ATTENTION US service men and women

[jsholty4690]

Semper Fi, my brother is a Marine sergeant in Afghanistan right now. All of our servicemen and women are the true heroes of the U.S.

[Evil Semp]

Its not "badmouthing" your country, its legimate criticism. European nations also have flaws and I'll point them out if needs be. Oh, and the joke about all the atrocities you commit, it was a crack at the vast amount of allies and civilians you somehow manage to kill in every war we go to.

Lets not forget the civilians who died on 9/11. Or don't their lives count because the are Americans?

How many of the civilian deaths are caused by car bombs or insurgents firing from homes with the families held hostage inside? How many lives of Iraq have been saved since we went over there?

Yes in war their will always be casualties of civilians and allies. Those instances should be investigated and prosecuted if needed. Just remember propaganda is used by both sides.

As bad as yo might think the USA is, I would be willing to bet that if it wasn't for the USA the out come of WWII might have been different and you might not have the freedom to voice your opinion. Don't thank the USA, but do thank all the service men and women from all over the world that died to give you that freedom.

Is this the site that has a pro-wrestler as an expert on economics?

I think it is.

I went to this site and I couldn't find where it states the the pro-wrestler is an expert. If I missed it could you please tell me where to find it.

Don't expect sympathy in the media when shit like this, this, Blackwater, etc... happens regularly enough to be on the news weekly.

Isn't that one of the great things about our country, our news outlets are allowed to report about any atrocities committed by either side.

lgoasklucyl say all you want, good or bad but please just do one thing, thank the men and women like Tyr who protect your right of freedom of speech.

[Army of GOD]

What if Einstein was a marine?


That'd be epic

[joecoolfrog]

Semper Fi, my brother is a Marine sergeant in Afghanistan right now. All of our servicemen and women are the true heroes of the U.S.

Every single one of them, whatever they do , for whatever reason.....

[Titanic]

Its not "badmouthing" your country, its legimate criticism. European nations also have flaws and I'll point them out if needs be. Oh, and the joke about all the atrocities you commit, it was a crack at the vast amount of allies and civilians you somehow manage to kill in every war we go to.

Lets not forget the civilians who died on 9/11. Or don't their lives count because the are Americans?

How many of the civilian deaths are caused by car bombs or insurgents firing from homes with the families held hostage inside? How many lives of Iraq have been saved since we went over there?

Yes in war their will always be casualties of civilians and allies. Those instances should be investigated and prosecuted if needed. Just remember propaganda is used by both sides.

As bad as yo might think the USA is, I would be willing to bet that if it wasn't for the USA the out come of WWII might have been different and you might not have the freedom to voice your opinion. Don't thank the USA, but do thank all the service men and women from all over the world that died to give you that freedom.

When the fck did I say anything against 9/11? Do you want to put anymore words into my mouth?

I agree that civilian and ally casualties are inevitable, but it seems that the USA makes a hell of alot more of these mistakes then any other nation. Add onto this that when you do kill British troops you refuse to release the videos and surveillance to the coroner and British Army even though you just killed one of their troops. Also even if the USA did not join WWII I would still have freedom because we won the Battle of Britain without your help, you never liberated us.

[angola]

This thread is ridiculous.

All Americans should support all troops, no matter which party they belong to.

I would like the war to end, doesn't mean I don't appreciate what our troops are doing over there.

I would just like to bring them home.

That said, good luck to the Conquer Club members who are fighting. I wish you a safe return to your families.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Wow, an actual person who gives a shit, im shocked and awed.

[Neoteny]

Wow, an actual person who gives a shit, im shocked and awed.

::fap fap fap::

@neotony-
The simple fact is: YOU HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA WHAT IS IS LIKE TO BE IN A FIGHT FOR YOUR LIFE! Yes, shit happens in war. I'm sure some of the stories are true, that American soldiers have killed some civilians, very rarely even on purpose. You attempt to show us proof, and one article you give us simply refutes your point, because there was no way that those Marines purposely killed those civilians in that truck. The other is from some backwards Afghan goat herder with a thirty year old camera, with little proof other than dead bodies and eyewitness reports (which are some of the least reliable forms of testimony around).

