hulmey wrote:very disappointed lack...Instead of banishing history we should embrace it and LEARN from it!!!
I totally agree with you on this one!
AAFitz wrote:if rommel was so brilliant, hed have assasinated the psycho and saved his country...instead he blindly followed and led it into utter and complete defeat
he betrayed his country and countrymen....they all knew they couldnt win they were just too afraid to stop it
Rommel was a brilliant general. He was admired by Montgomery himself and there was mutual respect. Rommel did not agree with many of Hitler's decisions and Hitler did not like Rommel because he knew Rommel was a great strategist. In fact Rommel disobeyed some of Hitler's orders. If I remember well Rommel was ultimately forced to commit suicide by Hitler. He could have done nothing against Hitler at that time.
People should read history before posting comments against other people.
Thank you political correctness! For making everyone so easily offended. Do you realize I could be "offended" ever day here at CC? I have seen sigs with cartoons mocking Jesus. Anti Christian posts. Offensive avatars. But I have not complained. I just look the other way. If you are offended, you might call the ACLU and they might help you in a lawsuit.
THE DEBATE IS OVER...
PLAYER57832 wrote:Too many of those who claim they don't believe global warming are really "end-timer" Christians.
hulmey wrote:very disappointed lack...Instead of banishing history we should embrace it and LEARN from it!!!
I totally agree with you on this one!
AAFitz wrote:if rommel was so brilliant, hed have assasinated the psycho and saved his country...instead he blindly followed and led it into utter and complete defeat
he betrayed his country and countrymen....they all knew they couldnt win they were just too afraid to stop it
Rommel was a brilliant general. He was admired by Montgomery himself and there was mutual respect. Rommel did not agree with many of Hitler's decisions and Hitler did not like Rommel because he knew Rommel was a great strategist. In fact Rommel disobeyed some of Hitler's orders. If I remember well Rommel was ultimately forced to commit suicide by Hitler. He could have done nothing against Hitler at that time.
People should read history before posting comments against other people.
Rommel was implicated in the failed plot to blow hitler to pieces. Hitler gave Rommel no choice but to take his own life, saying he succumbed to injuries he received after being strafed by allied aircraft. This was done for propaganda reasons...He was a hero to the German people...
but how brilliant did he have to be to fight for the guy and then kill himself...come on
his strategy seems to have failed him somewhere....
It's more complicated than that Fitz...there were many brilliant minds in Germany at that time. The Americans and Russian even took some of those brilliant minds who aided the Nazis back home and gave them citizenship. That's how they got atomic bombs and went into space...
jay_a2j wrote:Thank you political correctness! For making everyone so easily offended. Do you realize I could be "offended" ever day here at CC? I have seen sigs with cartoons mocking Jesus. Anti Christian posts. Offensive avatars. But I have not complained. I just look the other way. If you are offended, you might call the ACLU and they might help you in a lawsuit.
I am a Christian and I am offended by some of the avatars mocking Jesus in fact. Why not ban those as well like the swastika?
That's the problem...it's either you accept everything or you don't. There can't be double standards...
i didnt know about him being implicated...if he had his hand in that, then clearly thats what im saying he should have done all along......but my first post really was to get you going...
however, he had to have known that there was no way they could win...not ultimately, and bigger coups have been accomplished than than snuffing him out...
he sent his men on many successful missions, but in the end he got them killed for nothing...there is no other way for me to see it
and im not saying the men who followed the insane orders had many choices, had they not done it they would have been killed...
but someone truly brilliant would have found a way to save his men and his country from absolute and complete destruction
much like the morons that took down the towers...they struck a pretty hard blow...but in the end their entire regime was sent underground and saw their country that they wanted under their control...set free, at least as much as is possible at this time...how many of their friends and family did they get killed???. Im not comparing rommel to terrorists, just that
winning many battles does not make you brilliant...its winning the war that counts
we decimated the iraqi troops and Husein is dead...we did it quick...but i doubt anyone will be calling the war brilliant...personally im glad the guy is dead, but any brilliance will be shown by fixing the problems...and freeing the country not just fighting more battles....again killing is easy...solving the problems is not
A country crippled by sanctions for 10 years and barley a army lol. And also if you mean we as in america your worng, think there where 50 countries invovlved in a war against one crippled nation!
