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Titanic · Post by **Titanic** » Sun Feb 18, 2007 5:31 am

US won't fall due to an invasion. Firstly, who could beat them. Secondly, they'll then use nukes, thus the mutually assured destruction which stopped a proper conflict during the cold war.

Probably internal collapse or losing power to the EU and China. We'll have a better idea by the 2040's.

ptlowe · Post by **ptlowe** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:39 am

HAHAHA the EU...Not to worried. China and even Russia are in better shape then the EU. Titanic stop being an American Hater and realize that the EU will always be made up of several countries just having a better trade system. Hell your country doesnt even use the same currency. I have been to four countries in Europe and most of them didnt even like the UK.

Titanic · Post by **Titanic** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:42 am

Ptlowe, the EU is becoming more politically, socially, technologically and economically integrated each year. The new constitution will probably be passed this year, or next year at the latest. Within 10 years the EU will be showing proper and developed charateristics of a country, as will be as strong as USA.

I am not an American hater, but I do believe there are some major and fundamental flaws with the system America use and I do hate the politicians and American government. I have nothing against American people and citizens.

Russias days are gone, they may be a great power, but never a super power within the next century at least. Also, I know people dont like the UK, but so what? I'm sure theres state in USA that people dont like, or people from certain areas that are disliked. When the EU is properly functioning then with more intergration between business and people then there will be more understading and less "hatrid".

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:54 am

ptlowe wrote:HAHAHA the EU...Not to worried. China and even Russia are in better shape then the EU. Titanic stop being an American Hater and realize that the EU will always be made up of several countries just having a better trade system. Hell your country doesnt even use the same currency. I have been to four countries in Europe and most of them didnt even like the UK.

The people don't that's because in soccer their asses get handed to them.

DirtyDishSoap · Post by **DirtyDishSoap** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:33 am

China actually has the best chance to become the strongest world power as of right now, Russia on the other hand looks done for havent heard of them being very active since the cold war but i could be wrong

But we'll see in 2040 i guess, shit happens and a random country might pull off a miracle or two too become a super power

Titanic · Post by **Titanic** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 11:58 am

The thing with China is that most of its growth is through industrial and manufacturing means. Theres a limit to how much they can grow through those means. However, India is becoming very good at IT and software craetion, so in the future they could keep on expanding into the electrical and high tech market. The EU is already very well established in terms of exports. China needs to progress into a different market, but the only one that I can see them going into is finance. The main difficulty with that is that London, NY and Tokyo are going to do as much as possible to stop that and to make sure the power remains between them three, rather then with Shanghai as well.

China cannot really go into high tech industry anytime soon as they do not have enough well educated graduates to do so. Most of theit technological advancements are coming through espionage against the USA. India is pumping our 2 million university graduates every year, all of whom can speak English fluently. The EU has a very large educated population and the standard of education are among the best in the world and are still improving, especially significantly in eastern Europe and the new EU12.

Overall, I can't see in which areas China is going to expand into in the future, but even if they stay in the manufactuing industry they will become a superpower as they will have a huge voice in world trade, and eventually they will inporve their productivity and efficiency of the factories, which will lead to lower price. However, they are going to be pressured by WTO into putting their currency on the free market rather thena fixed rate. India will carry on expanding, especially into the high tech industry and electronic software creation. The EU is already there, and just needs to integrate more. Anyway, thats my view of the rising superpowers, and how they will turn out like in the next couple of decades.

foolish_yeti · Post by **foolish_yeti** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 6:05 pm

We don't have to worry about China- with the amount of coal fired energy up there the sun will be blocked out in a matter of years. No sunlight will...

....wait....

Turn them into vampires.

Edit: I am very worried about the Chinese.

Anony#1 · Post by **Anony#1** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 7:49 pm

D.IsleRealBrown wrote:
Anony#1 wrote:Man, all this awesome from one country really gives me a boner.

Yet another stupid quote from a belligerent american who can't even spell his name!

What a comeback, D.Shitzle. You've really shown me what's what. :roll:

minihaymanz wrote:
Anony#1 wrote:Man, all this awesome from one country really gives me a boner.

As does man-on-man porn I'm sure...

Aww, is the worthless Canadian gonna cry now? Come on, crossing that boarder will enlighten you on how much your country sucks ass.

unriggable · Post by **unriggable** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:27 pm

Titanic wrote:US won't fall due to an invasion. Firstly, who could beat them. Secondly, they'll then use nukes, thus the mutually assured destruction which stopped a proper conflict during the cold war.

