Arizona vs. Illegal Aliens

[Phatscotty]

As a heads up (Using Advanced Search):

Posts containing the word "racism":

Sym: 44
Phatscotty: 140

The term "race":

Sym: 30
Phatscotty: 105

so misleading, as usual. Poll on racism, every single post in that thread, no matter who said it, will show everyones name involved.

so misleading. I told you, the race card doesn't work



oh yeah, and way to dodge the last 3 rounds of questions!



and you have to include my thread on racebaiters.....uh hmmm....as well as being the first one to point out how obsessed with RACE liberals are

Does kind of seem like you're posting more on the topic than I am. Just saying. I didn't include or exclude anything. Just searched for your posts dealing with the keywords, and compared them to my posts with the same keywords.

Yes, but you severely, most unprofessionally, act as if my discussions on race have had bad intentions. You and I have had very lenghty discussions on this issue, in public and in private. All my threads on race contain details, examples, video clips, and sourced stories (Go ahead and stop reading now to start searching for one thread where I may not have... ) And they all usually pertain to ABUSE of the issue of RACE

I never have and probably never will consider something based on race. The issue, to me and for me, is completely non-existent. I am too busy listening to the words and observing the persons actions to tell what race they are. I mean if you ask me, sure, I could tell you what color he was. And that would probably be the first time I had even considered the color of skin. Then, of course, I would run and make a thread about it. and point out how again, it was a liberal that introduced race....

[Phatscotty]

P.S. there is another post where "phatscotty" talked about "race"

oops here is another one. OMG I'm getting more racist by the minute!

[Symmetry]

As a heads up (Using Advanced Search):

Posts containing the word "racism":

Sym: 44
Phatscotty: 140

The term "race":

Sym: 30
Phatscotty: 105

so misleading, as usual. Poll on racism, every single post in that thread, no matter who said it, will show everyones name involved.

so misleading. I told you, the race card doesn't work



oh yeah, and way to dodge the last 3 rounds of questions!



and you have to include my thread on racebaiters.....uh hmmm....as well as being the first one to point out how obsessed with RACE liberals are

Does kind of seem like you're posting more on the topic than I am. Just saying. I didn't include or exclude anything. Just searched for your posts dealing with the keywords, and compared them to my posts with the same keywords.

Yes, but you severely, most unprofessionally, act as if my discussions on race have had bad intentions. You and I have had very lenghty discussions on this issue, in public and in private. All my threads on race contain details, examples, video clips, and sourced stories (Go ahead and stop reading now to start searching for one thread where I may not have... ) And they all usually pertain to ABUSE of the issue of RACE

I never have and probably never will consider something based on race. The issue, to me and for me, is completely non-existent. I am too busy listening to the words and observing the persons actions to tell what race they are. I mean if you ask me, sure, I could tell you what color he was. And that would probably be the first time I had even considered the color of skin. Then, of course, I would run and make a thread about it. and point out how again, it was a liberal that introduced race....

Liberalism is a mental disorder

Ta

Wow- ok I clearly touched a nerve here, but you were accusing me of bringing up race all the time. The stats kinda point to you bringing it up in arguments much more often.

I'm not sure what you mean by "unprofessionally". My best guess would be that you'll need to look a couple of words up in a dictionary before you reply.

As for liberalism being a mental disorder? Congrats. You've formally joined the wingnuts.

[Phatscotty]

whatever, but feel free to correct my terminology and here is wun for a spell check win too.

this all started with you calling me out, saying I should not say illegal immigrants are coming from Mexico. You tried to play your little race game, and I'm not biting.

just calling it how I see it

[Symmetry]

whatever, but feel free to correct my terminology and here is wun for a spell check win too.

this all started with you calling me out, saying I should not say illegal immigrants are coming from Mexico. You tried to play your little race game, and I'm not biting.

just calling it how I see it

This would be the race game that you play three or four times as often as me?

Calling it as I see it, you post about race three or four times as much me.

Calling it as I see it, if a post is bitching about race, you're way more likely to be the author.

Is there much else I need to say? You consistently post about race, and complain about other people when they take you up on your obsession.

When people point it out, you perversely suggest that they are the obsessed party.

[Phatscotty]

whatever, but feel free to correct my terminology and here is wun for a spell check win too.

this all started with you calling me out, saying I should not say illegal immigrants are coming from Mexico. You tried to play your little race game, and I'm not biting.

just calling it how I see it

This would be the race game that you play three or four times as often as me?

Calling it as I see it, you post about race three or four times as much me.

