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rockfist wrote:I do find in a lot of cases pointing out someone's spelling errors or gramatical errors is a means to distract attention from the fact that the person pointing it out has no real means to refute the opponents ideas and needs to change the subject or ridicule the other person's intelligence in order to make themseleves feel better about their own inability to argue the matter sucessfully.


I find that you are dumb.

And it's even dumber to go into an obvious troll thread. be massive trollbait and then play like you've been victimized. Take a cue from luns. He gets that this thread is just a joke, is saving his real comments for a Serious Business thread, but was kind enough to bump this.

Or, take a cue from greekdog, and keep the joke going by upping the stakes.

Maybe you could pull an AAFitz style of upping the stakes, and post some long, rambly reply that goes way off topic and somehow manages to include an anecdote about some safari or something he went on like a hundred years ago or.... ugh. Just thinking about it is making my eyes bleed.

Or maybe you're just trying to be as obnoxious as possible, and want to ensure you end up getting put on ignore by everyone.

spurgistan wrote:I'd like to go on the record and say that I knew greekdawg was kidding.


I really don't know how anyone missed that he was joking. But, to be fair, Titanic is one of the forum limeys, so there's probably an idiom barrier there, to an extent.
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Woody, greek, and porkenbeans can't all be the smartest person in this forum. This needs to get cleared up now so we know who to listen to. :?
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pimpdave wrote:
rockfist wrote:I do find in a lot of cases pointing out someone's spelling errors or gramatical errors is a means to distract attention from the fact that the person pointing it out has no real means to refute the opponents ideas and needs to change the subject or ridicule the other person's intelligence in order to make themseleves feel better about their own inability to argue the matter sucessfully.


I find that you are dumb.

And it's even dumber to go into an obvious troll thread. be massive trollbait and then play like you've been victimized. Take a cue from luns. He gets that this thread is just a joke, is saving his real comments for a Serious Business thread, but was kind enough to bump this.

Or, take a cue from greekdog, and keep the joke going by upping the stakes.

Maybe you could pull an AAFitz style of upping the stakes, and post some long, rambly reply that goes way off topic and somehow manages to include an anecdote about some safari or something he went on like a hundred years ago or.... ugh. Just thinking about it is making my eyes bleed.

Or maybe you're just trying to be as obnoxious as possible, and want to ensure you end up getting put on ignore by everyone.

spurgistan wrote:I'd like to go on the record and say that I knew greekdawg was kidding.


I really don't know how anyone missed that he was joking. But, to be fair, Titanic is one of the forum limeys, so there's probably an idiom barrier there, to an extent.


OMG my life would be over if someone as intelligent as you was ignoring me.
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If you can't tell when people are making obvious jokes, you're in for an awful lot of frustration and tears around here.

Is somebody recruiting you to come here from the Sean Hannity forums? I swear, you write just like they do. By the way, what do you think of my new alias over there? Good times.
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john9blue wrote:Woody, greek, and porkenbeans can't all be the smartest person in this forum. This needs to get cleared up now so we know who to listen to. :?

it is obviously ME!!!!
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pimpdave wrote:If you can't tell when people are making obvious jokes, you're in for an awful lot of frustration and tears around here.

Is somebody recruiting you to come here from the Sean Hannity forums? I swear, you write just like they do. By the way, what do you think of my new alias over there? Good times.


There are Hannity forums, my god, i can't imagine how bad those are...
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Titanic wrote:
pimpdave wrote:If you can't tell when people are making obvious jokes, you're in for an awful lot of frustration and tears around here.

Is somebody recruiting you to come here from the Sean Hannity forums? I swear, you write just like they do. By the way, what do you think of my new alias over there? Good times.


There are Hannity forums, my god, i can't imagine how bad those are...


They are fucking awesome.
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Who is smarter on average; Cons. or Libs. ?

Well, this is a very interesting question. Many things, go in to making a bright person. Among them are I.Q., "street Smarts", compassion, empathy, kindness, wealth, cunning, business sense, -just to name a few. I guess it all depends on just what attributes, you consider as being "smart". I may consider kindness, as a smart attribute to have, where someone else might consider it as just the opposite.

