Central America [Quenched]

[AndyDufresne]

#2 probably fits with the land's texture, but I really like #1, and would rather see you to find a land pattern to match that.

I also am not a big fan of brightness of the ocean, but I realize that it perfectly fits within the bright theme you have going on---just noting personal taste for no reason really.


--Andy

[MrBenn]

I think I'd prefer the sea a bit of it were more blue and less cyan (if that makes sense).

You could use some sort of brown for the non-playable areas - that might look more natural than the grey.

The new minimap is fantastic - well done on that (and deserved props to RJ for sharing his wisdom).

[AndyDufresne]

I think I'd prefer the sea a bit of it were more blue and less cyan (if that makes sense).

You could use some sort of brown for the non-playable areas - that might look more natural than the grey.

The new minimap is fantastic - well done on that (and deserved props to RJ for sharing his wisdom).

I usually tend to agree with Benn---and I do once again with all these points.


--Andy

[lgoasklucyl]

I think I'd prefer the sea a bit of it were more blue and less cyan (if that makes sense).

You could use some sort of brown for the non-playable areas - that might look more natural than the grey.

The new minimap is fantastic - well done on that (and deserved props to RJ for sharing his wisdom).

RJ is incredible, isn't he?

I can try both of those things... I definitely understand where you're going with both!

[yeti_c]

I always quite like topological colours in seas...

i.e.
[bigimg]http://www.gulfmex.org/maps/projects/caribbean_1000px.jpg[/bigimg]

[bigimg]http://www.ig.utexas.edu/research/projects/caribbean/images/topo_big.gif[/bigimg]

Thoughts?

C.

[AndyDufresne]

I think topological seas could work in a map---though I'm not convinced about this map, however. But a topological thematic map could be maybe worth pursuing in some direction---hm, bananas for Map Ideas thought!


--Andy

[yeti_c]

Marianas trench map anyone?!

C.

[oaktown]

Wow, it's alive! Glad to see you back at it, lgo.

I've got the code put together for this... had it months ago, but just went in and updated the territory changes. I can't for the life of me remember what we'd decided about started territories - I think just making sure that El Salvador is split up in 1v1 games, yes?

Obviously the coordinates aren't done, and the image sizes can be adjusted once there are final large/small images. I'll check back occasionally to make sure this gets done.

Little nitpick: the sea attack route from Cayes to Orange Walk kind of gets lost in the islands and the top of the map. Having it come out of the Cayes closer to the army count would be more effective.

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<?xml version="1.0"?>
<map>

    <title>Central America</title>
    <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
    <smallheight>600</smallheight>
    <largewidth>740</largewidth>
    <largeheight>596</largeheight>
    <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<positions>
   <position>
      <territory>San Salvador</territory>
   </position>
   <position>
      <territory>Usulután</territory>
   </position>
</positions>

<continent>
      <name>Guatemala</name>
      <bonus>3</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Petén</territory>
         <territory>Izabal</territory>
         <territory>Las Verapaces</territory>
         <territory>Quetzaltenango</territory>
         <territory>Guatemala</territory>
      </components>
</continent>
         <!---->
<continent>
      <name>Belize</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Orange Walk</territory>
         <territory>The Cayes</territory>
         <territory>Belmopan</territory>
      </components>
</continent>
         <!---->
<continent>
      <name>Honduras</name>
      <bonus>4</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Copán</territory>
         <territory>Alténtida</territory>
         <territory>Islas de la Bahía</territory>
         <territory>Tegucigalpa</territory>
         <territory>Olancho</territory>
         <territory>Colón</territory>
      </components>
</continent>
         <!---->
<continent>
      <name>El Salvador</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>San Salvador</territory>
         <territory>Usulután</territory>
      </components>
</continent>
         <!---->
<continent>
      <name>Nicaragua</name>
      <bonus>5</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</territory>
         <territory>Jinotega</territory>
         <territory>Chinandega</territory>
         <territory>Managua</territory>
         <territory>Boaca</territory>
         <territory>Altátnico Sur</territory>
         <territory>Rio San Juan</territory>
      </components>
</continent>
         <!---->
<continent>
      <name>Panamá</name>
      <bonus>3</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Darien Gap</territory>
         <territory>Canál</territory>
         <territory>Bocas del Toro</territory>
         <territory>Chiriqui</territory>
         <territory>Coclé</territory>
      </components>
</continent>
         <!---->
<continent>
      <name>Costa Rica</name>
      <bonus>2</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Limón</territory>
         <territory>Puntarenas</territory>
         <territory>San Jose</territory>     
      </components>
</continent>