Calling it as I see it, if a post is bitching about race, you're way more likely to be the author.

no, i stop the race game every time its played. the fact is you are not the only one, just 1/3 of the total

[BigBallinStalin]

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[Phatscotty]

I live here. I work with Illegals. I know what I am talking about. You do not have a clue.

I lived here for years and thought I had a clue. I realized I did not have a clue. I know a lot about this now. It's stupid to say "you cant use the term Mexican" when all you can see at the illegals rallies are Mexican Flags. Sorry buddy. Liberals have lost the flavor of playing the race card. This is a perfect example as to why. You no longer possess the glow

I may be stepping into dangerous territory, but, Phatscotty, sir, you do realize that by using the term Mexican you're labeling all the illegal immigrants as Mexican, which is incorrect.

Mexico's population in relation to the the rest of the Central American countries as well as to a smaller degree some of the nations of South America; however, there are large amount of illegal immigrants from all over those regions. Of course, I can't provide numbers, otherwise the Immigration Services would want to have a chat with me.

All I'm saying it's good to be accurate in what you're talking about, but when one blankets whole nationalities under one word, one's opinions become less credible.

yes you have a point, and it is a point i also made about 5 pages ago "Mexico and other south American countries"

however, these "unable to define the nationality of said immigrants(IF YOU ONLY CONISIDER RACE!)" seem to be waving a MEXICAN FLAG an awful lot......

[Phatscotty]

Ok, this is getting ridiculous now....

The Phoenix Suns will wear "Los Suns" on their jerseys in Game 2 of the Western Conference semifinals on Wednesday night, owner Robert Sarver said...

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/05/0 ... latestnews

ok, so let me get this straight, cuz we got a quote from this NBA owner, who is putting his players in the middle of a political powder-keg, and this is the reason he gives?

However intended, the result of passing the law is that our basic principles of equal rights and protection under the law are being called into question," he said, "and Arizona's already struggling economy will suffer even further setbacks at a time when the state can ill-afford them."

The guy obviously did not read the bill, as he is not even close. The "confirmation and enforcement" of an existing law is not going to cost the state a huge sum of money, and certainly not more money than mesquito control and turtle crossing bridges...

This owner does not have a clue, but he is fanning the flames of hate, because of people who are interested in misinforming people and playing on their passions.

[Nobunaga]

Ok, this is getting ridiculous now....

The Phoenix Suns will wear "Los Suns" on their jerseys in Game 2 of the Western Conference semifinals on Wednesday night, owner Robert Sarver said...

http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2010/05/0 ... latestnews

ok, so let me get this straight, cuz we got a quote from this NBA owner, who is putting his players in the middle of a political powder-keg, and this is the reason he gives?

However intended, the result of passing the law is that our basic principles of equal rights and protection under the law are being called into question," he said, "and Arizona's already struggling economy will suffer even further setbacks at a time when the state can ill-afford them."

The guy obviously did not read the bill, as he is not even close. The "confirmation and enforcement" of an existing law is not going to cost the state a huge sum of money, and certainly not more money than mesquito control and turtle crossing bridges...

This owner does not have a clue, but he is fanning the flames of hate, because of people who are interested in misinforming people and playing on their passions.

... That's their primary tactic, man, as they know 52% (at least) of the population is too lazy to know the facts (busy watching Survivor, or Win It in a Minute).

...

[Phatscotty]

It's called a border. The citizens of America are demanding and will continue to demand that it's border be respected.

[PLAYER57832]

It's called a border. The citizens of America are demanding and will continue to demand that it's borders be respected.

Then cut off the jobs.

[alex951]

It's called a border. The citizens of America are demanding and will continue to demand that it's border be respected.

there's your problem they can't read it

[notyou2]

lol

[Phatscotty]

It's called a border. The citizens of America are demanding and will continue to demand that it's borders be respected.

Then cut off the jobs.

Ok, I'm sure you do have a reason, and forgive me if you have already made this case. I might be able to see where you may go with this, and alert me if I covered your point in the post about "the rich guy at the top of the pyramid". It might just be how you say things, but what do you mean by "cut off the jobs"

[PLAYER57832]

It's called a border. The citizens of America are demanding and will continue to demand that it's borders be respected.

Then cut off the jobs.

Ok, I'm sure you do have a reason, and forgive me if you have already made this case. I might be able to see where you may go with this, and alert me if I covered your point in the post about "the rich guy at the top of the pyramid". It might just be how you say things, but what do you mean by "cut off the jobs"

I mean target the employers. The workers are the symptom. Fighting symptoms is a waste of everyone's time.

I also mean that the reason we have so many illegal immigrants is because so very many people benefit from that system. You want it to stop, the stop the benefit. That, again, means focusing not on the illegal workers, but on the employers and others who benefit.