Oh did they find weapons of mass destruction by the way?
Anyway on a last note lets make a petition to get the swatizka back or otherwise lack should make some rules up about avatatrs.
Because im also religious (Catholic) and seen plenty of unwelcome avatars
AAFitz wrote:i didnt know about him being implicated...if he had his hand in that, then clearly thats what im saying he should have done all along......but my first post really was to get you going...
however, he had to have known that there was no way they could win...not ultimately, and bigger coups have been accomplished than than snuffing him out...
he sent his men on many successful missions, but in the end he got them killed for nothing...there is no other way for me to see it
and im not saying the men who followed the insane orders had many choices, had they not done it they would have been killed...
but someone truly brilliant would have found a way to save his men and his country from absolute and complete destruction
much like the morons that took down the towers...they struck a pretty hard blow...but in the end their entire regime was sent underground and saw their country that they wanted under their control...set free, at least as much as is possible at this time...how many of their friends and family did they get killed???. Im not comparing rommel to terrorists, just that winning many battles does not make you brilliant...its winning the war that counts
we decimated the iraqi troops and Husein is dead...we did it quick...but i doubt anyone will be calling the war brilliant...personally im glad the guy is dead, but any brilliance will be shown by fixing the problems...and freeing the country not just fighting more battles....again killing is easy...solving the problems is not
Germany could have won World War II actually. If Hitler had not been stupid enough to attack Russia they had a good chance of winning it. Don't forget that Britain was pretty stretched at that time with the US preferring to stay out of the war she was fighting on her own. I also believe the English channel saved Britain at the start of the war! So if you think that Germany could not have won the war, think again. Germany had the best military machine in the world at that time.
Now about the Twin Towers and the attack on Iraq...sadly Iraq had nothing to do with it. Osama Bin Laden had and he hasn't been caught yet. Many of the people responsible for the 9/11 attacks are still free. The second war on Iraq (unlike the first one) was not legitimate as Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction. Bush just wanted to vent his anger over 9/11. Terrorism is a different kind of war...
About killing Saddam...I am against capital punishment. No man has the right to take another man's life. I would have preferred if he was sent for life imprisonment.
Had Germany allied with Russia the world would be a different place, but thier machine could not survive indefinitely. They could not have held the countries they conquered..they may well have conquered them...but they were not going to hold them
and i mentioned iraq and afganistan seperately as two separate examples
Osama attacked us and he is a fugitive living in caves. His organization was demolished in a very short time after his attack and his country celebrated its removal
The US demolished Iraq and his leader...but have hardly won the war...im using it as an example of being able to conquer a country but not win the war...
and i didnt say it was right to kill Sadam...i just said im glad hes dead...I happen to disagree with captial punishment too.
[quote="AAFitz"]Osama attacked us and he is a fugitive living in caves. His organization was demolished in a very short time after his attack and his country celebrated its removal/quote]
Which organisation? Al-qaeda? Don't quite think tis been destroyed yet. Global underground terrorist organisations are notoriously hard to get rid of. Its not even an organisation in itslef, in fact, but a grouping of terrorist groups under one banner. Still alive and kicking I'm afraid... and there isn't a single country we can invade to stop that.
qwert wrote:Can i ask you something?What is porpose for you to open these Political topic in ConquerClub? Why you mix politic with Risk? Why you not open topic like HOT AND SEXY,or something like that.
I agree with Fitz, Saddam had to go...but not at the present cost...Somebody in time would have removed him...Ever wonder why Bush Sr. stopped at border during the Gulf war(when he had blessing of UN and the world)...He's a Veteran and understands the cost of war...Too bad Jr can't read history books.