If we were to only acknowledge I.Q., then it becomes a question that can be approached in a manner, that even the dumbest among us can possibly comprehend.

If I.Q. alone is to be the measure, then we would need to start by taking a cross section of the population, with an equal number of Conservatives and liberals. all social classes, along with racial and religious groups must be included. Then simply tally up the I.Q. scores.

Who would come out on top ?

I could only guess, but however the results, I believe they would be misleading.

I think the real question should be,
Which is the righteous, and which has more wisdom; The philosophy of the Right, or that of the Left ?

The Right has a pure Capitalistic view. This view is manifested in such a way as too take advantage of the working class. If left unbridled, it will produce sweat shops, forced labor and just plane misery, for everyone that is at the bottom of the social ladder. This philosophy does not care one iota for the welfare of its workers. This philosophy says that the minority ruling class is to be privileged over the majority. This flies in the face of Democracy at its very core. It is actually closer to the way things were back in the days of yore, when Feudalistic and theocratic societies were the rule of the day.

Democracy, or the "LEFT" was born when the ruled finally figured out that they were the majority, and the real power was on their side. BUT, it must first be organized, because only by banding together can the overwhelming numbers rise up to defeat the kings paid swords. We have witnessed this same kind of awaking of the working class over and over again throughout history. From the rise of the USA and its separation from England, to its own rise of the workers unions in the 20th century.Time and time again we have seen that by the banding together of the lower class, it is possible to effect a change in the lives of the working class to become more Democratic, and thereby, more "LEFT".

Democracy says, everyone gets to vote, and their vote counts just as much as everyone else 's vote, regardless of class or wealth.

How is it that today we see a more or less equal amount of people in the USA that consider themselves Cons. or Libs. ?

Has the upper class been out breading the working class ?

Are there now, just as many Chiefs as Indians ?

No my friends, there will always be a majority that is the "Workers".

So how is it that in the United States of America, The Workers Party, (that is the Democrats), are not able to simply out vote the upper class at every turn ?

It is really very simple why this is so, but I have ranted enough for now. I will let the conversation carry on from here for the moment. There are a few very bright individuals here that can easily pick up the torch and explain this quandary, ...I am sure. 8-)
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They may be sad during flights, but right-wingers are quite happy on the ground. :D
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john9blue wrote:They may be sad during flights, but right-wingers are quite happy on the ground. :D


It's because they are racists.
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porkenbeans wrote:Who is smarter on average; Cons. or Libs. ?

Well, this is a very interesting question. Many things, go in to making a bright person. Among them are I.Q., "street Smarts", compassion, empathy, kindness, wealth, cunning, business sense, -just to name a few. I guess it all depends on just what attributes, you consider as being "smart". I may consider kindness, as a smart attribute to have, where someone else might consider it as just the opposite.

If we were to only acknowledge I.Q., then it becomes a question that can be approached in a manner, that even the dumbest among us can possibly comprehend.

If I.Q. alone is to be the measure, then we would need to start by taking a cross section of the population, with an equal number of Conservatives and liberals. all social classes, along with racial and religious groups must be included. Then simply tally up the I.Q. scores.

Who would come out on top ?

I could only guess, but however the results, I believe they would be misleading.

I think the real question should be,
Which is the righteous, and which has more wisdom; The philosophy of the Right, or that of the Left ?

The Right has a pure Capitalistic view. This view is manifested in such a way as too take advantage of the working class. If left unbridled, it will produce sweat shops, forced labor and just plane misery, for everyone that is at the bottom of the social ladder. This philosophy does not care one iota for the welfare of its workers. This philosophy says that the minority ruling class is to be privileged over the majority. This flies in the face of Democracy at its very core. It is actually closer to the way things were back in the days of yore, when Feudalistic and theocratic societies were the rule of the day.

