ACORN cleared of all wrongdoing in probe

[BigBallinStalin]

yeah those bastards always trying to get people to vote. Suckers.

yeah... even dead ones, and really fucking stupid ones... by bribing them with cigarettes... f*ck that. not everyone should vote. if you haven't a goddamn clue... stay the f*ck home...

So you stayed home during the last election?

no. I voted. I voted third party... right and left candidates are a joke.

"Go ahead! THROW your vote away!!"

[silent wind]

yeah those bastards always trying to get people to vote. Suckers.

yeah... even dead ones, and really fucking stupid ones... by bribing them with cigarettes... f*ck that. not everyone should vote. if you haven't a goddamn clue... stay the f*ck home...

So you stayed home during the last election?

no. I voted. I voted third party... right and left candidates are a joke.

"Go ahead! THROW your vote away!!"

if everyone would just "throw their vote away" then maybe something real can be accomplished in this country other than big corporations putting their puppets into office.

[jonesthecurl]

don't be daft. dead people are always on registers to vote... and somehow... they seem to show up. its called voter fraud.

I'd call it necromancy if they turned up. Do you actually have evidence that they turn up to vote?

Of course they don't. Someone else just pretends to be them and votes. It's simple enough. Same thing when people show up as Mickey Mouse.

Thanks pancakemix- can you show that, as you said, someone showed up as Mickey Mouse? Did they vote as Mickey mouse?

For that matter can you show that any of the dead people registered to have voted (as Silent Wind claims) actually cast a vote? You say that other people claim to be them and vote, but I've seen no credible source backing that one up. Still, I've gotten carried away by emotion and been a bit bad about the truth before too (haven't we all?). So I'd be a bit crap to blame you, I'd like you to clarify though.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ident.html

Obviously, I can't actually show beyond a reasonable doubt that someone succeeded in voting as Mickey Mouse, this article shows that an attempt was at least made to register under that name (by ACORN, no less). Hope that helps.

Please look at the title of the thread, and compare the date to the Daily Mail article. I have no drum to beat on this one, but posting speculative articles by dubious UK tabloids on political issues in the US, when the outcome of the investigations mentioned in the article are the entire bloody point of the thread being started is not helpful to a rational discussion.

[silent wind]

don't be daft. dead people are always on registers to vote... and somehow... they seem to show up. its called voter fraud.

I'd call it necromancy if they turned up. Do you actually have evidence that they turn up to vote?

no, they did not actually show up to vote... and, they weren/t actually dead... kind of un-dead... as in the case of Al Frankenstein...

http://www.redstate.com/jrichardson/200 ... ad-voters/

[Woodruff]

yeah those bastards always trying to get people to vote. Suckers.

yeah... even dead ones, and really fucking stupid ones... by bribing them with cigarettes... f*ck that. not everyone should vote. if you haven't a goddamn clue... stay the f*ck home...

So you stayed home during the last election?

no. I voted. I voted third party... right and left candidates are a joke.

So you don't follow your own advice, then.

[silent wind]

yeah those bastards always trying to get people to vote. Suckers.

yeah... even dead ones, and really fucking stupid ones... by bribing them with cigarettes... f*ck that. not everyone should vote. if you haven't a goddamn clue... stay the f*ck home...

So you stayed home during the last election?

no. I voted. I voted third party... right and left candidates are a joke.

So you don't follow your own advice, then.

why do you assume that I don't have a clue. I am pretty well up on current events, I have a degree, I am employed, don't use drugs, active in my community... what, other than your lame attempts at trying to be witty, makes you suggest that I don't have a clue? I know what the f*ck is going on in Washington.

[BigBallinStalin]

Hey HEY what do drugs have to about it>!>! GHUH!>.>>???

[Phatscotty]

third party is cool, but it's much easier to force a thrid party type candidate down one of the main parties throat.

Ron Paul 2012

[john9blue]

Those WERE pretty lame...

[Bruceswar]

don't be daft. dead people are always on registers to vote... and somehow... they seem to show up. its called voter fraud.

I'd call it necromancy if they turned up. Do you actually have evidence that they turn up to vote?

It has happened many times over... They just got caught doing it. Evidence... look around... it is everywhere. Acorn is bad in every way form or fashion! See ya!

[stahrgazer]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ident.html

Obviously, I can't actually show beyond a reasonable doubt that someone succeeded in voting as Mickey Mouse, this article shows that an attempt was at least made to register under that name (by ACORN, no less). Hope that helps.

Read further into US voter registration laws and you'll find: people who collect voter registrations are sworn to send them in, not discard them. The only thing they're allowed to do is, when taking the registration in person, ask the person if the person is eligible (not allowed to require proof) and ask the person to fully complete the form (say they forget to sign, etc.). Thus, ACORN is not at fault for refusing to pre-screen voter registrations; they were fulfilling their obligations under federal voter registration laws. Throwing "MIckey Mouse" away would've been a law violation, no matter how silly the agent accepting the registration found it to be. The person who signed that he was Mickey Mouse (if he wasn't) on the other hand, DID violate voter registration law; and a pollworker who would allow an unidentified MM to vote, would be violating voting laws.