Probably internal collapse or losing power to the EU and China. We'll have a better idea by the 2040's.

Agree, the military will save the US from any external force. Hippies, activists, religious figures and zealots will be the demise of America. Pretty much those extreme people on the left and right that wish to tear the country from the inside, out.

hourman · Post by **hourman** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:40 pm

dude america is awesome and we saved europes ass twice in thiis past century and we are saving you guys rigth now by in iraq if they were not occupied with us theyll would be so much more terreorist attacks so before you say anything think before you speak this whole topic is fucking stupid and we could take anybodys ass rigth now china cant do fucking anything we are almighty bitches.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 8:43 pm

Wow your opinion stinks as much as your score (considering the games played)! Its even lower than mine!

Seriously though, you're an idiot. read the thread there's plenty of decent argument from both sides.[/i]

hendy · Post by **hendy** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 9:29 pm

CANADA!

foolish_yeti · Post by **foolish_yeti** » Mon Feb 19, 2007 10:10 pm

Anony#1 wrote:Aww, is the worthless Canadian gonna cry now? Come on, crossing that boarder will enlighten you on how much your country sucks ass.

Wow, perhaps you need to go outside your borders to see what's really going on with your country.

Koba · Post by **Koba** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 11:44 am

hourman wrote:dude america is awesome and we saved europes ass twice in thiis past century and we are saving you guys rigth now by in iraq if they were not occupied with us theyll would be so much more terreorist attacks so before you say anything think before you speak this whole topic is fucking stupid and we could take anybodys ass rigth now china cant do fucking anything we are almighty bitches.

Wow, I actually had difficulty reading this! It hurt my eyes! And there are so many reasons for that.
This topic really does remind me of something in a booklet I have for my course. We were doing about history in popular media. It's talking mostly about U571, but also about war films in general.

why let history get in the way of a good story? After all, explaining the truth in 120 minutes to those Americans who had sat through Saving Private Ryan imagining they had won the war single handed would be far too complex

- John Crace, 'It's the way you tell it', The Guardian, 17 December 2002.

Remind anyone of anything...?

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:10 pm

Remember reading that article I think. Very thought provoking.

Titanic · Post by **Titanic** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:24 pm

hourman wrote:dude america is awesome and we saved europes ass twice in thiis past century and we are saving you guys rigth now by in iraq if they were not occupied with us theyll would be so much more terreorist attacks so before you say anything think before you speak this whole topic is fucking stupid and we could take anybodys ass rigth now china cant do fucking anything we are almighty bitches.

LMAO!! MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS IF YOUR WERENT IN IRAQ??? 100 people a day are dying in Iraq because of you, the Madrid and London bombings are becase of Iraq, and pretty much all the foiled attack are because of Iraq. If we were not in Iraq, 9/11 would be the only major terrorist attack on western soil my Islamic extremists.

Read the whole topic, I can't be bothered to correct you about the two wars. Your not saving us in Iraq, your causing us more problems and more security issues then before. China could do a lot, and you might be able to beat them, but before you beat them they would nuke you so you'll be fucked. Its called mutally assured destruction. The reason why there was never a proper conflict in the world war.

Also, we're actually talking about the future, and how China might overtake you in economic strength in about 40 years.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 12:53 pm

Titanic wrote:
hourman wrote:dude america is awesome and we saved europes ass twice in thiis past century and we are saving you guys rigth now by in iraq if they were not occupied with us theyll would be so much more terreorist attacks so before you say anything think before you speak this whole topic is fucking stupid and we could take anybodys ass rigth now china cant do fucking anything we are almighty bitches.

LMAO!! MORE TERRORIST ATTACKS IF YOUR WERENT IN IRAQ??? 100 people a day are dying in Iraq because of you, the Madrid and London bombings are becase of Iraq, and pretty much all the foiled attack are because of Iraq. If we were not in Iraq, 9/11 would be the only major terrorist attack on western soil my Islamic extremists.

Sadly, this is a very common theme here in the US. A large number of Americans believe that by being in Iraq, we are somehow deflecting and drawing the attention away from our homeland. They then go on to say that this is why there have been no more terrorist attacks on US soil, as the "evildoers" are all focused on our presence in Iraq. :roll:

Of course, this assumes that the extremists are spoon-fed idiots, which we know them not to be. Just a look at the escalating number of US serviceman deaths will tell you that.