Democracy, or the "LEFT" was born when the ruled finally figured out that they were the majority, and the real power was on their side. BUT, it must first be organized, because only by banding together can the overwhelming numbers rise up to defeat the kings paid swords. We have witnessed this same kind of awaking of the working class over and over again throughout history. From the rise of the USA and its separation from England, to its own rise of the workers unions in the 20th century.Time and time again we have seen that by the banding together of the lower class, it is possible to effect a change in the lives of the working class to become more Democratic, and thereby, more "LEFT".

Democracy says, everyone gets to vote, and their vote counts just as much as everyone else 's vote, regardless of class or wealth.

How is it that today we see a more or less equal amount of people in the USA that consider themselves Cons. or Libs. ?

Has the upper class been out breading the working class ?

Are there now, just as many Chiefs as Indians ?

No my friends, there will always be a majority that is the "Workers".

So how is it that in the United States of America, The Workers Party, (that is the Democrats), are not able to simply out vote the upper class at every turn ?

It is really very simple why this is so, but I have ranted enough for now. I will let the conversation carry on from here for the moment. There are a few very bright individuals here that can easily pick up the torch and explain this quandary, ...I am sure. 8-)


... There is a great deal more to conservative philosophy than capitalism, though capitalism is one "pillar". Your observations do not address social or cultural issues and perhaps the most representative ideas of personal responsibility and success through application of work and skills. But you enter the conversation from the Left, so I guess I cannot blame you.

... Also the idea that the LEFT is democracy... Perhaps that was the case in the past, but the current leftist representatives in the congress care nothing for what you or I think (not to imply the rightists necessarily do). How else could one explain a vote set intentionally for 1 am so as nobody will watch while the congress changes our way of life and puts our children in debt for the rest of their lives, with a clear majority of citizens opposed? (but that's another thread I suppose).

... In terms of IQ, I think it is obvious that those who declare themselves liberal, progressive, or leftist, have on average, more education and possibly higher IQs. But the comparison is not valid. Whereas trailer trash, "You can take my gun when you pry it from my cold, dead fingers" type conservatives are indeed self-declared conservatives, along with the college educated. I've never met a poor democrat with no education who declared themselves progressive. They are not even in the equation used for the comparison... and there are many many millions of them.

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Nobunaga wrote:... There is a great deal more to conservative philosophy than capitalism, though capitalism is one "pillar". Your observations do not address social or cultural issues and perhaps the most representative ideas of personal responsibility and success through application of work and skills.

It's not only capitalism! It's only capitalism and capitalism!

Or were you talking about how your bollocks about personal responsibility and succes isn't going towards "capitalism is fucking awesome. people who fail are fucked, f*ck them. yay capitalism"
But you enter the conversation from the Left, so I guess I cannot blame you.

"You are from the left, you are dumb so I ignore your point." (I also drink your milkshake.)
... Also the idea that the LEFT is democracy... Perhaps that was the case in the past, but the current leftist representatives in the congress care nothing for what you or I think (not to imply the rightists necessarily do). How else could one explain a vote set intentionally for 1 am so as nobody will watch while the congress changes our way of life and puts our children in debt for the rest of their lives, with a clear majority of citizens opposed? (but that's another thread I suppose).

The fact that the US senate is corrupt as f*ck --> leftists are against democracy.
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... A majority of Americans oppose the present health care bill.

... The democrats of the senate, and only the democrats, are going to vote for it at 1 am just before Christmas. They will hide during the night to do it and they will hope the holiday season has you distracted.

... These people are leftist. Again, a clear majority opposes it. Is this democracy?

Poll:
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... are_reform

... 61% of Americans oppose the use of Federal cash to fund abortions. Guess what? It's in the bill. Yay Democracy!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 00021.html

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Nobunaga wrote: A majority of Americans oppose the present health care bill.

The democrats of the senate, and only the democrats, are going to vote for it at 1 am just before Christmas. They will hide during the night to do it and they will hope the holiday season has you distracted.

These people are leftist. Again, a clear majority opposes it. Is this democracy?


Dude, I am against the present health care bill. Because it's fucking full of concessions to the blue dogs who don't really want a reform. It's mostly a mess full of shit to not let the insurance-companies lose too much money. People aren't against it because it's a healthcare reform, they're against it because doesn't go far enough.


