star wars mafia game over rebels win, with survivers help

[safariguy5]

That's a bit of a stretch.

If I were the mod, I'd sooner modkill citizens than stormtroopers and rebels.

I'm not sure what to think now. I'd feel safer if the stormtrooper story were put to the test, which would clarify things for town while not losing their ability.

On the other hand, vanilla townie is always a tempting claim for a goon.

I feel like with the duday and Wolverine Mutant claim, 2 outcomes are possible.

1. Their claim is true. If we lynched one of them, they would still have 1 nightkill, but the mafia would probably target the other one and we would have no more vig nightkills after tonight.

2. Their claim is false and they are the 2 remaining mafia members. Even if we killed one of them, the other one is still going to kill someone tonight.

Either way, we are still gonna lose someone to a night kill. I'm more willing to pursue / because the relative worth of 1 extra night kill is greater than losing a vanilla townie. If it turns out that they were lying, we can still kill one of them tomorrow and just endgame them in a couple of days. If we lose both of them today/tonight, then finding the scum is going to be harder without the possibility of 2 night kills.

[Koesen]

That is possible, and if they are the last two stormtroopers, it would obviously be bad to lose both. But if they are scum or if one is somehow betraying the other, leaving them unharmed would be problematic too.

We could test their claim by agreeing on who they should kill tonight. The day scene should reveal whether the target was killed by stormtroopers or by someone else. It wouldn't be airtight, but it would give us more verifiable information.

By the way, we still have Darth Vader, who seems to be able to kill too.

For now, I'm willing to switch to /. He's probably not the biggest danger in town, but when it comes to LYLO, you can't trust survivors. Their personal interest would be served best by voting with scum to end the game immediately.

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[Wolverine Mutant]

While / is looking a bit suspicious, I myself forgot about the game for a day or two and cannot very well kill him on suspicions based on his inactivity.

At present, no vote.

[duday53]

That is possible, and if they are the last two stormtroopers, it would obviously be bad to lose both. But if they are scum or if one is somehow betraying the other, leaving them unharmed would be problematic too.

We could test their claim by agreeing on who they should kill tonight. The day scene should reveal whether the target was killed by stormtroopers or by someone else. It wouldn't be airtight, but it would give us more verifiable information.

By the way, we still have Darth Vader, who seems to be able to kill too.

For now, I'm willing to switch to /. He's probably not the biggest danger in town, but when it comes to LYLO, you can't trust survivors. Their personal interest would be served best by voting with scum to end the game immediately.

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Vote /

I was going to suggest this. Because to be honest we have no clue who to nightkill. We are open to any suggestions?

[safariguy5]

LSU hasn't posted since page 37. Here's a thought though...since the main things we have against anybody is inactivity as of right now, would it be so bad to vote no lynch and have Wolverine and Duday kill / in the night? Not changing my vote yet, but it's an option.

[captainwalrus]

Vote /
For the hammer. Survivors are no good to us so losing one isn't terrible.

[Koesen]

UTAlan unvoted, so he's at L-1.

Interesting observation about LSU. Though he was not very high on my list of suspects so far, late game silence hints at dark things.

If we haven't heard from him by nightfall, he might be a good Stormtrooper target.

As mentioned before, if we're not testing the stromtrooper theory by lynching or nightkilling one of them, I want to see it tested by having Duday and Wolverine announce their target for tonight so that when dawn comes, the scene will confirm or refute their story.

Somebody is BS'ing us here, and we need to get him.

People we need to get clarity on:
/
Wolverine and Duday
LSU

[gregwolf121]

vote count
wolverine (1) LSU
/ (5)safari, metsfanmax, strike wolf, Koesen, captainwalrus
no lynch (1) wolverine mutant
/ is at l-1
with 10 alive it will take 6 to lynch

[/]

This is a large game... I don't see a reason to doubt there are as many as three scum currently, Luke, perhaps obi wan, and even if Leia died n1 it doesn't mean no one was recruited.
in such a situation we can't rule out a that we're already precariously close to Lynch or lose, scum will try to lynch the easiest target as fast as possible, two people will die, one town for sure, then depending on the empire's luck we have a decent shot at being 4-3 by tomorrow. I feel it's suspicious that certain people are using the best worst case scenario logic so late into the game.

