Logic dictates that there is a God!

Jolly Roger · Post by **Jolly Roger** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:52 pm

The library is such a drag. I'd rather just complain on an internet forum.

Perhaps I will stay away from questions for which the answers can be found at the local library.

So, how's it goin?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 10:59 pm

unriggable wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
heavycola wrote: Creationists are, by definition, not rational people.

ROFL! Oh yeah, we are nut jobs. Like the Earth coming from some eternal ooze is "rational". Or that aliens started life of Earth as an experiment. Or some gases with no known origin created a "big bang". Yeah, give me a straitjacket and throw me in a padded cell.

Well, tell me, where did your god come from? "He's always been there" is not a valid answer as you don't accept it.

Actually, since God is eternal it is acceptable. He has always existed. He states that He has always existed. And Regis, that is my final answer!

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:02 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Actually, since God is eternal it is acceptable. He has always existed. He states that He has always existed. And Regis, that is my final answer!

Well, since life cannot come from nothing, then we must assume that God must have had a creator.

Or is God not alive?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:16 am

vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Actually, since God is eternal it is acceptable. He has always existed. He states that He has always existed. And Regis, that is my final answer!

Well, since life cannot come from nothing, then we must assume that God must have had a creator.

Or is God not alive?

God is life. All life comes from God. God had no creator, He IS the creator.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:25 am

jay_a2j wrote:God is life. All life comes from God. God had no creator, He IS the creator.

So God created himself? Everything has an origin.

maniacmath17 · Post by **maniacmath17** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 12:27 am

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Actually, since God is eternal it is acceptable. He has always existed. He states that He has always existed. And Regis, that is my final answer!

Well, since life cannot come from nothing, then we must assume that God must have had a creator.

Or is God not alive?

God is life. All life comes from God. God had no creator, He IS the creator.

Doesn't the whole concept of God having no creator DEFY LOGIC? Logic dictates everything has an origin.

Edit: lol vtmarik we almost said the same thing. Thats pretty spooky considering I never even saw your post.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:30 am

vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:God is life. All life comes from God. God had no creator, He IS the creator.

So God created himself? Everything has an origin.

If everything has an origin then:

a) nothing would exist (the very first thing would have to have an origin)

or

b) all things are derived from the same eternal source (which has no origin)

WL_southerner · Post by **WL_southerner** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 9:27 am

i love it you lot are crazy sods
4% dna belongs to proconsel ape its in every up right ape i think if i remember right homo sapeins share 92% dna with chimps so -4% dna umm
to get dna out of bones that is old is very hard, because older the bone faster the decay attack from acids
its been only sence they found that preserved body in the sommerset leavels have they been able to map out neanthalman dna
when you look at all the people around the world it make's alot of sence all round the world people have black hair apart from europe that are away from the mediteain aria, cantsay thats because of the cold temp or the same thing would of happen in north asia
if your intrested watch the next new horzin programs they will be doing one program on it with all the up todate facts

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:23 am

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Actually, since God is eternal it is acceptable. He has always existed. He states that He has always existed. And Regis, that is my final answer!

Well, since life cannot come from nothing, then we must assume that God must have had a creator.

Or is God not alive?

God is life. All life comes from God. God had no creator, He IS the creator.

Yet, when an atheist uses the exact same premise and says that the universe is eternal, had no creator and has always been here...you poopoo it as scientific bunk. :roll:

Sammy gags · Post by **Sammy gags** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:34 am

jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:God is life. All life comes from God. God had no creator, He IS the creator.

So God created himself? Everything has an origin.

If everything has an origin then:

a) nothing would exist (the very first thing would have to have an origin)

or

b) all things are derived from the same eternal source (which has no origin)

So you have just proven God wrong in a), what would be God's origin?

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:43 am

Backglass wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:
vtmarik wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Actually, since God is eternal it is acceptable. He has always existed. He states that He has always existed. And Regis, that is my final answer!

Well, since life cannot come from nothing, then we must assume that God must have had a creator.

Or is God not alive?

God is life. All life comes from God. God had no creator, He IS the creator.

Yet, when an atheist uses the exact same premise and says that the universe is eternal, had no creator and has always been here...you poopoo it as scientific bunk.