AAFitz wrote:Osama attacked us and he is a fugitive living in caves. His organization was demolished in a very short time after his attack and his country celebrated its removal/quote]
Which organisation? Al-qaeda? Don't quite think tis been destroyed yet. Global underground terrorist organisations are notoriously hard to get rid of. Its not even an organisation in itslef, in fact, but a grouping of terrorist groups under one banner. Still alive and kicking I'm afraid... and there isn't a single country we can invade to stop that.
im not at all suggesting they are gone......
the point is they attacked us and took on some serious damage...
and that they caused their own people much suffering and loss, not that they were utterly annhilated
unless you are trying to say the the attacks on the towers put them in a better position and were well thought out
It was a masterpiece (from a militaristic point of view...God rest the innocent CIVILIANS killed) .
A man living in cave striking at the heart of Capitislim!!!!
There structure and organistion is till very much alive and for every terroist that dies 10 more spring up to take his place.
Look at iraq, US troops suffered there biggest casaulties last month!!!!
Saddam Hussian told the world you will defeat IRAQ but IRAQ will be your grave!
my point is that killing is easy...but if it leaves you in a worse state afterwards it is not brilliant...its insane
and all they had to do was read a Tom Clancy novel to get the idea, and learn to fly....
the fact that we were stupid enough to let it happen doesnt make them brilliant
and the heart of america isnt two silly buildings...its in the heart of every american....try to break that
and one more time.....I AM SAYING THAT IRAQ IS A DISASTER...A MISTAKE...AN EXAMPLE OF A MILITARY ACTION THAT HAS MANY PROBLEMS...did you actually read my posts or just see the word iraq..and go nuts???
mandalorian2298 wrote:That isn't a swastika. It is a cross. And swastika (depending on wich way it is turned) can be a ezoteric symbol without any link to nazism.
now it is...but before when there was a swastika on it.....it had a swastika on it...
mandalorian2298 wrote:That isn't a swastika. It is a cross. And swastika (depending on wich way it is turned) can be a ezoteric symbol without any link to nazism.
now it is...but before when there was a swastika on it.....it had a swastika on it...
Oh, tnx. I guess this happens when you join an argument at the page 7
Mishuk gotal'u meshuroke, pako kyore.
Talapus wrote:I'm far more pissed that mandy and his thought process were right from the get go....damn you mandy.
no all i saw was u won the war.we done this.we done that...Like a typical american trapped in a patoric illusion. US werent the only ones in war and they wouldnt have gone to war for fear of the UN and world approval...But that muppet of a lap dog tony blair went against the will of HIS nation and backed up US and everyone followed!!!
And the WTC is the heart of anerica and world....
All world trade goes through those silly 2 towers.
And lastly you werent silly coz they smashed the towers...It was pearl harbour 2. Well planned, well executed and unpredictable
hulmey wrote:no all i saw was u won the war.we done this.we done that...Like a typical american trapped in a patoric illusion. US werent the only ones in war and they wouldnt have gone to war for fear of the UN and world approval...But that muppet of a lap dog tony blair went against the will of HIS nation and backed up US and everyone followed!!!
And the WTC is the heart of anerica and world....
All world trade goes through those silly 2 towers.
And lastly you werent silly coz they smashed the towers...It was pearl harbour 2. Well planned, well executed and unpredictable
this really is funny....my point is that all of these brilliant attacks have cost the attackers their countries destruction....the fact that the attack was successful is irrelevant....its the end game that matters....and coming out on top is what takes brilliance not an individual campaign
humans have always been good at war....its peace thats the hard part
and as far as the attacks that day...as painful as they are and as crushed as we were...it never broke our spirit...and nothing ever will
AAFitz wrote:this really is funny....my point is that all of these brilliant attacks have cost the attackers their countries destruction....
Ah yes- the rock solid connection between 9/11 and Iraq...
Not to mention that Iraq's been "destroyed" for a looooong time- that's why the States invaded it. Years of horrible atrocities funded by the States, then years of brutal sanctions....it was already the weakest country in the area when the states attacked it.
If there was a connection, then the attack should be viewed as retaliation for the states actions...
I haven't got the time to read all these posts but i did hear that the Nazi avatar got banned, i assume this is the topic.
I would just like to add that i disagree with it being banned. This attitude is part of the problem, a Big part. A nazi avatar means nothing to me, Nothing. Most, and when i say most, the majority of people who find this offence are hypocrites of the highest calibre, If old enough have probably even uttered the preposterous "just ignore them".