You see, the simple fact is: YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT! Running around killing hadjis is not the only way to fight for your life. I've never said anything about killing civilians or any soldiers being anything less than awesome people. I've always been on the "support the troops" bandwagon. I was raised into it. Regardless of whether I've been "in" or not, I've been around the military for my entire life, so I have the ability to empathize more than most, and I also have some very easy demands for those who want some empathy (like, don't reinforce the jarhead stereotype just because it'll make you feel more badass). It is not difficult to tell who the real hardasses are, and those are the guys I respect. DDS and Tyr have not demonstrated themselves to be anything worth noting (not that they need anything from me, they seem to enjoy having their own mighty titty-twisting pity parties). If they don't want it, don't take it, but I wish they would stop making their class look like total pansies.

[DirtyDishSoap]

Once again you prove that you're a retard.
For example, my step mother has been around military all of her life and she still can barely understand anything militatry wise. So lets compare...23 vs 45...Hmm...
I have never claimed any "fame" here nor have I ever said "Im fighting for you, I demand your respect, Arg!" where as you respect the hardasses who've "supposably" seen it all. Whatever, you're an idiot. The only thing ive been argueing here are the f*ck nuts like Jay who spew bullshit, or people that live in America who talk trash about their own country. Its called patriotism, look it up. If you dont like living here, move to fuckin South Africa, good luck there.
You've totally taken both my little "I hate people who talk trash about America/9-11" out of the wrong. As of makeing the military look like pansies? Seriously? Merely signing a contract during a time of war says enough about one persons character, in my point of view at least. I dont know what Tyr has done either, but he sure as shit has done more then you.

[zodiak]

Its not "badmouthing" your country, its legimate criticism. European nations also have flaws and I'll point them out if needs be. Oh, and the joke about all the atrocities you commit, it was a crack at the vast amount of allies and civilians you somehow manage to kill in every war we go to.

Lets not forget the civilians who died on 9/11. Or don't their lives count because the are Americans?

How many of the civilian deaths are caused by car bombs or insurgents firing from homes with the families held hostage inside? How many lives of Iraq have been saved since we went over there?

Yes in war their will always be casualties of civilians and allies. Those instances should be investigated and prosecuted if needed. Just remember propaganda is used by both sides.

As bad as yo might think the USA is, I would be willing to bet that if it wasn't for the USA the out come of WWII might have been different and you might not have the freedom to voice your opinion. Don't thank the USA, but do thank all the service men and women from all over the world that died to give you that freedom.

When the fck did I say anything against 9/11? Do you want to put anymore words into my mouth?

I agree that civilian and ally casualties are inevitable, but it seems that the USA makes a hell of alot more of these mistakes then any other nation. Add onto this that when you do kill British troops you refuse to release the videos and surveillance to the coroner and British Army even though you just killed one of their troops. Also even if the USA did not join WWII I would still have freedom because we won the Battle of Britain without your help, you never liberated us.

First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

And who supported the Brits during the blitz after your allies collapsed during WW2?So you would have survived it without our logistic support?And without any additional support you would have stopped Operation Sealion,remember you had little left after Dunkirk.And i suppose invading Normandy would have been possible without us as well(LMAO)

You'd be speaking German now you idiot if it were not for us,so don't downplay it moron.
What kind of history do they teach in Britain now days,some sort of liberal fantasy version?

