are mad about," Kaufman said.

WND previously reported on the Sestak controvesy and a similar one concerning a Democrat Senate candidate in Colorado, Andrew Romanoff.

The Denver Post said Jim Messina, Obama's deputy chief of staff and "a storied fixer in the White House political shop, suggested a place for Romanoff might be found in the administration and offered specific suggestions."

Romanoff at the time was challenging another major Obama supporter, Sen. Michael Bennet, for the Democratic primary for the Senate seat from Colorado. He has since won top-line position over Bennet in a coming primary.

The report said Romanoff turned down the overture, but it is "the kind of hardball tactics that have come to mark the White House's willingness to shape key races across the country, in this case trying to remove a threat to a vulnerable senator by presenting his opponent a choice of silver or lead."

The newspaper affirmed "several top Colorado Democrats" described the situation, even though White House spokesman Adam Abrams said, "Mr. Romanoff was never offered a position within the administration."

Gary Kreep of the United States Justice Foundation, who has been monitoring the Obama administration, told WND the offer of reward for some government official's actions raises questions of legal liability.

"There's a federal statute and federal law seems to make clear if you offer a government official some sort of remuneration, directly or indirectly, it's a crime," he said.

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=158617




So will Obama be impeached over this? Barring a dramatic shift of power in the November elections, probably not. Eventually a staff member (possibly Rahm Emmanuel but I tend to think he's untouchable at this point) may be forced to resign, but only if the media really runs with this story.


Assuming he was telling the truth, the ironic thing about all this is that for speaking openly and honestly, Sestak stands to lose the most. He's in an awkward position in that he's running for the Senate to support a President who he (unknowingly) claimed broke the law..

.. There's going to be pressure placed on him to speak about who made him the White House offer. If he speaks he'll put himself at odds with his own party's administration. If he remains silent the opposition will argue that he's complicit in a criminal cover up...


If he doesn't speak up the critics are right..
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Thank you for making this thread. I have been wanting to make it for a while now, but I cannot descend daily into the arena to suffer martyrdom on every conflict.

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Gabby ... since you're a Penner, you should remind the gang about BONUSGATE and the Dirty Dems role in that, too, since not many folks outside the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania are aware of that.

Sax can't vote - BUT - if he could he would have voted Nader in '08 (well, realistically probably he would've voted Gloria La Riva, but his second choice for prez would have been Nader) so has a special interest in how the Dirty Dems tried to screw Nader and embezzle cash money doing it. :evil:
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In all seriousness, if Obama came forward and said:

"Look,

My administration offered Congressman Sestak a position in exchange for his agreement to pull out of the Pennsylvania Senate race. At the time we didn't see anything wrong with it, but we're now hearing that may not have been legal.

This type of thing is common practice in politics. Despite that we came to Washington pledging to do things differently.

We have seen the error in this, and we will not do this type of thing in the future.
"

I would probably accept it. Speaking openly and honestly goes a long way with me..


Unfortunately, I don't think that's what we're going to get.
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saxitoxin wrote:Gabby ... since you're a Penner, you should remind the gang about BONUSGATE and the Dirty Dems role in that, too, since not many folks outside the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania are aware of that.

That was a while ago and I forget the details. I remember it being a bunch of crap though..

It's one of those things that people in other states probably wouldn't care about.
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Gabby! :evil: Saxi will remind everyone :P ---

(1) Ralph Nader wanted to run for President. In kindergarten, American schoolchildren are taught by their Dirty Dem teachers that "anyone can run for President."
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(2) Thousands of university students and senior citizens spent weeks in the rain and wind collecting tens of thousands of petition signatures necessary to put Ralph Nader electors on the ballot in Pennsylvania.
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(3) The Dirty Dems independently decided Nader didn't have the right to run for office.
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(4) The Dirty Dems launched multiple legal challenges against the validity of Nader's petitions. Even though they never won, Nader didn't have the money to defend himself against the unending challenges filed against him and was forced off the ballot.
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(5) The kicker: the Dirty Dems couldn't actually afford all the challenges either. They had state employees file their challenges in off-hours and paid them through $2 million in Pennsylvania taxpayer money they embezzled.
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(6) The Dirty Dems weren't content in just forcing Nader off the ballot. They then filed suit against him personally because he dared to run for office without their permission.
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(7) A whistleblower leaked news of the Dirty Dems embezzlement. Twelve members of the Pennsylvania legislature and their staff members were dragged, crying, by State Police into court in handcuffs. Several were sentenced by the court to be raped (the de facto penalty for men assigned to east coast medium security prisons in the US).
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(8) Even after all that, Nader is still fighting in court to get $80K in his personal (not campaign - personal) money back that was wrongfully seized by bribed Democrat judges.
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The Republicans weren't complicit but they sure didn't try to stop all of it either.