“The most significant detail in the data is that 63% of senior citizens oppose the plan, including 52% who strongly oppose it,” says Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports. “Seniors are significant in this debate both because they use the health care system more than anyone else and because they vote more than younger voters.”


You know what is awesome? The fact that this bill won't affect in any way these senior citizens. They are either already on medicare and thus a part of the great big bad socialist health-care, or able to afford private insurance.
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Snorri1234 wrote:
Nobunaga wrote: A majority of Americans oppose the present health care bill.

The democrats of the senate, and only the democrats, are going to vote for it at 1 am just before Christmas. They will hide during the night to do it and they will hope the holiday season has you distracted.

These people are leftist. Again, a clear majority opposes it. Is this democracy?


Dude, I am against the present health care bill. Because it's fucking full of concessions to the blue dogs who don't really want a reform. It's mostly a mess full of shit to not let the insurance-companies lose too much money. People aren't against it because it's a healthcare reform, they're against it because doesn't go far enough.


“The most significant detail in the data is that 63% of senior citizens oppose the plan, including 52% who strongly oppose it,” says Scott Rasmussen, president of Rasmussen Reports. “Seniors are significant in this debate both because they use the health care system more than anyone else and because they vote more than younger voters.”


You know what is awesome? The fact that this bill won't affect in any way these senior citizens. They are either already on medicare and thus a part of the great big bad socialist health-care, or able to afford private insurance.


... Except of course for the massive cuts to medicare, which is how the congress plans to (partially) pay for the thing.

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Are you carrying a goat with you?
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Because I'm rather hungry.
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When I last posted, I thought that a Lib. would come in and pic up where I left off. But, low and behold, one from the other side has come in and hit the nail on the head. Unwittingly he has answered the question that I posed.

How is it that the minority is able to garner a relatively equal amount of votes when they are so overwhelmingly outnumbered by the workers ?

If all of the workers voted in their own best interests, they would not be voting with the rich Fat Cats that are the privileged overlords. They would be voting with the Party that stands up for the lower classes. They would be voting for the party that represents the Labor Unions. They would be voting for the party that is fighting for Universal Health Care.

Ya know, I think that it does come down to intelligence after all.

The intelligence of the upper class to trick the dummies of the middle and lower class. They trick them, and get them to vote against their own best interests, by making them think that is all about values and morals. I hate to say it but, we sure do breed a whole lot of dummies. While these morons think they are voting for the progression of wholesome "Christian" values, they are actually voting for the privileged few that get rich on the backs of the workers.

They wave the Christian flag along side of the Stars and Stripes, and hold their chins to the sky with pride. They use the Holy Bible to thump people on the head, instead of reading the words of Jesus, that is within.

They are self righteous hypocrites, that have learned not a word from the Prince of Peace.

nobuniga, you talk of the millions of gun toting trailer trash that cast their votes for the Righteous side. Yes you are dead on with this observation. What you fail to realize is, the fact that these people are the less educated among us, and are the easiest to fool into thinking, that they are voting for apple pie and baseball, and all that is good and righteous.

The truth is, your leaders that talk the loudest and wave the flag the highest, are just as human as the rest of us. They have the same, if not more of the lustful thoughts and feelings as we all as humans do. From your politicians to your preachers. The big difference is they are hypocrites, and some, just down right con artists. Their game is as old as dirt, and as long as we keep producing uneducated, ignorant and gullible people, they will continue to trick them into casting their vote for the wrong side.
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Nobunaga wrote:... The democrats of the senate, and only the democrats, are going to vote for it at 1 am just before Christmas. They will hide during the night to do it and they will hope the holiday season has you distracted.


No, they aren't. The FACT is that those who would pay attention to the vote if it were at 4:00pm are also going to be paying attention to it at 1:00am. In this day and age of the internet, it doesn't matter what time they vote, as their votes will be recorded for all to see regardless. Those who give a crap will go find out how they voted, regardless of the time of the vote itself, and Congress realizes this.
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spurgistan wrote:I'd like to go on the record and say that I knew greekdawg was kidding.

for some reason, whenever I write Greekdog I think of this. You should probably be honored.


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