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For those of you who say Obama is not a far left radical, how can it be justified to have a communist as a high adviser (read: czar) directly to the president? I'm pretty sure even Clinton would not have let a communist be an adviser.

Van Jones, the Green Jobs Czar, is one crazy person:

And that's only a representative sample of his many far left and communist associations.

[spoiler=assholes comment]Van Jones, the Obama administration's "green jobs" adviser, apologized Wednesday for calling Republicans "assholes," saying the comments were made before he joined the administration and "were clearly inappropriate."

Jones had told a group of listeners earlier in the year that the reason Republicans are stonewalling the president is because they're "assholes," remarks that were recorded in a video and posted to YouTube.

"I apologize for the offensive words I chose to use during that speech," Jones said in a written statement to Politico. "They do not reflect the views of this administration, which has made every effort to work in a bipartisan fashion, and they do not reflect the experience I have had since I joined the administration."

He made the remarks in February during an energy lecture in Berkeley, Calif., after a woman in the audience asked him why President Obama and congressional Democrats were having trouble moving legislation -- even though Republicans, with a smaller majority, didn't have as much trouble earlier in the Bush administration.

"Well, the answer to that is, they're assholes," Jones said, to uproarious laughter. "That's a technical, political science term."

The questioner responded, "I was afraid that that was the answer."

But Jones said that, even though Obama is "not an asshole," others have to step up the fight.

"Now, I will say this. I can be an asshole, and some of us who are not Barack Hussein Obama are going to have to start getting a little bit uppity," he said.[/spoiler]
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/02/white-house-green-jobs-adviser-republicans-assholes/?loomia_ow=t0:s0:a16:g2:r1:c0.159822:b27525002:z0

[spoiler=911Truther]President Obama's "green jobs" adviser could become a mounting liability for the Obama administration, as the latest revelation about Van Jones shows his belief that the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks may have been an inside job.

Jones joined the "9/11 truther" movement by signing a statement in 2004 calling for then-New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer and others to launch an investigation into evidence that suggests "people within the current administration may indeed have deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war."

The statement asked a series of critical questions hinting at Bush administration involvement in the attacks and called for "deeper inquiry." It was also signed by former Rep. Cynthia McKinney and Code Pink co-founder Jodie Evans.

The discovery comes after Jones had to apologize Wednesday night for "offensive words" he uttered in February when he called Republicans "assholes." He said the remarks "do not reflect the views of this administration" and its bipartisan aims.

But such statements just scratch the surface of Jones' past commentary.

He also has consistently leaned on racially charged language, pointing the finger at "white polluters and the white environmentalists" for "steering poison" to minority communities, as he makes the case for lifting up low-income and minority communities with better environmental policy.

A declared "communist" during the 1990s, Jones once associated with a group that looked to Mao Zedong as an inspiration.

Jones' exceptional past is reminiscent of associations noted during the presidential campaign, when then-Sen. Barack Obama doggedly fended off claims that he was tied to radicals and overzealous activists.

But with now-President Obama entering the perhaps trickiest phase of his young presidency -- building the kind of consensus around health care reform that President Clinton could not -- a divisive figure could prove disfiguring.

"In this environment, I think the Obama administration should be very careful of its dealings with anybody who can be labeled communist accurately," said Christopher C. Hull, an adjunct government professor at Georgetown University who runs the public affairs firm Issue Management.

"That's just going to play to the political sensibility that those on the right have that the Obama administration is socialist, literally socialist. ... It is unwise to bring in people who actually do label themselves socialist or communist."

Jones has mellowed considerably since the '90s. In some respects, he is about as mainstream as environmentalists come -- with recognition streaming in from high places over the past few years.

He's won plaudits from former Vice President Al Gore, who declared, "I love Van Jones," in an interview with The New Yorker.

Actor Leonardo DiCaprio penned the write-up on Jones when the presidential adviser was featured in Time magazine's 100 "Most Influential People."

"Steadily -- by redefining green -- Jones is making sure that our planet and our people will not just survive but also thrive in a clean-energy economy," DiCaprio wrote.

Jones was also named one of the magazine's "Heroes of the Environment 2008." He's earned a slew of other recognitions from other publications and institutions. He was even named one of Salon.com's "Sexiest Men Living" in late 2008.

Plus he's the author of the 2008 New York Times best-seller, "The Green Collar Economy."

Now a member of the White House Council on Environmental Quality, his book's central premise is that environmentalism and green jobs can lift up the economy and lift up low-income Americans.