<continent>
      <name>Shipping Lanes</name>
      <bonus>1</bonus>
      <components>
         <territory>Canál</territory>
         <territory>Pacific Sea Route</territory>
         <territory>Atlantic Sea Route</territory>     
      </components>
</continent>

<!-- Beginning of Territories -->
<territory>
      <name>Orange Walk</name>
      <borders>
         <border>The Cayes</border>
         <border>Belmopan</border>
         <border>Petén</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>The Cayes</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Orange Walk</border>
         <border>Belmopan</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Belmopan</name>
      <borders>
         <border>The Cayes</border>
         <border>Orange Walk</border>
         <border>Petén</border>
         <border>Izabal</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Petén</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Orange Walk</border>
         <border>Belmopan</border>
         <border>Izabal</border>
         <border>Las Verapaces</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Izabal</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Belmopan</border>
         <border>Petén</border>
         <border>Las Verapaces</border>
         <border>Guatemala</border>
         <border>Copán</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Las Verapaces</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Quetzaltenango</border>
         <border>Petén</border>
         <border>Izabal</border>
         <border>Guatemala</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Guatemala</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Quetzaltenango</border>
         <border>Las Verapaces</border>
         <border>Izabal</border>
         <border>Copán</border>
         <border>San Salvador</border>
         <border>Pacific Sea Route</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Quetzaltenango</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Las Verapaces</border>
         <border>Guatemala</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>San Salvador</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Guatemala</border>
         <border>Copán</border>
         <border>Usulután</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Usulután</name>
      <borders>
         <border>San Salvador</border>
         <border>Copán</border>
         <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Copán</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Izabal</border>
         <border>Atlantic Sea Route</border>
         <border>Alténtida</border>
         <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
         <border>Usulután</border>
         <border>San Salvador</border>
         <border>Guatemala</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Alténtida</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Islas de la Bahia</border>
         <border>Colón</border>
         <border>Olancho</border>
         <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
         <border>Copán</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Islas de la Bahia</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Alténtida</border>
         <border>Colón</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Tegucigalpa</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Copán</border>
         <border>Alténtida</border>
         <border>Olancho</border>
         <border>Jinotega</border>
         <border>Chinandega</border>
         <border>Usulután</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Olancho</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Alténtida</border>
         <border>Colón</border>
         <border>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</border>
         <border>Jinotega</border>
         <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Colón</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Alténtida</border>
         <border>Islas de la Bahia</border>
         <border>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</border>
         <border>Olancho</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Colón</border>
         <border>Atlántico Sur</border>
         <border>Jinotega</border>
         <border>Olancho</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Jinotega</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</border>
         <border>RAAS</border>
         <border>Boaca</border>
         <border>Chinandega</border>
         <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
         <border>Olancho</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Chinandega</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Tegucigalpa</border>
         <border>Jinotega</border>
         <border>Boaca</border>
         <border>Managua</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Managua</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Chinandega</border>
         <border>Boaca</border>
         <border>San Jose</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Boaca</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Jinotega</border>
         <border>RAAS</border>
         <border>Rio San Juan</border>
         <border>Managua</border>
         <border>Chinandega</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>RAAS</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Región Autónoma del Atlántico Norte</border>
         <border>Rio San Juan</border>
         <border>Boaca</border>
         <border>Jinotega</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Rio San Juan</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Boaca</border>
         <border>RAAS</border>
         <border>Limón</border>
         <border>San Jose</border>
         <border>Atlantic Sea Route</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
       <!---->
<territory>
      <name>San Jose</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Managua</border>
         <border>Rio San Juan</border>
         <border>Limón</border>
         <border>Puntarenas</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>     <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Puntarenas</name>
      <borders>
         <border>San Jose</border>
         <border>Limón</border>
         <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
         <border>Chiriqui</border>
         <border>Pacific Sea Route</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Limón</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Rio San Juan</border>
         <border>San Jose</border>
         <border>Puntarenas</border>
         <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Chiriqui</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Puntarenas</border>
         <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
         <border>Coclé</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Bocas del Toro</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Limón</border>
         <border>Puntarenas</border>
         <border>Chiriqui</border>
         <border>Coclé</border>
         <border>Canál</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Coclé</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Chiriqui</border>
         <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
         <border>Canál</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Canál</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Bocas del Toro</border>
         <border>Coclé</border>
         <border>Darien Gap</border>
         <border>Pacific Sea Route</border>
         <border>Atlantic Sea Route</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Darien Gap</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Canál</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Pacific Sea Route</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Canál</border>
         <border>Puntarenas</border>
         <border>Guatemala</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
      <!---->
<territory>
      <name>Atlantic Sea Route</name>
      <borders>
         <border>Canál</border>
         <border>Copán</border>
         <border>Rio San Juan</border>
      </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>1</smallx>
         <smally>1</smally>
         <largex>1</largex>
         <largey>1</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>
</map>