Anyway a big SEMPER FI to all my fellow Marines out there,happy hunting

[Neoteny]

Once again you prove that you're a retard.
For example, my step mother has been around military all of her life and she still can barely understand anything militatry wise. So lets compare...23 vs 45...Hmm...
I have never claimed any "fame" here nor have I ever said "Im fighting for you, I demand your respect, Arg!" where as you respect the hardasses who've "supposably" seen it all. Whatever, you're an idiot. The only thing ive been argueing here are the f*ck nuts like Jay who spew bullshit, or people that live in America who talk trash about their own country. Its called patriotism, look it up. If you dont like living here, move to fuckin South Africa, good luck there.
You've totally taken both my little "I hate people who talk trash about America/9-11" out of the wrong. As of makeing the military look like pansies? Seriously? Merely signing a contract during a time of war says enough about one persons character, in my point of view at least. I dont know what Tyr has done either, but he sure as shit has done more then you.
Grow a brain, fag.

hurrrr

I'm not going to go over this with you anymore. Patriotism is not what you've said it is. Regardless, I haven't talked trash about the country or anything. I've talked trash about nobodies getting hard-ons over themselves because they suit up. I'm sorry your mother doesn't understand you. Sorry I touched a nerve with you, but I wouldn't expect you to wrap your mind around it. Have fun shooting people.

[DirtyDishSoap]

im a united states marine and i happen to hate hear everyone bad mouth not only our country but specifically accusing marines and soldiers of atrocities that for one go against everything ive ever learned in the corps

anyone care to vent?

Yeah, he and I obviously get a hard on when we suit up.
Im hopeing you cant continue the argument because you just now realized how fuckin retarded you are.
Duuuuur.

[Neoteny]

Nope, no hard-on here. Just a normal dude. Look guy, we're obviously not going to see eye to eye. I think you're retarded; you think I'm retarded. Let's give it up while we're ahead. I'm going to support my country how I see fit, you do the same.

[DirtyDishSoap]

For the pictures, big deal if i post pictures of me with the SAW or a simple tab that says "Balls of Steel", it means im havin some fun in Iraq, pretty sure everyone that has deployed has a picture or two goofin off. Its all over youtube too, im no exception.

As for the latter, i'll agree.

[Titanic]

First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

And who supported the Brits during the blitz after your allies collapsed during WW2?So you would have survived it without our logistic support?And without any additional support you would have stopped Operation Sealion,remember you had little left after Dunkirk.And i suppose invading Normandy would have been possible without us as well(LMAO)

You'd be speaking German now you idiot if it were not for us,so don't downplay it moron.
What kind of history do they teach in Britain now days,some sort of liberal fantasy version?

Sierra Leone was probably the last time and that was a resounding success. Also, hardly anyone fights by themselves anymore as its more about international coalition and alliances. In Afghanistan and Iraq there was/is considerable British involvement and how many times have you heard of US troops being killed by British forces, or indiscriminate killing of civilians by British forces? Also, you haven't answered my other point - how is it right that the USA holds back video evidence from their planes and other surveillance after they kill British troops even though the MoD and coroners ask for that evidence to determine what exactly happened when the solider was killed?

The USA was not involved in the war during the Battle of Britain. Our supplies came from Nova Scotia and Halifax, and the only international help came come participating countries such as Canada, India and fleeing Polish and French forces. Normandy has nothing to do with my point. It was said that we would not have survived WWII which is not true (the victory in the Battle of Britain prevented Operation Sealion and any other German invasion plans), whilst D-Day and so on liberated continental Europe (a point which I made earlier if you read my post properly). Also, by your assertion that we'd be speaking German by now is complete rubbish, we would actually be speaking Russian as it was the USSR which did more then anyone else to defeat Nazi Germany, not the UK or USA.

Finally, a liberal fantasy version of history? I think I can speak confidently in saying that WWII history taught in Britain is much more unbiased and realistic then the patriotic crap taught in US schools.

[Snorri1234]

First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

The fact that you say "mistakes" probably means you don't give a f*ck if innocent Iraqis die.

[72o]

First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

The fact that you say "mistakes" probably means you don't give a f*ck if innocent Iraqis die.

One of the marines stated earlier in this thread that they are taught very specific protocols on how and when to use force. If you have to make a split second decision about firing on a speeding car approaching a checkpoint, or an individual carrying a suspected IED, and you follow the protocol and kill a civilian or group of civilians, it's not a mistake. You are performing the actions that your training prepared you for. The training is designed to minimize the threat to the soldiers and civilians. Note that minimize does not mean eliminate.