[safariguy5]

Day 2

during the night the empires elite storm troopers went out to kill who they thought was a part of the rebellion, they surrounded this persons house and then receiving the go signal burst inside, but the house was empty the unknown person who they were gunning for was gone.

in another part of the galaxy an imperial star destroyer is chasing down a small freighter that was used by the rebellion to transport troops, as the star destroyer blasts the freighter a small snub nosed fighter slips out and attempts to run, the empires tie fighters rush to the chase a tie interceptor in the lead, some lucky shots from the tie fighters graze the snub nose fighter shorting out the engine, with the snub nose crawling along with only one engine the tie interceptor closes behind, the interceptor pilot considers the craft in front of him and decides it would be better to kill the pilot instead of making the pilot a prisoner, so with one press of a button two green lasers blast from the interceptor and hit the weakened fighter blowing it to bits, the empires fighters circle around checking for life then return to the star destroyer.

Fuzzylogic99, princess leia has been killed
princess leia could investigate people, she was looking for imperial citizens who she could ask to join the rebellion, they could join or stay in the empire, their choice,

Sorry to go back to this again, but this part of the night scene means that you two (Wolverine Mutant and Duday) were targeting someone. Who was it? Depending on how you answer, I may or may not be able to clear one or both of you.

[Koesen]

The argument against a large mafia is the fact that they had a recruiter who died early. Recruiters usually start out with small factions, or else it's too easy. See my own zombie mafia for an example.

They may have recruited one person, but not more.

Didn't Greg say Obi Wan is not in the game?

[strike wolf]

The argument against a large mafia is the fact that they had a recruiter who died early. Recruiters usually start out with small factions, or else it's too easy. See my own zombie mafia for an example.

They may have recruited one person, but not more.

Didn't Greg say Obi Wan is not in the game?

Did he? If so that would be a bummer...Obi Wan was a major part of Star Wars even after he was killed off. Also interesting idea safari...

[LSU Tiger Josh]

I like safari's suggestion of the no kill and letting the storm troopers do their magic. For those unaware, I'm in the midst of trying to plan a wedding with my fiance so don't really come and stay on that much anymore. For the most part I've kept up with the readings and after the consensus that the two storm troopers do in fact work together, I'll Unvote at this time. In regards to /'s argument that being inactive he would be replaced, I have my doubts on it with as many people that have died having previous role information plus you very easily could've been sending out night actions and just not been that involved during the day.

[Koesen]

2. (...) The only thing you are allowed to post are your roles, and anything associated with them, for example, im obi wan and I can protect one person a night, not a real role so don’t use it for a fake claim.

That sounds like there is no Obi Wan.

Congratulations, LSU!

[Wolverine Mutant]

Day 2

during the night the empires elite storm troopers went out to kill who they thought was a part of the rebellion, they surrounded this persons house and then receiving the go signal burst inside, but the house was empty the unknown person who they were gunning for was gone.

in another part of the galaxy an imperial star destroyer is chasing down a small freighter that was used by the rebellion to transport troops, as the star destroyer blasts the freighter a small snub nosed fighter slips out and attempts to run, the empires tie fighters rush to the chase a tie interceptor in the lead, some lucky shots from the tie fighters graze the snub nose fighter shorting out the engine, with the snub nose crawling along with only one engine the tie interceptor closes behind, the interceptor pilot considers the craft in front of him and decides it would be better to kill the pilot instead of making the pilot a prisoner, so with one press of a button two green lasers blast from the interceptor and hit the weakened fighter blowing it to bits, the empires fighters circle around checking for life then return to the star destroyer.

Fuzzylogic99, princess leia has been killed
princess leia could investigate people, she was looking for imperial citizens who she could ask to join the rebellion, they could join or stay in the empire, their choice,

Sorry to go back to this again, but this part of the night scene means that you two (Wolverine Mutant and Duday) were targeting someone. Who was it? Depending on how you answer, I may or may not be able to clear one or both of you.

Seeing as I'm fairly new to mafia and all, I mostly left it up to duday and/or the other stormtroopers.


Regarding the No Lynch idea and allowing us to nightkill, would this not also allow Darth Vader (whoever he is) to nightkill someone, assuming that he is still alive and with a nightkill ability?

[UTAlan]

Day 2

during the night the empires elite storm troopers went out to kill who they thought was a part of the rebellion, they surrounded this persons house and then receiving the go signal burst inside, but the house was empty the unknown person who they were gunning for was gone.

in another part of the galaxy an imperial star destroyer is chasing down a small freighter that was used by the rebellion to transport troops, as the star destroyer blasts the freighter a small snub nosed fighter slips out and attempts to run, the empires tie fighters rush to the chase a tie interceptor in the lead, some lucky shots from the tie fighters graze the snub nose fighter shorting out the engine, with the snub nose crawling along with only one engine the tie interceptor closes behind, the interceptor pilot considers the craft in front of him and decides it would be better to kill the pilot instead of making the pilot a prisoner, so with one press of a button two green lasers blast from the interceptor and hit the weakened fighter blowing it to bits, the empires fighters circle around checking for life then return to the star destroyer.

