[GP] [Rules] Eliminate Deferred Troops

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:49 am

rejected thouzends of times

hulmey · Post by **hulmey** » Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:10 pm

so what if it is a stragey...Stop whinning people its part of the game.

If you miss ur turn u dont get ur contininent bonus doubled...Just armies total.So if u c a guy using it as a stragey attack his lands.simple as that

b.k. barunt · Post by **b.k. barunt** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 12:56 am

What's a stragey?

LetGodSortThem · Post by **LetGodSortThem** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:03 am

Miss a turn accept the consequences...You should not get "Extra armies"

Wisse · Post by **Wisse** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:54 am

hulmey wrote:so what if it is a stragey...Stop whinning people its part of the game.

If you miss ur turn u dont get ur contininent bonus doubled...Just armies total.So if u c a guy using it as a stragey attack his lands.simple as that

you do get it bonus, exept if it is concered

ericisshort · Post by **ericisshort** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:12 pm

Oh the irony of misspelling "conquered" on a site called "Conquer Club"

maniacmath17 · Post by **maniacmath17** » Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:32 pm

I wouldn't mind seeing an end to multiplied armies for missed turns.

In escalating games when you've got 5 cards as well as the other people, you'd much rather cash after the others have cashed in order to get more troops so sometimes I see people purposely missing a turn.

Maybe knowing that they won't be getting their reinforcements for that turn can somewhat discourage this strategy since it really holds up the game.

When you sign up for a game, you are making a commitment to the game and if you miss a turn, for whatever reason, you should be prepared for the consequences.

Trevor33 · Post by **Trevor33** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:47 am

Kahless · Post by **Kahless** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:50 am

hulmey wrote:so what if it is a stragey...Stop whinning people its part of the game.

Not if it encourages people to delay the game and bore the pants off their opponents

Corporate_slave · Post by **Corporate_slave** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:15 pm

The big debate:

Do you reward deadbeaters who skip turns to get an edge with bonus armies, or do you punish vacationers by taking away their bonus armies?

Well, let's look at the strategy of skipping turns...

False flag deadbeaters:

This is the player that misses the first two turns in a game; and then throws down between 9 and 15 armies on one country, and carves out a big chunk of the board.

The big suck about this player, is that after two missed turns, you can be pretty sure that they're not going to play - and all those countries are going to be gray. Then, suddenly they are a major power in the game. You've had no warning that they were even going to play at all... Let alone what their strategy is going to be. All of the other players have progressed their strategy with the assumption that the deadbeat is out. Meanwhile the deadbeat now has the opportunity to throw down in the most perfect spot, and they get to do it with a large number of armies...

If you were sitting down across the table from this deadbeat, you could look them in the eye and tell them where to stick their bonus armies because they aren't skipping any turns, so quit wasting time!

The occasional deadbeater:

This is the jerk who will miss six or seven turns in a game. (7 x 24 = 168 hours of wasted time...) This isn't as dishonorable as the false flag deadbeat; but definitely more annoying as the hours slowly roll by...

My proposed solution:

You can only miss two turns in the whole game. If you miss three turns - you're out - period. If you don't have enough time to play, then don't f&cking play.

You should get bonus armies once. So, when you go to start your next turn after having missed your last turn, it should prompt you with "You missed your last turn. You may only miss one more turn. Would you like to use your missed turn bonus army multiplier now?" Then, confirm "You have chosen to use your missed turn bonus army multiplier. Are you sure that you want to use it now?"

So, what do we do with the deadbeaters once they've been kicked from the game? I say they should loose double points. I can already hear the grumbling... SO, here's a compromise: Add a resign button to the game. That way, if you know you're going to be out, you can resign. The penalty for early resignation - as opposed to "sticking it out to the end" - is points times 1.5. So, if you would loose 20 points by being eliminated, being kicked would cost you an additional 20 points (40 total,) and resigning would cost you an additional 10 points (30 total.)

