saxitoxin wrote:Where do you live that homes are built abutting rail freight yards?
I don't live that close to a rail road and my rail road only has a minor freight load. IIRC, however there are a lot of areas around Chicago that are built that way. Some communities are so divided that when the freight train passes by "you can't get there from here," literally for hours.
Chicago is not Hamburg.
It's unusual to find freight yards in close proximity to residential areas, or at least it was, in Germany.
By contrast, Canadian concentration camps were established just outside Vancouver.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
2dimes wrote:Just outside Vancouver? I hope no one is reading this and "learning" about Canada.
ACK! Sorry, 2-D, did I err? I'm not an expert in Canada's concentration camps. Feel free to fill-in the gang about the positioning and discipline regimen's in Canadian forced labor centers if I got anything wrong. Sorry!
Sad Saxi
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
Since the post 90s Canadian dream is to make amends for past crimes real or percieved it's better if they are exagerated. Geograpy, like religion has no value so... "just outside Vancouver" is probably a perfect discription.
How about this? "Several miles from Toronto, just outside Vancouver."
2dimes wrote:Since the post 90s Canadian dream is to make amends for past crimes real or percieved it's better if they are exagerated. Geograpy, like religion has no value so... "just outside Vancouver" is probably a perfect discription.
How about this? "Several miles from Toronto, just outside Vancouver."
That'll work!
Despite some errant things I may have said about Canada in the past I will say that Canadians apologize better than anyone I know. You can't turn the page of a newspaper without hearing the Canadian nation apologize to someone for something.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
b.k. barunt wrote:Well hell they stood by and watched what happened to the Jews . . . the ones who didn't take part i mean.
No they didn't. For the most part they were rounded up by lawful authoriities and taken away. From the outward appearance there was no difference between Jewish internment in Germany and Japanese internment in the United States. (And remember by "lawful authorioties" we also have to include the French Police.) This argument is broken, however, because a lot of people did know what was really going on. Some choose not to get involved (because it would have meant going against lawful authority) and some got involved in discrete ways.
You can't be serious. That's gotta be the most ridiculous comparison i've heard in a long time. "Rounded up by 'lawful' authorities and taken away" - they were dragged out of their homes, frequently beaten, raped, etc. and packed in railroad cars like a bunch of cattle. Many were killed before they could be "rounded up by 'lawful' authorities".
Never heard of "Glaus Nacht" (Not sure of the sp, anyhow it's German for "Glass Night")? So named because they broke every fucking window in the Jewish shops and homes. Did they do that to the Japanese?
Honibaz
Yeah mate your right but i think it was something to do with crystal like crystal night or something, many regular germans broke evvvvvery single window in the jewish district and lit fire to many jewish home. The german people definately did know about what was happening many were brainswahsed by the propaganda and many didnt want the gestapo knocking down on their door so they did nothing
b.k. barunt wrote:Well hell they stood by and watched what happened to the Jews . . . the ones who didn't take part i mean.
No they didn't. For the most part they were rounded up by lawful authoriities and taken away. From the outward appearance there was no difference between Jewish internment in Germany and Japanese internment in the United States. (And remember by "lawful authorioties" we also have to include the French Police.) This argument is broken, however, because a lot of people did know what was really going on. Some choose not to get involved (because it would have meant going against lawful authority) and some got involved in discrete ways.
You can't be serious. That's gotta be the most ridiculous comparison i've heard in a long time. "Rounded up by 'lawful' authorities and taken away" - they were dragged out of their homes, frequently beaten, raped, etc. and packed in railroad cars like a bunch of cattle. Many were killed before they could be "rounded up by 'lawful' authorities".
Never heard of "Glaus Nacht" (Not sure of the sp, anyhow it's German for "Glass Night")? So named because they broke every fucking window in the Jewish shops and homes. Did they do that to the Japanese?
Honibaz
Yeah mate your right but i think it was something to do with crystal like crystal night or something, many regular germans broke evvvvvery single window in the jewish district and lit fire to many jewish home. The german people definately did know about what was happening many were brainswahsed by the propaganda and many didnt want the gestapo knocking down on their door so they did nothing
what the heck are you going to do to the guys with the guns? and you dont have any? that is why they did nothing. they could do nothing. they were helpess and defenseless. that is why
You see, when you own a gun, and you see injustice being done, then you might hope they do come knocking on your door...
b.k. barunt wrote:Well hell they stood by and watched what happened to the Jews . . . the ones who didn't take part i mean.
No they didn't. For the most part they were rounded up by lawful authoriities and taken away. From the outward appearance there was no difference between Jewish internment in Germany and Japanese internment in the United States. (And remember by "lawful authorioties" we also have to include the French Police.) This argument is broken, however, because a lot of people did know what was really going on. Some choose not to get involved (because it would have meant going against lawful authority) and some got involved in discrete ways.
You can't be serious. That's gotta be the most ridiculous comparison i've heard in a long time. "Rounded up by 'lawful' authorities and taken away" - they were dragged out of their homes, frequently beaten, raped, etc. and packed in railroad cars like a bunch of cattle. Many were killed before they could be "rounded up by 'lawful' authorities".
Never heard of "Glaus Nacht" (Not sure of the sp, anyhow it's German for "Glass Night")? So named because they broke every fucking window in the Jewish shops and homes. Did they do that to the Japanese?
Honibaz
Yeah mate your right but i think it was something to do with crystal like crystal night or something, many regular germans broke evvvvvery single window in the jewish district and lit fire to many jewish home. The german people definately did know about what was happening many were brainswahsed by the propaganda and many didnt want the gestapo knocking down on their door so they did nothing
what the heck are you going to do to the guys with the guns? and you dont have any? that is why they did nothing. they could do nothing. they were helpess and defenseless. that is why
You see, when you own a gun, and you see injustice being done, then you might hope they do come knocking on your door...
So hold on you have what an automatic pistol and four gestapo with machine guns come to your door, your just going to start spraying, thats a nice way to end up as a fucking example in your town, dont do what phatscotty did or we'll kill you and your family as well you are the most ignorant, arrogant american i have ever met (well met in the sense of the internet) i hope the gestapo comes to your door oneday i'd love to see what you would do fight and die or wimp out coz you realize your gun is useless in this situation
I have been following this thread with interest but am now confused.
IN Scenario 1 Germans were to blame for not resisting the British-backed Nazis during Kristallnacht.
IN Scenario 2 Germans were faultless for not resisting the British-backed Nazis during Kristallnacht because the State is intrinsically better armed.
These two scenarios would normally be reconcilable as a conflict of visions, except, they appear to be promoted by the same people simultaneously. Ol Saxi's head is gonna explode!
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
It was legal possession of firearms that led to the acquisition of power by the British-backed Nazis. Had the SA been unarmed, the institutions of governance could better have resisted the Machtergreifung.
At the same time, Germans could easily have stopped the British-backed Nazis after the Machtergreifung by organizing the same type of non-governmental organization as the SA. Ten thousand Germans protested for days in Berlin the Jewish laws of the British-backed Nazis as late as 1943 but they were unarmed. An organized movement like that which had access to firearms could easily have formed a nucleus in a revolutionary struggle. Without firearms there was no hope of resisting the Nazis after they had become unchained from their UK patrons.
Pack Rat wrote:if it quacks like a duck and walk like a duck, it's still fascism