[MrBenn]

Obviously the coordinates aren't done, and the image sizes can be adjusted once there are final large/small images. I'll check back occasionally to make sure this gets done.

If oaktown doesn't do it, I'll happily plug in coordinates et al when the time is right

[lgoasklucyl]

Obviously the coordinates aren't done, and the image sizes can be adjusted once there are final large/small images. I'll check back occasionally to make sure this gets done.

If oaktown doesn't do it, I'll happily plug in coordinates et al when the time is right

Oh I'm sure I'll be harassing someone about it, as I know nothing of obtaining said coordinates =P

I have a couple different versions I'm toying with now... something should be up relatively soon!

[oaktown]

Obviously the coordinates aren't done, and the image sizes can be adjusted once there are final large/small images. I'll check back occasionally to make sure this gets done.

If oaktown doesn't do it, I'll happily plug in coordinates et al when the time is right

Oh I'm sure I'll be harassing someone about it, as I know nothing of obtaining said coordinates =P

Coordinates are easy to do, just time-consuming. I can make it happen - unless I get blacklisted and sent packing by the current cartography team first.

[Incandenza]

Coordinates are easy to do, just time-consuming. I can make it happen - unless I get blacklisted and sent packing by the current cartography team first.

Oh, you're on notice pal!

Actually, just out of idle curiosity, how does that whole coordinate process work? (feel free to PM with the answer, don't want to unnecessarily clutter up the thread).

As far as sea pattern, I prefer the grunge...

[lgoasklucyl]

As far as sea pattern, I prefer the grunge...

So I'm assuming with your preference of the grunge you would also like the mainland texture changed also? The grunge (as far as I can tell) simply doesn't go well with the land-texture. I could try grunge land too

[MrBenn]

Version Ten:

The poll refuses to work for me. It keeps inserting a shit ton of random options and is infuriating me. Express your opinions in the thread, please!

Changelog:
-DRASTICALLY changed the ocean. Fill layer with a couple different grunge layers. I like the direction it's moving, though feel it now presents a couple issues:

*It seems a bit too darkish in comparison to the land, though loses its texture when made lighter (different texture, maybe make it darker?)
*The gray of the outside area (Mexico, South America) doesn't fit too well. Honestly, this is probably the same problem that I have with the mainland color.

-Added a WHOLE NEW mini-map land thing, and it looks a TON better (much, much thanks go out to RJ for the tutorial on this one ).

I just made these two bigger changes for now, because I REALLY want people to discuss the oceans. If anyone can think of how to make them work in this direction it would be great. I may dodge out a lighter ouline around the land (like with the previous ocean) but don't want to until we have some opinions on directions to move/can decide on something.