Fuzzylogic99, princess leia has been killed
princess leia could investigate people, she was looking for imperial citizens who she could ask to join the rebellion, they could join or stay in the empire, their choice,

Sorry to go back to this again, but this part of the night scene means that you two (Wolverine Mutant and Duday) were targeting someone. Who was it? Depending on how you answer, I may or may not be able to clear one or both of you.

Seeing as I'm fairly new to mafia and all, I mostly left it up to duday and/or the other stormtroopers.


Regarding the No Lynch idea and allowing us to nightkill, would this not also allow Darth Vader (whoever he is) to nightkill someone, assuming that he is still alive and with a nightkill ability?

You should still know who y'all tried to kill, even if you didn't actually make the decision yourself. Saying "I don't know" isn't helping your case - it makes it sound like you're scum and don't know how to respond to that question.

[safariguy5]

Alright, I think I have a plan for night. I suggest Wolverine Mutant and duday kill /. That way, we can do 2 things. We can check to see whether / is lying or not. If he doesn't die, then they are the scum. If he is the only one who dies, then the scum is probably trying to cover their tracks and we won't lose any stormtroopers tonight. If he dies and either Wolverine Mutant or duday also die, it can verify their joint claims and we will still have 1 extra night kill the next night. At this point, I'm fairly certain it's a question of hunting down the last scum.

unvote, vote no lynch

[UTAlan]

Wolverine's latest post raised suspicion, but if he is scum, your plan should reveal him as such.

vote no lynch

[Metsfanmax]

I'm not convinced that this plan is foolproof, because one possibility (at least as safari posed it) is that duday or wolverine and / both die, and if none of them are scum then we've just killed two potentially useful allies and gained no information by it. Additionally, it seems like this plan is based on the idea that there is only one rebel left, and while that may be true, I don't think we can assume that safely. I'm not going to change my vote, but I'm not going to attempt to convince anyone to do anything else so that the day actually ends in a reasonable amount of time.

[safariguy5]

I'm not convinced that this plan is foolproof, because one possibility (at least as safari posed it) is that duday or wolverine and / both die, and if none of them are scum then we've just killed two potentially useful allies and gained no information by it. Additionally, it seems like this plan is based on the idea that there is only one rebel left, and while that may be true, I don't think we can assume that safely. I'm not going to change my vote, but I'm not going to attempt to convince anyone to do anything else so that the day actually ends in a reasonable amount of time.

Unlikely. As I understand it, we have 2 night kills. The stormtroopers have 1 night kill and darth vader has one night kill. Now the rebellion may or may not have 1 night kill. I would tell darth to hold off on targeting the claimed stormtroopers. He can target someone else. Stormtroopers target /, mafia target someone (could be a stormtrooper, could also be / to cover tracks), and vader targets someone else. This is probably the worst case scenario. I don't see both stormtroopers dying, and if one were to die, we could confirm the other one is town. Just as long as vader doesn't target one of them.

[gregwolf121]

vote count
/ (4) metsfanmax, strike wolf, Koesen, captainwalrus
no lynch (3) wolverine mutant, safari, UTA
/ is at l-2
with 10 alive it will take 6 to lynch

deadline is saturday

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Vote no lynch Right vador shouldn't target / or the troopers.

[Koesen]

I've been thinking about this game, I and think I've got it all worked out. Before acting on my theory, though, I need to see two questions answered:

1. /: as an imperial citizen, you are a survivor, correct?

2. Captainwalrus: I know who you are. I will not reveal your identity yet, because I think you're better off remaining anonymous for a little longer. What I want to know, is: are you aware of the fact that at this point, you can still be recruited by the other side?

[Koesen]

Unvote until I get my answers.

[Metsfanmax]

I've been thinking about this game, I and think I've got it all worked out. Before acting on my theory, though, I need to see two questions answered:

2. Captainwalrus: I know who you are. I will not reveal your identity yet, because I think you're better off remaining anonymous for a little longer. What I want to know, is: are you aware of the fact that at this point, you can still be recruited by the other side?

I was under the impression that we were done with recruiting in this game.