He is the founder of Green for All, which focuses on creating green jobs in poor areas. He helped the city of Oakland pass a "green jobs corps" program in 2007. Green jobs is also one platform of the Ella Baker Center for Human Rights, which he co-founded in 1996.

He also co-founded Color of Change, an advocacy group that focuses on black issues, after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Jones' history has drifted between mainstream activism surrounding issues of race, poverty and the environment, and activity he has described as "revolutionary."

Originally from Tennessee, Jones graduated from Yale Law School in 1993. But his life took a turn after he was swept up in arrests during a rally following the Rodney King verdict.

Jones has claimed he was monitoring police activity at the time, but that he met people in jail who changed his thinking.

"I met all these young radical people of color -- I mean really radical, communists and anarchists. And it was like, 'This is what I need to be a part of,'" he said in a 2005 interview with the East Bay Express. Jones told the newspaper he stayed in San Francisco, and for the next 10 years worked with a lot of the people he met in jail. Months after the King verdict came down, Jones said, "I was a communist."

At the time he became involved with a group called Standing Together to Organize a Revolutionary Movement (STORM), which described itself as committed to Marxist and Leninist ideas. He also started putting pressure on police in San Francisco, monitoring and drawing attention to allegations of police brutality. He was quoted accusing the police department of "killing black people."

He became a vocal critic of the federal government during the Bush administration. He and groups he was associated with assailed "U.S. imperialism" after the Sept. 11 attacks and called the assumption that an Arab group was responsible a "rush to judgment." He later co-signed the petition calling for an investigation into government involvement in the attacks.

For conservative critics, he has -- as Hull warned -- served as a ready target.

"You can't nominate all of these czars ... and then say, well, you know, I'm not responsible for all these people," said conservative commentator Ann Coulter. "People will start to blame Obama."

The White House has voiced great confidence in Jones, announcing in March that the "green jobs visionary" would in his new role advance the goal of improving energy efficiency and tapping renewable resources.[/spoiler]
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/09/03/green-jobs-advisers-past-stir-trouble-white-house-critical-time/

All during the campaign, Obama supporters said that associations with Reverend Wright, Bill Ayers, and other radicals were not a fair comparison to Obama's beliefs. Once he gets in the White House, he appoints (without Congressional approval) a self-proclaimed communist. Are those comparisons still unjustified?

American people and freedom rejected communism many times over, so it is completely outrageous to allow our president to be advised by one. He must be removed from his role as czar, and Obama needs to denounce this association. Anyone who despises America and the freedom she stands for has no place in our government.
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Good point. We should definitely discriminate against people who think differently than us. Idealism must be quashed under the gray skies of conformity.
That = USA.

Even if Van Jones is a follower of a nefarious and indescribably evil school of economic thought (I wouldn't call him a Communist, I think he refers to himself as communist. Small c makes a difference) he wants what he thinks is best for the USA, actually. Having read his book (one of the better reads, he is a very clear writer) he actually comes across as a great patriot. Who's saying that the polluters fouling our skies and waters want what's best for us?
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spurgistan wrote:Good point. We should definitely discriminate against people who think differently than us. Idealism must be quashed under the gray skies of conformity.
That = USA.

Even if Van Jones is a follower of a nefarious and indescribably evil school of economic thought (I wouldn't call him a Communist, I think he refers to himself as communist. Small c makes a difference) he wants what he thinks is best for the USA, actually. Having read his book (one of the better reads, he is a very clear writer) he actually comes across as a great patriot. Who's saying that the polluters fouling our skies and waters want what's best for us?


I think if this person was, in fact, a member of an organization which wanted a revolution in the United States, this person is, at best, not someone who wants what's best for the United States as it is currently constituted. A revolution necessitates that the currently elected democratic government be overthrown in favor of some other type of government. So, while it may be comical and fun to bash the bashers of Van Jones, or while it may seem to be enlightening to have no problem with him, if Van Jones has some convictions along with his belief, he is certainly not someone who should be involved in the U.S. government.
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Reverse-racists, democratic-tyrants, liberal-fascists, and Nazi-communists.

Now communist-czars?

What else is coming up?
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Night Strike wrote:Anyone who despises America and the freedom she stands for has no place in our government.


I don't see either of these "facts" in any of your documents. Did I miss them?
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Bones2484 wrote:
Night Strike wrote:Anyone who despises America and the freedom she stands for has no place in our government.


I don't see either of these "facts" in any of your documents. Did I miss them?