Thanks! Glad to see we're moving along again!!!!

1. Grunge
[bigimg]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2756/camapsmallerv10.jpg[/bigimg]

2. Pattern
[bigimg]http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6228/camapsmallerv102.jpg[/bigimg]

I've fixed (deleted) the poll, bumped the images to the latest page, and remembered to sticky the map as a result of getting the Gameplay stamp. Hopefully we can get this finished sooner rather than later

[lgoasklucyl]

Version 11:
I'm trying out a couple different colors with the ocean and exterior continents, but I don't really like the way anything looks. I figured that while working this version I would post so I could get some input on the creative process. Perhaps someone can see something I'm not that will get this damn thing looking good

For the sake of texture discussions and the previous look, I'll leave 10 up for ease of viewing.

[bigimg]http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7681/camapsmallerv11.jpg[/bigimg]

Version Ten:
1. Grunge
[bigimg]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2756/camapsmallerv10.jpg[/bigimg]

2. Pattern
[bigimg]http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6228/camapsmallerv102.jpg[/bigimg]

[natty dread]

I like the first one best. The two others are too bright...

[lgoasklucyl]

I like the first one best. The two others are too bright...

I agree... though I'm not sure it really goes with the rest of the colors.

[yeti_c]

Prefer Grunge (although I can't see the water territory labels)...

Also - did you see my comments about topological water... is that worth a try?

Even a demo?

C.

[lgoasklucyl]

(Here's another option and update-to-the-last-page bump)

Yeti: Perhaps I can give it a shot. I've got time to toy around

Version 11:
I'm trying out a couple different colors with the ocean and exterior continents, but I don't really like the way anything looks. I figured that while working this version I would post so I could get some input on the creative process. Perhaps someone can see something I'm not that will get this damn thing looking good

For the sake of texture discussions and the previous look, I'll leave 10 up for ease of viewing.

Here's another option:
[bigimg]http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9339/camapsmallerv111grunge.jpg[/bigimg]

[bigimg]http://img694.imageshack.us/img694/7681/camapsmallerv11.jpg[/bigimg]

Version Ten:
1. Grunge
[bigimg]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/2756/camapsmallerv10.jpg[/bigimg]

2. Pattern
[bigimg]http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/6228/camapsmallerv102.jpg[/bigimg]

[Industrial Helix]

I like the first option, but I think the yellow could be muted a tad more.

Also, the sea connector lines look like islands at first glance. I'd suggest you go with something flat for connector lines.

[Falkomagno]

Let's quench this map....!

[Industrial Helix]

Let's quench this map....!

Seconded!

[sinctheassasin]

Let's quench this map....!

Seconded!

WAIT!!!!! one last request, not sure if this has been mentioned....

the bonus legend... the names of the continents are a wee bit hard to read... i think it would look a lot better if a little less glow was applied... at least to the darker Panama and Niearugua.... perhaps a lighter shaded glow?

other than that, i think this is good to go!

[lgoasklucyl]

I like the first option, but I think the yellow could be muted a tad more.

Also, the sea connector lines look like islands at first glance. I'd suggest you go with something flat for connector lines.

The yellow can definitely be toned down a bit. I suppose it is kind of hard on the eyes

Let's quench this map....!

Seconded!

WAIT!!!!! one last request, not sure if this has been mentioned....

the bonus legend... the names of the continents are a wee bit hard to read... i think it would look a lot better if a little less glow was applied... at least to the darker Panama and Niearugua.... perhaps a lighter shaded glow?

other than that, i think this is good to go!

I can definitely look into working with the glow to make things more readable. I've been trying to devise some sort of alternative legend (similar to the one RJ posted, but a little bit less detailed), just to separate it from the map a little more. Haven't stumbled across anything that works all to well yet, however.

[cairnswk]

Let's quench this map....!

Seconded!

Thirded....fourthted...100thted

Is this now still going through some voting process for options as above?