I can hear some of you asking "How is this fair for everyone?" Well, because whether you have a legitimate excuse or not, under the current system, if you miss two turns in a row, you will suddenly have three times as many armies to place than your opponents. Why should your opponents suffer when YOU are the one who missed a turn? Even if you're not abusing the system, you're still gaining an unfair advantage - not to mention slowing down the game.

Through these suggestions, we can eliminate some serious problems and loopholes within the current mode of operation.

LewisJB3 · Post by **LewisJB3** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:11 am

Great idea, then they could only cheat onec per game the way I understand you saying it and if they miss again they're out. Am I right? It would work a lot better thn the current system.

Windparson · Post by **Windparson** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 11:37 pm

No knowledge here just a slightly funny story. Week ago Wednesday, Valentines Day, I passed out at home from very low blood pressure. (Long story short, it was a new medicine reaction). When I woke up and became coherent I made my wife go back to the house and get the laptop. We only live a few miles from the hospital and she had followed the ambulance to the hospital. I know from wardriving the area, there were several free hotspots. (Truly free, I don't steal service). I logged on from the Emergency Room, and logged in to check and make my turns! Nurse came in and said, "No cell phones, turn that off!", I politely informed her I wasn't using a cell phone or a cell card, but regular old wireless networking. She sputtered a little and went away. I kept my turns up, and the ER had a story to tell. It was much more interesting to lay in the ER and play CC, while you are waiting for them to tell you, you're ok. I will shut back up now.

Windparson

Drainbamaged · Post by **Drainbamaged** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 11:44 am

That is a great story.

max is gr8 · Post by **max is gr8** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 12:18 pm

I still think if you miss a turn no big deal Now until we have rt games there is no way to guarantee the game is fast and everyone takes their turn every round if you don't like it go to a different website OR play 100 games so it doesn't matter if that happens

konifro · Post by **konifro** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 1:54 pm

It is a ridiculous rule and it encourages deadbeats. And those 4 votes against are probably deadbeats or site administrators.

I fail to see how it encourages them.

No knowledge here just a slightly funny story. Week ago Wednesday, Valentines Day, I passed out at home from very low blood pressure. (Long story short, it was a new medicine reaction). When I woke up and became coherent I made my wife go back to the house and get the laptop. We only live a few miles from the hospital and she had followed the ambulance to the hospital. I know from wardriving the area, there were several free hotspots. (Truly free, I don't steal service). I logged on from the Emergency Room, and logged in to check and make my turns! Nurse came in and said, "No cell phones, turn that off!", I politely informed her I wasn't using a cell phone or a cell card, but regular old wireless networking. She sputtered a little and went away. I kept my turns up, and the ER had a story to tell. It was much more interesting to lay in the ER and play CC, while you are waiting for them to tell you, you're ok. I will shut back up now.

Thats a very nice story. But here's the thing not all people have that convenience. Out of all my games I have missed one turn by 10 minutes, for the simple reason of a funeral, and being unable to have computer access. Not all people can make thier turn incase of emergencies, internet crashing, and among other things. If you miss a turn, it serves you no better than if you were around the turn before, and I can list a few reasons why.
Negatives to missing a turn:
1) You did not gain any territory, if anything some territory may have been lost.
2) You did not get a card, if its escalating, you may have lost if you missed a turn.
3) You may have lost any position to win, or if in a triples or doubles you've ultimatley let your team down, and may have lost it for them as well.
Positives to missing a turn:
1) What territory or bonuses you still have get doubled or tripled.

I think the negatives overwhelmingly outnumber the positives.

Corporate_slave · Post by **Corporate_slave** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 2:57 pm

Here's the solution:

Make the time limit for taking your turn ONE WEEK. Then, if you miss a turn, you're kicked out of the game... I mean really, if you can't take a turn within ONE WEEK...

Or perhaps a month would be long enough for you?