[silent wind]

Hey HEY what do drugs have to about it>!>! GHUH!>.>>???

meh... im not talking about recreational drug use... I'm talking about the washed up junkies and bums that acorn was pulling out of the back alleys to fill their quotas. suggesting that acorn is innocent of wrong doing is like saying that OJ didn't butcher 2 human beings and use his wealth of resources to get away with it. Most of you who are sticking up for ACORN, I think, are simply doing so out of political obligation. You support Obama, hence, you support ACORN.

[Bruceswar]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ident.html

Obviously, I can't actually show beyond a reasonable doubt that someone succeeded in voting as Mickey Mouse, this article shows that an attempt was at least made to register under that name (by ACORN, no less). Hope that helps.

Read further into US voter registration laws and you'll find: people who collect voter registrations are sworn to send them in, not discard them. The only thing they're allowed to do is, when taking the registration in person, ask the person if the person is eligible (not allowed to require proof) and ask the person to fully complete the form (say they forget to sign, etc.). Thus, ACORN is not at fault for refusing to pre-screen voter registrations; they were fulfilling their obligations under federal voter registration laws. Throwing "MIckey Mouse" away would've been a law violation, no matter how silly the agent accepting the registration found it to be. The person who signed that he was Mickey Mouse (if he wasn't) on the other hand, DID violate voter registration law; and a pollworker who would allow an unidentified MM to vote, would be violating voting laws.

You are joking right? LOLz Which is why ACORN is gone now, since they did such a good job!

[Symmetry]

don't be daft. dead people are always on registers to vote... and somehow... they seem to show up. its called voter fraud.

I'd call it necromancy if they turned up. Do you actually have evidence that they turn up to vote?

It has happened many times over... They just got caught doing it. Evidence... look around... it is everywhere. Acorn is bad in every way form or fashion! See ya!

Ok- I see a desk, some books, a plate with a ham sandwich. Nope, looking around doesn't show up any evidence of falsely registered people actually voting. I'm gonna go ahead and call you a liar on this one. I don't think you have any evidence at all for what you're claiming. I think that you really need to show two things:

1) That Acorn deliberately registered people who were ineligible, as opposed to simply following the legal requirements explained above by stahrgazer.

2) That those registered actually has a vote counted, as you claim.

This should be no problem for you- assuming, of course, that you're being honest about the evidence being everywhere.

[silent wind]

don't be daft. dead people are always on registers to vote... and somehow... they seem to show up. its called voter fraud.

I'd call it necromancy if they turned up. Do you actually have evidence that they turn up to vote?

It has happened many times over... They just got caught doing it. Evidence... look around... it is everywhere. Acorn is bad in every way form or fashion! See ya!

Ok- I see a desk, some books, a plate with a ham sandwich. Nope, looking around doesn't show up any evidence of falsely registered people actually voting. I'm gonna go ahead and call you a liar on this one. I don't think you have any evidence at all for what you're claiming. I think that you really need to show two things:

1) That Acorn deliberately registered people who were ineligible, as opposed to simply following the legal requirements explained above by stahrgazer.

2) That those registered actually has a vote counted, as you claim.

This should be no problem for you- assuming, of course, that you're being honest about the evidence being everywhere.

shit dude...

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

[Symmetry]

don't be daft. dead people are always on registers to vote... and somehow... they seem to show up. its called voter fraud.

I'd call it necromancy if they turned up. Do you actually have evidence that they turn up to vote?

It has happened many times over... They just got caught doing it. Evidence... look around... it is everywhere. Acorn is bad in every way form or fashion! See ya!

Ok- I see a desk, some books, a plate with a ham sandwich. Nope, looking around doesn't show up any evidence of falsely registered people actually voting. I'm gonna go ahead and call you a liar on this one. I don't think you have any evidence at all for what you're claiming. I think that you really need to show two things:

1) That Acorn deliberately registered people who were ineligible, as opposed to simply following the legal requirements explained above by stahrgazer.

2) That those registered actually has a vote counted, as you claim.

This should be no problem for you- assuming, of course, that you're being honest about the evidence being everywhere.

shit dude...

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

Oh, for goodness sake- that's just more of the same. Can you actually show a case of someone illegally voting having been registered by ACORN? That's what you claim, that's what I'd like to see. Stop messing around, admit that you were wrong, and move on.

[Snorri1234]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldne ... ident.html

Obviously, I can't actually show beyond a reasonable doubt that someone succeeded in voting as Mickey Mouse, this article shows that an attempt was at least made to register under that name (by ACORN, no less). Hope that helps.

Read further into US voter registration laws and you'll find: people who collect voter registrations are sworn to send them in, not discard them. The only thing they're allowed to do is, when taking the registration in person, ask the person if the person is eligible (not allowed to require proof) and ask the person to fully complete the form (say they forget to sign, etc.). Thus, ACORN is not at fault for refusing to pre-screen voter registrations; they were fulfilling their obligations under federal voter registration laws. Throwing "MIckey Mouse" away would've been a law violation, no matter how silly the agent accepting the registration found it to be. The person who signed that he was Mickey Mouse (if he wasn't) on the other hand, DID violate voter registration law; and a pollworker who would allow an unidentified MM to vote, would be violating voting laws.