Warrior987 · Post by **Warrior987** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:30 pm

Their is evidence that the reason more servicemen are dying is b/c of Iran. I do believe that they are suppling weapons to insurgents, but that does not make it fact it is just a suspicion. Americans do not think we won the second world war single handedly. The majority of us try our best to better our nation, but there are also some of us, such as hourman, who believe that we are almighty. We are the best or we wouldn't be on top. While that may not last for long there is nothing that any of your nations could do about it for the time being. Even if you guys did call an "earthly alliance" against us you probably wouldn't get very far. The American spirit won't be broke. We will fight to the last person to keep our freedom. All of you may think that we don't have alot of freedoms and that we are just blinded by our belief that we do. I live in America and I can tell you with a honest face that there is nothing we really can't do short of causing bodily harm to someone. We can even refuse to take drug test if we feel that it inhibits our freedom.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 1:45 pm

Warrior987 wrote:We can even refuse to take drug test if we feel that it inhibits our freedom.

It may get you fired...but you CAN refuse! :lol:

DirtyDishSoap · Post by **DirtyDishSoap** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 2:06 pm

Titanic wrote:The thing with China is that most of its growth is through industrial and manufacturing means. Theres a limit to how much they can grow through those means. However, India is becoming very good at IT and software craetion, so in the future they could keep on expanding into the electrical and high tech market. The EU is already very well established in terms of exports. China needs to progress into a different market, but the only one that I can see them going into is finance. The main difficulty with that is that London, NY and Tokyo are going to do as much as possible to stop that and to make sure the power remains between them three, rather then with Shanghai as well.

China cannot really go into high tech industry anytime soon as they do not have enough well educated graduates to do so. Most of theit technological advancements are coming through espionage against the USA. India is pumping our 2 million university graduates every year, all of whom can speak English fluently. The EU has a very large educated population and the standard of education are among the best in the world and are still improving, especially significantly in eastern Europe and the new EU12.

Overall, I can't see in which areas China is going to expand into in the future, but even if they stay in the manufactuing industry they will become a superpower as they will have a huge voice in world trade, and eventually they will inporve their productivity and efficiency of the factories, which will lead to lower price. However, they are going to be pressured by WTO into putting their currency on the free market rather thena fixed rate. India will carry on expanding, especially into the high tech industry and electronic software creation. The EU is already there, and just needs to integrate more. Anyway, thats my view of the rising superpowers, and how they will turn out like in the next couple of decades.

Im not talking finacial means im talking military wise, as of right now they have THE worlds largest armed force...
Nationmaster.com is where i got my info

Titanic · Post by **Titanic** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:04 pm

I know they have the largest army in the world, but their technology is shite compared to the USA and Europe. UK, which has a much smaller army could beat them. The tanks, aircraft, navy, guns, armour, ammunition etc are all pretty standard in China comapred to our standards. Only when China becomes richer and can afford to pay for military research in the amount USA does can it even try to compete with them militarily.

Guiscard · Post by **Guiscard** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:10 pm

Look at Russia in both World Wars. Number of troops count for a lot. For some reason I don't think China would have a huge problem sending thousands to their deaths...

Nevertheless, no ground war between China and the US or Europe will happen any time soon, so its a pointless argument really.

edit: Take a look at this link and do a bit of googling... Its pretty interesting what many political forecatsers are predicting for this century...

Titanic · Post by **Titanic** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 3:54 pm

Russia still had technology which was comparable to the Germans and central/Axis powers though, unlike China to Europe or the USA. Btw, which link?

areon · Post by **areon** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:00 pm

Warrior987 wrote:Their is evidence that the reason more servicemen are dying is b/c of Iran. I do believe that they are suppling weapons to insurgents, but that does not make it fact it is just a suspicion.

Nice contradiction. I hope you know the US is a state sponsor of terrorists as well, deal with it.

flashleg8 · Post by **flashleg8** » Tue Feb 20, 2007 4:46 pm

Guiscard wrote:edit: Take a look at this link and do a bit of googling... Its pretty interesting what many political forecatsers are predicting for this century...

Did you post your "missing link" somewhere else? Perhaps the evolution thread :wink:

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