I could care less how long you get to take your turn, as long as you actually...

TAKE YOUR F___ING TURN.

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konifro · Post by **konifro** » Fri Feb 23, 2007 9:45 pm

Here's the solution:

Make the time limit for taking your turn ONE WEEK. Then, if you miss a turn, you're kicked out of the game... I mean really, if you can't take a turn within ONE WEEK...

Or perhaps a month would be long enough for you?

I could care less how long you get to take your turn, as long as you actually...

TAKE YOUR F___ING TURN.

Ummm, if your in a freestyle, and you miss 3 turns, that takes 3 days. Why give a week?

Corporate_slave · Post by **Corporate_slave** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:20 pm

konifro wrote:Ummm, if your in a freestyle, and you miss 3 turns, that takes 3 days. Why give a week?

I don't like playing freestyle...

max is gr8 · Post by **max is gr8** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 12:33 pm

maybe the first round could be freestyle if someone misses that then they are out then later they would have to be kicked out the old'e fashioned way

DAZMCFC · Post by **DAZMCFC** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 1:52 pm

too many people abuse this option of getting their armies doubled or tripled. they play a couple of rounds then miss 2 then play 1 then miss 1. it is a pain in the arse. i have prem, but it is still annoying.they should not get their armies doubled. :twisted:

konifro · Post by **konifro** » Sat Feb 24, 2007 2:51 pm

I don't like playing freestyle...

Even so, 3 days still doesn't solve deadbeating. It turns agonizing games of sequential from 3 weeks to possibly 1 1/2 months, depending on deadbeats. Either way, it is annoying for people to deadbeat rounds on purpose, but it really doesn't help you in the long run, people who do it on purpose are short term, and will get beat everytime from anyone decent.

Snowman · Post by **Snowman** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 5:28 pm

I agree that you shouldn't get troops for the rounds you missed.

Even worse, though, is how it works in freestyle games. I am in a freestyle game down to the last 2 players, my opponent deliberately missed his go and then started his next go as soon as the 24 hours was up so that he could use his double troops to effectively win the game. Fortunately I happened to be online at the time and was able to counter him but surely if you miss a go you should be unable to start the next round?

qeee1 · Post by **qeee1** » Sun Feb 25, 2007 6:02 pm

You should get troops, it's not really an advantage.

Anyway I'm really here to make the point that casual players (who are the players more likely to miss the occasional turn), are less likely to visit the forums, and thus will be underrepresented in any poll.

Kahless · Post by **Kahless** » Mon Feb 26, 2007 3:45 am

Snowman wrote:I agree that you shouldn't get troops for the rounds you missed.

Even worse, though, is how it works in freestyle games. I am in a freestyle game down to the last 2 players, my opponent deliberately missed his go and then started his next go as soon as the 24 hours was up so that he could use his double troops to effectively win the game. Fortunately I happened to be online at the time and was able to counter him but surely if you miss a go you should be unable to start the next round?

I agree there, this is exactly equivalent to finishing one round and starting the next

HabsNot · Post by **HabsNot** » Tue Feb 27, 2007 11:32 am

I've only seent his strategy used in No Card games. A player skipped his first 2 turns and let people thin themselves out and then that player places 9 armies in one area that had thinned out and wiped it clean. Questioned him on it and he denied it...yet he started the game. Why would you start a game and then disappear for 5 days? It is a cheap strategy. When it happens, all players in the game should be altruistic and wipe that player out and then take two turns to rebuild before attacking each other.
Otherwise, just play your strategy and be confident you can still beat a guy who does that.
(this guy lost miserably, but that was because we all ganged up on him. He was the first to get a continent and held it for a few waves of attacks before being wiped out. Then he complained...ironic eh?)

[GP] [Rules] Eliminate Deferred Troops

Deadbeating vs. vacationing... the solution

Worried about missing turns

I'VE GOT IT!!!!