You are joking right? LOLz Which is why ACORN is gone now, since they did such a good job!

Yes ACORN did actually do what they were required to do by law.They are "gone" because the "scandal" had dems and republicans flipping out and scrapping the federal funding.

shit dude...

http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html

Noone is even remotely saying that acorn-employees weren't responsible for attempted voter registration fraud.

Notice how I didn't say voter fraud? Because that's not what happened.

The main problem is that Acorn had a policy that rewarded people for the amount of voter registration cards they handed over. Which made some people think they could get a quick couple of bucks by making up shit and putting it in. Which is dumb because voter registration fraud is both a serious offense and incredibly hard to get away with.

ACORN knows this. They wouldn't be so dumb as to attempt fraud. It's even harder than cheating on your taxes. In fact, it is very much harder because this is simply a procedure of checking whether someone exists.

[comic boy]

yeah those bastards always trying to get people to vote. Suckers.

yeah... even dead ones, and really fucking stupid ones... by bribing them with cigarettes... f*ck that. not everyone should vote. if you haven't a goddamn clue... stay the f*ck home...

You just talked yourself out of a vote

[silent wind]

Oh, for goodness sake- that's just more of the same. Can you actually show a case of someone illegally voting having been registered by ACORN? That's what you claim, that's what I'd like to see. Stop messing around, admit that you were wrong, and move on.

I will concede that voter registration fraud is not the same as voter fraud... but lets be clear... ACORN committed fraud. There have been countless reports of duplicate and non existent registrants submitted. why the f*ck is anyone trying to defend these ass holes, when the organization was fraudulent? It wasn't like it was a few remote cases... it was rampant throughout the org. wtf?

and by the way, I can't really show you a case where someone fraudulently voted... but don't try to suggest that it doesn't happen... it most assuredly does.

[Woodruff]

not everyone should vote. if you haven't a goddamn clue... stay the f*ck home...

So you stayed home during the last election?

no. I voted. I voted third party... right and left candidates are a joke.

So you don't follow your own advice, then.

why do you assume that I don't have a clue. I am pretty well up on current events, I have a degree, I am employed, don't use drugs, active in my community... what, other than your lame attempts at trying to be witty, makes you suggest that I don't have a clue? I know what the f*ck is going on in Washington.

Have a degree doesn't mean you have a clue. It just means you can pass college courses. There are plenty of brilliant clueless idiots around.
Holding a job doesn't mean you have a clue. It just means you're employable.
Using drugs doesn't keep you from having a clue. Though given enough time, certain drugs will affect the cognitive process.
Being active in your community doesn't mean you have a clue. It just means you probably have a good heart.

So why do I assume you don't have a clue?

You seem to believe that the actions of a few individuals who happened to be working for ACORN are the determinant in deciding that ACORN itself (the organization) is guilty of fraud. Individuals who were collecting (or making up) voter registration cards were guilty, but that isn't at all the same as the organization being guilty. If you're going to claim that the organization is guilty, then you're going to have to prove that there was awareness/approval of those activities by folks in charge. Can you?

Yeah, I didn't think so either.

[silent wind]

Have a degree doesn't mean you have a clue. It just means you can pass college courses. There are plenty of brilliant clueless idiots around.
Holding a job doesn't mean you have a clue. It just means you're employable.
Using drugs doesn't keep you from having a clue. Though given enough time, certain drugs will affect the cognitive process.
Being active in your community doesn't mean you have a clue. It just means you probably have a good heart.

So why do I assume you don't have a clue?

You seem to believe that the actions of a few individuals who happened to be working for ACORN are the determinant in deciding that ACORN itself (the organization) is guilty of fraud. Individuals who were collecting (or making up) voter registration cards were guilty, but that isn't at all the same as the organization being guilty. If you're going to claim that the organization is guilty, then you're going to have to prove that there was awareness/approval of those activities by folks in charge. Can you?

Yeah, I didn't think so either.

The organization in and of itself has the appearance of being a well intended movement. The reality of it, however, is that it was set up with an incentive system that pretty much laid down no guidelines to prevent voter registration fraud. Was the point of it all to get Obama elected? On the surface, I say no, probably not, but if you look at how Obama and his party have financially rewarded Acorn with federal money after the election, I think that you can start to draw some pretty interesting lines that lead you to see that this whole thing with acorn was about bring the clueless to the poles. I'm not one to harp on someone for being ignorant or worthless to society as a whole, but I am one that believes the vast majority of Americans have no understanding of the real issues that plague our nation.

Is the Organization Corrupt... follow the money my friend, and you will see, the whole thing is a sham, built for profit on the charade of good intentions.

You can continue to suggest that I don't have a clue, but that is only your misconception, your inability to discern between having a clue, and having a different opinion than you do.

[Timminz]

I love lamp.

[silent wind]

I love lamp.

wtf?

[Timminz]

I love lamp.

wtf?

ftw

[silent wind]

I love lamp.

wtf?

ftw

that, I like