This is why there is no Democrat Party and no Republican Party. There is just the IDRP. It has a left-wing branch to appeal to left-wingers and a right-wing branch to appeal to right-wingers. Marketing 101 - be your own competitor.

It's exactly like Yum! Brands. Yum! Brands operates Taco Bell to appeal to people who like tacos and KFC to appeal to people who like chicken. At the end of the day the money is all ending up in the same place and it's the same Board of Directors running both restaurants.
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I just wish we could make it through ONE term of a Presidency where people wouldn't raise the issue of impeachment

I am not making a value judgement as to the validity of the claims, I am just tired of it coming up...perhaps our election process is the problem.
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I wish we could make it through ONE term of a Presidency without scandal..
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saxitoxin wrote:Gabby ... since you're a Penner, you should remind the gang about BONUSGATE and the Dirty Dems role in that, too, since not many folks outside the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania are aware of that.

Sax can't vote - BUT - if he could he would have voted Nader in '08 (well, realistically probably he would've voted Gloria La Riva, but his second choice for prez would have been Nader) so has a special interest in how the Dirty Dems tried to screw Nader and embezzle cash money doing it. :evil:

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It makes me sad that no matter how much Obama disappoints those people who were naive enough to elect him, they still won't wise up and vote for Nader (or any third party candidate). That would just be throwing their vote away!
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Attila the Fun! wrote:It makes me sad that no matter how much Obama disappoints those people who were naive enough to elect him, they still won't wise up and vote for Nader (or any third party candidate). That would just be throwing their vote away!


Obama may not be delivering exactly what he offered but he is by far better then any true potential opposition, ie McCain/Palin. They would have been much worse in my eyes and in the eyes of everyone who still backs Obama.
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GabonX wrote:Off the cuff, Sestak stated he was offered a position in Obama's administration in exchange for pulling out of the race. If this is true whoever had knowledge of the deal committed a crime not totally dissimilar to what Former Governor Rod Blagojevich is accused of having done with Obama's Senate seat..

Blagojevich was selling Obama's vacated position, so this is totally dissimilar
and it is not a crime.
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Titanic wrote:They would have been much worse in my eyes and in the eyes of everyone who still backs Obama.


Alright, 2 pairs of eyes accounted for - next?
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Phatscotty wrote:
saxitoxin wrote:Gabby ... since you're a Penner, you should remind the gang about BONUSGATE and the Dirty Dems role in that, too, since not many folks outside the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania are aware of that.

Sax can't vote - BUT - if he could he would have voted Nader in '08 (well, realistically probably he would've voted Gloria La Riva, but his second choice for prez would have been Nader) so has a special interest in how the Dirty Dems tried to screw Nader and embezzle cash money doing it. :evil:

I voted for Nader. He was the only one who would bring the troops home


I knew there was a reason I liked you Scott! :P
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Titanic wrote:
Attila the Fun! wrote:It makes me sad that no matter how much Obama disappoints those people who were naive enough to elect him, they still won't wise up and vote for Nader (or any third party candidate). That would just be throwing their vote away!


Obama may not be delivering exactly what he offered but he is by far better then any true potential opposition, ie McCain/Palin. They would have been much worse in my eyes and in the eyes of everyone who still backs Obama.


You mean the 30% or so of the country who are die hard liberals? Since we know most of the independents completely disagree with his government expansion.
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It's a fact!
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Saxi's the only one with the right answer. The delightful folks who own our government put up the Dem and Rep contestants to give you ignorant wankers a good show - if you don't vote the way they want they simply overrule you with the electoral vote.

I like Nader, which is why i'd never vote for him. He'd be assassinated within a week. Have some more Kool-Aid kiddies.