Me personally, if I was to make that decision, and it's a potential "him or me" situation, it's going to be him. I would have absolutely no qualms about splattering someone all over the sidewalk if I thought he was endangering me or any of my fellow soldiers. If it turns out that that person was innocent, oh well. He should know better than to speed towards my checkpoint, or throw down his backpack near me.

Lucky for all you liberals, I'm not out there. But I'm damn glad that there are Americans out there on my behalf, so I can sit here on my ass and bullshit on the internet. I'm also glad they are protecting (sometimes at the expense of their own lives) your right to bitch and moan about how they don't do it how you would like. I may prefer that you use your right to free speech to speak upon their service more positively, but, you can't always get your way.

[Burrito]

First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

And who supported the Brits during the blitz after your allies collapsed during WW2?So you would have survived it without our logistic support?And without any additional support you would have stopped Operation Sealion,remember you had little left after Dunkirk.And i suppose invading Normandy would have been possible without us as well(LMAO)

You'd be speaking German now you idiot if it were not for us,so don't downplay it moron.
What kind of history do they teach in Britain now days,some sort of liberal fantasy version?

Sierra Leone was probably the last time and that was a resounding success. Also, hardly anyone fights by themselves anymore as its more about international coalition and alliances. In Afghanistan and Iraq there was/is considerable British involvement and how many times have you heard of US troops being killed by British forces, or indiscriminate killing of civilians by British forces? Also, you haven't answered my other point - how is it right that the USA holds back video evidence from their planes and other surveillance after they kill British troops even though the MoD and coroners ask for that evidence to determine what exactly happened when the solider was killed?

The USA was not involved in the war during the Battle of Britain. Our supplies came from Nova Scotia and Halifax, and the only international help came come participating countries such as Canada, India and fleeing Polish and French forces. Normandy has nothing to do with my point. It was said that we would not have survived WWII which is not true (the victory in the Battle of Britain prevented Operation Sealion and any other German invasion plans), whilst D-Day and so on liberated continental Europe (a point which I made earlier if you read my post properly). Also, by your assertion that we'd be speaking German by now is complete rubbish, we would actually be speaking Russian as it was the USSR which did more then anyone else to defeat Nazi Germany, not the UK or USA.

Finally, a liberal fantasy version of history? I think I can speak confidently in saying that WWII history taught in Britain is much more unbiased and realistic then the patriotic crap taught in US schools.

*snorts derisively* you are right, you won the Battle of Britain mostly by yourself, with little help from the U.S. However, how long do you think your little island could stand up against the combined resources of mainland Europe and Northern Africa? Even if we didn't send actual troops, you would still need the supplies that we supplied to you simply to survive. Without our help, there was no way you could continue to withstand German offensives into your country. They would eventually surround you, and starve you out.

There is no reason that you would be speaking Russian, because that would require Russian conquest of Britain. The Russians were your allies during the second part of the war, and I doubt they could have conquered Germany without help, much less Germany then Britain.

[PLAYER57832]

I don't believe any of us who have not served can really understand what a soldier goes through. There are standards to which the military must adhere, but they are standards set by the military, by people who have served in combat. Those few who do go outside the boundaries harm everyone, most especially those with whom they serve.

All Americans should support all troops, no matter which party they belong to.

I would like the war to end, doesn't mean I don't appreciate what our troops are doing over there.

I would just like to bring them home.

That said, good luck to the Conquer Club members who are fighting. I wish you a safe return to your families.

[2dimes]

I think you're retarded; you think I'm retarded.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4c1L2Y8D8Zs

[joecoolfrog]

First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

The fact that you say "mistakes" probably means you don't give a f*ck if innocent Iraqis die.

One of the marines stated earlier in this thread that they are taught very specific protocols on how and when to use force. If you have to make a split second decision about firing on a speeding car approaching a checkpoint, or an individual carrying a suspected IED, and you follow the protocol and kill a civilian or group of civilians, it's not a mistake. You are performing the actions that your training prepared you for. The training is designed to minimize the threat to the soldiers and civilians. Note that minimize does not mean eliminate.