[notyou2]

Scotty, the biggest problem I have with it is the erosion of rights of citizens. Can you not see this?

[jay_a2j]

You pass the North Korean border illegally you
get 12 yrs. hard labor, you pass the Afghan border illegally you get
shot, you pass the American border illegally you get a job, driver’s license,
allowance for a place to live, health care, education, billions of
dollars spent so you can read a document.

[Woodruff]

You pass the North Korean border illegally you
get 12 yrs. hard labor, you pass the Afghan border illegally you get
shot, you pass the American border illegally you get a job, driver’s license,
allowance for a place to live, health care, education, billions of
dollars spent so you can read a document.

Well...thank God that America is NOT North Korea or Afghanistan, eh?

[jay_a2j]

You pass the North Korean border illegally you
get 12 yrs. hard labor, you pass the Afghan border illegally you get
shot, you pass the American border illegally you get a job, driver’s license,
allowance for a place to live, health care, education, billions of
dollars spent so you can read a document.

Well...thank God that America is NOT North Korea or Afghanistan, eh?

Or Canada, France, Germany, Australia, Sweden, .........

[Phatscotty]

It's called a border. The citizens of America are demanding and will continue to demand that it's borders be respected.

Then cut off the jobs.

Ok, I'm sure you do have a reason, and forgive me if you have already made this case. I might be able to see where you may go with this, and alert me if I covered your point in the post about "the rich guy at the top of the pyramid". It might just be how you say things, but what do you mean by "cut off the jobs"

I mean target the employers. The workers are the symptom. Fighting symptoms is a waste of everyone's time.

I also mean that the reason we have so many illegal immigrants is because so very many people benefit from that system. You want it to stop, the stop the benefit. That, again, means focusing not on the illegal workers, but on the employers and others who benefit.

target the employers? We just elected Obama, so that is pretty much covered.

Honestly, we as Americans, have seen enough of OUR GOVERNMENT protecting people that are here illegally; while ridiculing, name calling, showing previous years tax documents, releasing personal phone messages and texts to the media, public humiliation, and demonization of people who are here legally, but just happen to have a different opinion.....

It's actually pretty insane

[Phatscotty]

You pass the North Korean border illegally you
get 12 yrs. hard labor, you pass the Afghan border illegally you get
shot, you pass the American border illegally you get a job, driver’s license,
allowance for a place to live, health care, education, billions of
dollars spent so you can read a document.

America is so racist and evil

Just curious, do you know what happens if you are in mexico illegally? double dare you to google it...

you will be surprised, and then again, you will not be surprised.

[PLAYER57832]

You pass the North Korean border illegally you
get 12 yrs. hard labor, you pass the Afghan border illegally you get
shot, you pass the American border illegally you get a job, driver’s license,
allowance for a place to live, health care, education, billions of
dollars spent so you can read a document.

What they DO get is a chance to work for PAY. Often the work is very hard and the pay quite low by US standards, though that is not always the case. They also buy products here (though some money is definitely shipped south), pay taxes (depending more on the employer than themselves), including social security for which they get no benefit.

Aside from some obvious frauds, ( which exist in ANY group, but actually to a lower extent among illegals than citizens), They DO NOT get welfare, Section 8, welfare. They get healthcare only if they have insurance, pay for it themselves or wind up in the emergency room with something life-threatening. Their children, including some that might not have been born here, do get education. Sorry, I have a hard time seeing that as a tragedy.

Well...thank God that America is NOT North Korea or Afghanistan, eh?

Very True.

[Nobunaga]

... Here are the two questions that nobody here has addressed (as far as I've seen)... two questions that the media won't ask (and one wonders why).

... First: What can Arizona law enforcement officers do under the new Arizona immigration law that a federal law enforcement officer cannot already do?

... Next, what requirement does the Arizona law place on non-citizens living in Arizona that federal law does not already place on any non-citizen living elsewhere in the United States?

...

... Also, you guys see how LA has boycotted Arizona?

...

[PLAYER57832]

... Here are the two questions that nobody here has addressed (as far as I've seen)... two questions that the media won't ask (and one wonders why).

... First: What can Arizona law enforcement officers do under the new Arizona immigration law that a federal law enforcement officer cannot already do?

Standards of suspicion are significantly higher for the feds. Also, they won't usually just throw you in jail because you fail to have ID. However, the INS is notorious in violating people's rights as well, even those of citizens.

...
... Next, what requirement does the Arizona law place on non-citizens living in Arizona that federal law does not already place on any non-citizen living elsewhere in the United States?

The issue is not the requirement on non-citizens. The issue is that now citizens are required to carry ID, so they can prove they are citizens.