Yeah- it's kind of masterpiece of selective quoting. The first article cited is about how he fell in with radicals and came to reject their philosophy.

Technically he's right that Van Jones declared he was a communist- the quote from the first article is:

"I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist." at some before 1994. The rest of the article is about how he became disillusioned and sought to change things in the long term.

The second article posted has no real relevance if you read the first.

The third piece cites him as a signee of a statement for 911truth.org's demand for 'an investigation into what the Bush Administration may have done that “deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.”' That quote is from the post linked, but has no references. There's no evidence in the post to link him to beliefs that the gov't conspired to cause 9/11, inspite of the OP's claims.
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Night Strike wrote:American people and freedom rejected communism many times over


I heard that communism and freedom were still 'just friends'
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Hey, gang! Saxi here.

I have a slightly different take on this.

As some of you know, I emigrated to the US from the former German Democratic Republic. When I lived in the DDR I was a member of the Youth Pioneers as a child and, eventually, of the German Socialist Unity Party, the party led by the late humanitarian Erich Honecker. I did my military service in the Felix Dzerinzhinsky Watch Regiment, which was a popular humanitarian relief group. So, there are my qualifications. Yes, I am a communist.

Annnnywho. the current American headman, Obama, is what we would refer to as a succubus of the proletariat. While I have no doubt he, at one time, harbored hope for a popular revolution of national liberation to free the working class from the suffocating grip of the imperialist insect, I believe he is now only using the power base the people's struggles have afforded him to enrich himself and his compatriots and has long ago cast aside his philosophical allegiance to internationalism and the triumph of the farmers and workers. I say this as an avowed Marxist-Leninist.

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spurgistan wrote:he actually comes across as a great patriot.


Yeah, as much of a patriot as Karl or Friedrich
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Wow, more foxnews....

Night Strike, this is why you have no credibility and look like a tool.
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To be fair, the "Republicans are assholes" sentiment is not limited to communists.
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Symmetry wrote:Reverse-racists, democratic-tyrants, liberal-fascists, and Nazi-communists.

Now communist-czars?

What else is coming up?


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Anarkistsdream wrote:Wow, more foxnews....

Night Strike, this is why you have no credibility and look like a tool.


If you can disprove them with facts, then I'll find other sources. It's not my fault they're the ones doing the actual journalistic work rather than repeating the administration's talking points. The facts are irrefutable, so the messenger has be demonized and marginalized. That's what happens when one gets on the losing side of an argument.
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jonesthecurl wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Reverse-racists, democratic-tyrants, liberal-fascists, and Nazi-communists.

Now communist-czars?

What else is coming up?


troll-mods?


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Also these CZAR`s are not confirmed by the senate . Its an expansion of government that is unjust. They took a crisis and turned it into fear. Which gives your savior irrational power to expunge a fear that doesn`t exist. Thus the massive drop in his approval ratings. Especially amongst african americans. Will you liberal zealots care to explain this ? Or are these polls highly inaccurate and false now that they are not in your favor :lol: :lol: .
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danfrank wrote:Also these CZAR`s are not confirmed by the senate . Its an expansion of government that is unjust. They took a crisis and turned it into fear. Which gives your savior irrational power to expunge a fear that doesn`t exist. Thus the massive drop in his approval ratings. Especially amongst african americans. Will you liberal zealots care to explain this ? Or are these polls highly inaccurate and false now that they are not in your favor :lol: :lol: .


Wow- pretty lazy by anyone's standards. Why should the senate confirm the president's advisers?

Also, can we add liberal-zealot to the above list.
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Symmetry wrote:Wow- pretty lazy by anyone's standards. Why should the senate confirm the president's advisers?


Because you get some who are actually wielding powers they don't Constitutionally or Statutorily hold. Take the car czar position, who fired the GM CEO (that's the board member's job), overruled all bankruptcy laws concerning the disbursement of funds to secured/unsecured holders, and forced a sell to a foreign owner. Or take the pay czar, who can arbitrarily determine what a private market official can receive in pay. That's nowhere within our laws. These czars are unaccountable to the people, yet they can use the Office of the President to break the laws, or outright re-write them.
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Night Strike wrote:
Symmetry wrote:Wow- pretty lazy by anyone's standards. Why should the senate confirm the president's advisers?