Me personally, if I was to make that decision, and it's a potential "him or me" situation, it's going to be him. I would have absolutely no qualms about splattering someone all over the sidewalk if I thought he was endangering me or any of my fellow soldiers. If it turns out that that person was innocent, oh well. He should know better than to speed towards my checkpoint, or throw down his backpack near me.

Lucky for all you liberals, I'm not out there. But I'm damn glad that there are Americans out there on my behalf, so I can sit here on my ass and bullshit on the internet. I'm also glad they are protecting (sometimes at the expense of their own lives) your right to bitch and moan about how they don't do it how you would like. I may prefer that you use your right to free speech to speak upon their service more positively, but, you can't always get your way.

You are avoiding the fact that the US military have shot up and killed clearly identified Allied troops and the soldiers/airmen responsible have then been shielded from the consequences of their action. The fact is that US forces ( like ever other military force ) have their fair share of incompetents and those who are physchologically ill equiped for war. It's completely absurd to suggest, as a number of people here have, that every single marine is a well drilled , couragious, fighting machine .

[Evil Semp]

Its not "badmouthing" your country, its legimate criticism. European nations also have flaws and I'll point them out if needs be. Oh, and the joke about all the atrocities you commit, it was a crack at the vast amount of allies and civilians you somehow manage to kill in every war we go to.

Lets not forget the civilians who died on 9/11. Or don't their lives count because the are Americans?

How many of the civilian deaths are caused by car bombs or insurgents firing from homes with the families held hostage inside? How many lives of Iraq have been saved since we went over there?

Yes in war their will always be casualties of civilians and allies. Those instances should be investigated and prosecuted if needed. Just remember propaganda is used by both sides.

As bad as yo might think the USA is, I would be willing to bet that if it wasn't for the USA the out come of WWII might have been different and you might not have the freedom to voice your opinion. Don't thank the USA, but do thank all the service men and women from all over the world that died to give you that freedom.

When the fck did I say anything against 9/11? Do you want to put anymore words into my mouth?

I agree that civilian and ally casualties are inevitable, but it seems that the USA makes a hell of alot more of these mistakes then any other nation. Add onto this that when you do kill British troops you refuse to release the videos and surveillance to the coroner and British Army even though you just killed one of their troops. Also even if the USA did not join WWII I would still have freedom because we won the Battle of Britain without your help, you never liberated us.

I never put word in your mouth. I just brought up the fact that American civilians have died, a fact that usually gets left out. Liberated you no, but how long would Britain have been able to hold out on her own?

[DirtyDishSoap]

First of all the U.S is doing the brunt of the fighting so naturally more "mistakes" would be made by our forces,when's the last time the Brits spearheaded any major operation?

The fact that you say "mistakes" probably means you don't give a f*ck if innocent Iraqis die.

One of the marines stated earlier in this thread that they are taught very specific protocols on how and when to use force. If you have to make a split second decision about firing on a speeding car approaching a checkpoint, or an individual carrying a suspected IED, and you follow the protocol and kill a civilian or group of civilians, it's not a mistake. You are performing the actions that your training prepared you for. The training is designed to minimize the threat to the soldiers and civilians. Note that minimize does not mean eliminate.

Me personally, if I was to make that decision, and it's a potential "him or me" situation, it's going to be him. I would have absolutely no qualms about splattering someone all over the sidewalk if I thought he was endangering me or any of my fellow soldiers. If it turns out that that person was innocent, oh well. He should know better than to speed towards my checkpoint, or throw down his backpack near me.

Lucky for all you liberals, I'm not out there. But I'm damn glad that there are Americans out there on my behalf, so I can sit here on my ass and bullshit on the internet. I'm also glad they are protecting (sometimes at the expense of their own lives) your right to bitch and moan about how they don't do it how you would like. I may prefer that you use your right to free speech to speak upon their service more positively, but, you can't always get your way.

You are avoiding the fact that the US military have shot up and killed clearly identified Allied troops and the soldiers/airmen responsible have then been shielded from the consequences of their action. The fact is that US forces ( like ever other military force ) have their fair share of incompetents and those who are physchologically ill equiped for war. It's completely absurd to suggest, as a number of people here have, that every single marine is a well drilled , couragious, fighting machine .