And why? Because an eternal, all-powerful God is more fathomable then a eternal universe that has the ability to create planets, suns and black holes.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 11:46 am

jay_a2j wrote:Because an eternal, all-powerful God is more fathomable then a eternal universe that has the ability to create planets, suns and black holes.

Thanks jay. You always prove my point.

vtmarik · Post by **vtmarik** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 1:22 pm

jay_a2j wrote:And why? Because an eternal, all-powerful God is more fathomable then a eternal universe that has the ability to create planets, suns and black holes.

I don't know about you, but I've always found the stage much more easy to envision than the stage manager if you get my drift.

AlgyTaylor · Post by **AlgyTaylor** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 2:54 pm

jay_a2j wrote:Actually, since God is eternal it is acceptable. He has always existed. He states that He has always existed.

When & where does he state this?

(btw the word "he" is subjective and so shouldn't be capitalised)

Kugelblitz22 · Post by **Kugelblitz22** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:15 pm

I haven't read this entire thread and probably won't. But logic does not dictate that there is a god. If you want to believe in god, fine. But logic as defined by mankind currently rules out knowing that there is a god. Please don't confuse people who might be interested in taking a college level logic course. God is something you take on faith, not logic. I won't post anything else for two reasons.

1# I'm too lazy to read through this entire thread and post a more intelligent response.

2# If all it took was a quick online post refuting god logically, you guys probably wouldn't believe in him currently.

3# It's called the scientific revolution. It's been around for a few hundred years. Climb aboard.

On a side note, I know that some people on this board have joined after serving in the military or losing someone extremely close to them... I have never experienced either of those things so I am hesitant to criticize your beliefs to harshly. I don't know if that makes sense but anyways...

PEACE OUT!

benmor78 · Post by **benmor78** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:17 pm

There's nothing contradictory in both accepting science and believing in a diety.

Kugelblitz22 · Post by **Kugelblitz22** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:24 pm

benmor78 wrote:There's nothing contradictory in both accepting science and believing in a diety.

I have heard this arguement before and I think I see where you are going with this. I suppose it depends on how you define the parameters of the arguement. I would be more likely to say that there is nothing contradictory in both accepting science and believing in the possibility of a deity.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:33 pm

jay_a2j wrote:And why? Because an eternal, all-powerful God is more fathomable then a eternal universe that has the ability to create planets, suns and black holes.

But it's illogical that God should be there as all of those things are capable of creating themselves.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 3:34 pm

benmor78 wrote:There's nothing contradictory in both accepting science and believing in a diety.

That's true, it's just people who assume that the bible or qoran is correct over science that we argue against.

jay_a2j · Post by **jay_a2j** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:54 pm

AlgyTaylor wrote:
jay_a2j wrote:Actually, since God is eternal it is acceptable. He has always existed. He states that He has always existed.

When & where does he state this?

(btw the word "he" is subjective and so shouldn't be capitalised)

I'm sure that there are other verses that state His eternal existence but the one I know off hand is, "I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end."

You do capitalize the H when speaking about God.....its a respect thing. (for those of us who do respect Him)

Hitman079 · Post by **Hitman079** » Wed Feb 21, 2007 10:59 pm

has Jesse, Bad Boy crashed this party yet?
oh, and
GOD FOREVER!!!

WL_southerner · Post by **WL_southerner** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:17 am

alpha and omega dont that story belong to babylon pagan god

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:21 am

I thought it was from Unreal Tournament...

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 8:37 am

jay_a2j wrote:"I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end."

"I am the eggman, they are the eggmen, I am the walrus, goo goo g'joob"

And I know the walrus exists...I have actually seen him!

Even the Hippo, Rabbit and Bird know this AND TREMBLE!

AlgyTaylor · Post by **AlgyTaylor** » Thu Feb 22, 2007 9:47 am

jay_a2j wrote:I'm sure that there are other verses that state His eternal existence but the one I know off hand is, "I am the Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end."

Does this not assume that the bible is the exact word of god?

Do you agree that, as the bible has been first written, and then translated, from the eyes of humans, then there is a very real chance that the work contains errors?

jay_a2j wrote:You do capitalize the H when speaking about God.....its a respect thing. (for those of us who do respect Him)

Can you not show respect without using poor grammer? If God did invent language, as I assume that you believe, I'd have thought he'd have wanted to use it properly ...

Logic dictates that there is a God!

Does God exist?

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