Because you get some who are actually wielding powers they don't Constitutionally or Statutorily hold. Take the car czar position, who fired the GM CEO (that's the board member's job), overruled all bankruptcy laws concerning the disbursement of funds to secured/unsecured holders, and forced a sell to a foreign owner. Or take the pay czar, who can arbitrarily determine what a private market official can receive in pay. That's nowhere within our laws. These czars are unaccountable to the people, yet they can use the Office of the President to break the laws, or outright re-write them.


How is this any different from lobbyists who pay of senators or presidents and force them to do their bidding? At least with czars there is transparency is who exactly is making the decisions and is involved in the process.
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I can jump in and answer this question, gang. While working on my AB in comparative political theory at der Universität unter den Linden, I did a thesis juxtaposing differences in the Basic Law of the DDR and the constitution of the USA. The American's Senate fills a role that would, in the DDR, be a combination of the functions of the Volkshammer and the Council of State; it is an odd and unusual function that is atypical of parliamentary states but, nonetheless, constitutionally prescribed.

Article II, S. 2 of the American's constitution says:

[The President] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.
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saxitoxin wrote:I can jump in and answer this question, gang. While working on my AB in comparative political theory at der Universität unter den Linden, I did a thesis juxtaposing differences in the Basic Law of the DDR and the constitution of the USA. The American's Senate fills a role that would, in the DDR, be a combination of the functions of the Volkshammer and the Council of State; it is an odd and unusual function that is atypical of parliamentary states but, nonetheless, constitutionally prescribed.

Article II, S. 2 of the American's constitution says:

[The President] shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls, Judges of the supreme Court, and all other Officers of the United States, whose Appointments are not herein otherwise provided for, and which shall be established by Law: but the Congress may by Law vest the Appointment of such inferior Officers, as they think proper, in the President alone, in the Courts of Law, or in the Heads of Departments.


Now I'm veering off-topic, but an interesting piece of trivia relating to Senate approval of Presidential appointments is the practical relic of a piece from the first - now defunct - American constitution which was repealed in 1789 in the appointment of military officers. Article 7 of that document provided:

When land forces are raised by any State for the common defense, all officers of or under the rank of colonel, shall be appointed by the legislature of each State respectively, by whom such forces shall be raised, or in such manner as such State shall direct, and all vacancies shall be filled up by the State which first made the appointment.

Under the first constitution the American's had no centralized military forces. Under the present constitution, the Senate has extended to itself - by statutory act - right of confirmation of promotions to the rank of Colonel and above which is an evolution of the constitutional provision of the American's first constitution. I believe the United States, the Phillipines, Liberia, Switzerland and San Marino are the only nation's in the world that require parliamentary approval of military commissions.

Fascinating!
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thegreekdog wrote:I think if this person was, in fact, a member of an organization which wanted a revolution in the United States, this person is, at best, not someone who wants what's best for the United States as it is currently constituted. A revolution necessitates that the currently elected democratic government be overthrown in favor of some other type of government. So, while it may be comical and fun to bash the bashers of Van Jones, or while it may seem to be enlightening to have no problem with him, if Van Jones has some convictions along with his belief, he is certainly not someone who should be involved in the U.S. government.


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thegreekdog wrote:
thegreekdog wrote:I think if this person was, in fact, a member of an organization which wanted a revolution in the United States, this person is, at best, not someone who wants what's best for the United States as it is currently constituted. A revolution necessitates that the currently elected democratic government be overthrown in favor of some other type of government. So, while it may be comical and fun to bash the bashers of Van Jones, or while it may seem to be enlightening to have no problem with him, if Van Jones has some convictions along with his belief, he is certainly not someone who should be involved in the U.S. government.


Here... you all may have ignored this. Don't want that to happen...


No, no one missed it. We chose to ignore it because it doesn't say that anywhere. Read this post again:

Symmetry wrote:Yeah- it's kind of masterpiece of selective quoting. The first article cited is about how he fell in with radicals and came to reject their philosophy.

Technically he's right that Van Jones declared he was a communist- the quote from the first article is:

"I was a rowdy nationalist on April 28th, and then the verdicts came down on April 29th," he said. "By August, I was a communist." at some before 1994. The rest of the article is about how he became disillusioned and sought to change things in the long term.

The second article posted has no real relevance if you read the first.

The third piece cites him as a signee of a statement for 911truth.org's demand for 'an investigation into what the Bush Administration may have done that “deliberately allowed 9/11 to happen, perhaps as a pretext for war.”' That quote is from the post linked, but has no references. There's no evidence in the post to link him to beliefs that the gov't conspired to cause 9/11, inspite of the OP's claims.
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