True

[Titanic]

*snorts derisively* you are right, you won the Battle of Britain mostly by yourself, with little help from the U.S. However, how long do you think your little island could stand up against the combined resources of mainland Europe and Northern Africa? Even if we didn't send actual troops, you would still need the supplies that we supplied to you simply to survive. Without our help, there was no way you could continue to withstand German offensives into your country. They would eventually surround you, and starve you out.

There is no reason that you would be speaking Russian, because that would require Russian conquest of Britain. The Russians were your allies during the second part of the war, and I doubt they could have conquered Germany without help, much less Germany then Britain.

I never put word in your mouth. I just brought up the fact that American civilians have died, a fact that usually gets left out. Liberated you no, but how long would Britain have been able to hold out on her own?

The Battle of Britain was won without US help. None of the supplies we received came from US ports, they came from Halifax and Nova Scotia as Canada was a true ally and actually did a huge amount for the war effort for a great sacrifice. The main reason that the Luftwaffe lost was because of their strategy change in mid to late September, and after that the RAF beat back the assaults and won the battle. After that all German plans for invasion were scrapped as no invasion could take place without air superiority. From then on the only way Germany could hurt British homeland was through its U-Boats in the Atlantic (which did huge amounts of damage), but after the implementation of conveys and the cracking of Enigma Britain had enough strength and intelligence to get supplies through from Canada and the Empire to continue to operate. I know we would never have spoken Russia, but was just rebutting your arguament saying we would be speaking German by mentioning that Russia actually was the main reason the 3rd Reich failed and if we did speak German at a time, by the end we would be speaking Russian.

Beleive me, 9/11 is still gives a raw feeling to me, but I don't really think there are that many people who have forgotten about it, its just that different people think that there are different ways to deal with it.

[Burrito]

*snorts derisively* you are right, you won the Battle of Britain mostly by yourself, with little help from the U.S. However, how long do you think your little island could stand up against the combined resources of mainland Europe and Northern Africa? Even if we didn't send actual troops, you would still need the supplies that we supplied to you simply to survive. Without our help, there was no way you could continue to withstand German offensives into your country. They would eventually surround you, and starve you out.

There is no reason that you would be speaking Russian, because that would require Russian conquest of Britain. The Russians were your allies during the second part of the war, and I doubt they could have conquered Germany without help, much less Germany then Britain.

I never put word in your mouth. I just brought up the fact that American civilians have died, a fact that usually gets left out. Liberated you no, but how long would Britain have been able to hold out on her own?

The Battle of Britain was won without US help. None of the supplies we received came from US ports, they came from Halifax and Nova Scotia as Canada was a true ally and actually did a huge amount for the war effort for a great sacrifice. The main reason that the Luftwaffe lost was because of their strategy change in mid to late September, and after that the RAF beat back the assaults and won the battle. After that all German plans for invasion were scrapped as no invasion could take place without air superiority. From then on the only way Germany could hurt British homeland was through its U-Boats in the Atlantic (which did huge amounts of damage), but after the implementation of conveys and the cracking of Enigma Britain had enough strength and intelligence to get supplies through from Canada and the Empire to continue to operate. I know we would never have spoken Russia, but was just rebutting your arguament saying we would be speaking German by mentioning that Russia actually was the main reason the 3rd Reich failed and if we did speak German at a time, by the end we would be speaking Russian.

Beleive me, 9/11 is still gives a raw feeling to me, but I don't really think there are that many people who have forgotten about it, its just that different people think that there are different ways to deal with it.

Well aside form the fact that I said you did win the BOB without us, If Germany did conquer you then they would have more than likely been forced into a peace with Russia, because they couldn't mount a proper invasion, and Russia couldn't conquered the whole of Europe under german control. My point was that you couldn't have held out indefinitely against German blockades, etc., and they would eventually gain air superiority. Even if you were able to hold out, there would be no way in hell that you would be able to launch a successful counterattack without U.S. help.