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Regarding the Sestak issue, nothing has yet been confirmed. And, he is in my district, so its rather big news here. So far, its just unconfirmed allegations.

Obama did say yesterday that he would address it "soon".
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Obama will not be impeached. They're trying to use Bill Clinton now as a screen. If this becomes too much of a scandal then someone in the administration will take the fall for him, and receive an 11th hour pardon on Obama's last day in office.
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I'm just gonna start out by saying I would never vote Nader..

PLAYER57832 wrote:Regarding the Sestak issue, nothing has yet been confirmed. And, he is in my district, so its rather big news here. So far, its just unconfirmed allegations.

Obama did say yesterday that he would address it "soon".

What exactly do you need to have confirmed? Sestak has made the claim numerous times on multiple occasions, live on television..

There isn't a whole heck of a lot of wiggle room here.

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GabonX wrote:Off the cuff, Sestak stated he was offered a position in Obama's administration in exchange for pulling out of the race. If this is true whoever had knowledge of the deal committed a crime not totally dissimilar to what Former Governor Rod Blagojevich is accused of having done with Obama's Senate seat..

Blagojevich was selling Obama's vacated position, so this is totally dissimilar
and it is not a crime.


It's similar in that a political appointment was being used as a bargaining chip.

A political favor was solicited in exchange for a Federal job.. It is specifically illegal..

Whoever, directly or indirectly, promises any employment,
position, compensation, contract, appointment, or other benefit,
provided for or made possible in whole or in part by any Act of
Congress, or any special consideration in obtaining any such
benefit, to any person as consideration, favor, or reward for any
political activity or for the support of or opposition to any
candidate or any political party in connection with any general or
special election to any political office, or in connection with any
primary election or political convention or caucus held to select
candidates for any political office, shall be fined under this
title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both.


http://law.onecle.com/uscode/18/600.html

There's actually another very similarly phrased law which was violated as well, but I don't feel like looking for it..*

silvanricky wrote:Obama will not be impeached. They're trying to use Bill Clinton now as a screen. If this becomes too much of a scandal then someone in the administration will take the fall for him, and receive an 11th hour pardon on Obama's last day in office.

QFT

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PLAYER57832 wrote:Regarding the Sestak issue, nothing has yet been confirmed. And, he is in my district, so its rather big news here. So far, its just unconfirmed allegations.

Obama did say yesterday that he would address it "soon".

I mean if you think Obama is going to come forward and say "yes I did commit this criminal and impeachable act" I think you're gonna be holding your breath for a while..
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Night Strike wrote:
Titanic wrote:
Attila the Fun! wrote:It makes me sad that no matter how much Obama disappoints those people who were naive enough to elect him, they still won't wise up and vote for Nader (or any third party candidate). That would just be throwing their vote away!


Obama may not be delivering exactly what he offered but he is by far better then any true potential opposition, ie McCain/Palin. They would have been much worse in my eyes and in the eyes of everyone who still backs Obama.


You mean the 30% or so of the country who are die hard liberals? Since we know most of the independents completely disagree with his government expansion.


Well he still has an approval rating of around 48%/49%, and Dems/GOP/Ind. split is around 1/3 each so roughly half the independants approve of him atm and considering the state of the economy that still fairly impressive given how intense the Republican opposition to him has been.
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Titanic wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
Titanic wrote:
Attila the Fun! wrote:It makes me sad that no matter how much Obama disappoints those people who were naive enough to elect him, they still won't wise up and vote for Nader (or any third party candidate). That would just be throwing their vote away!


Obama may not be delivering exactly what he offered but he is by far better then any true potential opposition, ie McCain/Palin. They would have been much worse in my eyes and in the eyes of everyone who still backs Obama.


You mean the 30% or so of the country who are die hard liberals? Since we know most of the independents completely disagree with his government expansion.


Well he still has an approval rating of around 48%/49%, and Dems/GOP/Ind. split is around 1/3 each so roughly half the independants approve of him atm and considering the state of the economy that still fairly impressive given how intense the Republican opposition to him has been.


Rasmussen Reports has had Obama's Strongly Disapprove numbers nearly identical to his TOTAL Approve numbers, both in the low to mid 40s. Pretty bad for someone who won 52% of the vote and had over 60% Approval when he took office.
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