CIA Confirms: Waterboarding Prevented Attack on Los Angeles

[SultanOfSurreal]

LMAO..........TY for your interest in my post.

i think you are confusing blithe derision for interest

Ummmm these are not actually "revenge fantasies", even as we sit and post these insanely zealous muslim murderers are in fact in the hands of American operatives throughout the world being dealt with much more harshly than mere waterboarding, and we all know this to be true. These waterboarding incidents are only what has been uncovered. May all these blood soaked terrorist scum be sent to there reward with a hunk of raw pork shoved down their throats.

this certainly seems like a fairly elaborate and may i say repugnant revenge fantasy to me, but i am never surprised to see people take so much pleasure in human suffering. thankfully you are far too much of a pussy to ever commit an act of violence yourself, so this useless masturbating over how awesome human rights violations are is the only real consequence of your twisted psyche we'll ever have to deal with

[Neoteny]

I say we line 'em all up (Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindu, all of 'em), spray em with a mixture of pig's blood, cow's blood, and human stem cells, and then I get the plane all to myself, and then I won't have to listen to the maniacal cackling about how one person's ridiculous religious insanity is more inane than any other's. Hopefully they'll have something for me to towel off with, too.

[Snorri1234]

What exactly is it that you guys dispute?

That torture works.

[Neoteny]

More specifically: the extent to which torture works, and when it is appropriate to use it.

[jonesthecurl]

Well, and I thought the question was also one of belief in the reports.

[Neoteny]

Yeah, but that's boring. We already know the government lies to us.

[GabonX]

You look at a variety of sources, Gabon?

How about this one? http://mediamatters.org/items/200904220032?f=s_search

Also media matters?

The truth on this matter will come out, it's to big not to. Frankly I don't think Cheney would set himself up to be caught in a lie this big that can so easily be verrified.

You may want to try to find better sources than "media matters" in the future. An organization created for the sole purpose of putting a leftist spin on things is hardly credible.

[InkL0sed]

Facts aren't a matter of debate.

Fact is this plot was uncovered before the CIA started waterboarding.

[b.k. barunt]

What exactly is it that you guys dispute?

This idea that you're going to believe that interrogation methods were used based off of CIA reports but not believe the reports which detail the extent and results of the techniques is completely irrational.

Reality isn't a game of pick and choose.

So if i believe the CIA when they "admit" to torturing, i have to believe everything they say?
And i'm "irrational" if i don't see it that way? Are you retarded?

News flash for you genius, they "admitted" that because they were about to be exposed, so they said "as irrational as it may seem, if we 'admit' to this before they publicize it, some of our notsobright citizens will actually think we are being candid." Your predictability makes them seem almost precognizant.


Honibaz

[GabonX]

What exactly is it that you guys dispute?

This idea that you're going to believe that interrogation methods were used based off of CIA reports but not believe the reports which detail the extent and results of the techniques is completely irrational.

Reality isn't a game of pick and choose.

So if i believe the CIA when they "admit" to torturing, i have to believe everything they say?
And i'm "irrational" if i don't see it that way? Are you retarded?

News flash for you genius, they "admitted" that because they were about to be exposed, so they said "as irrational as it may seem, if we 'admit' to this before they publicize it, some of our notsobright citizens will actually think we are being candid." Your predictability makes them seem almost precognizant.


Honibaz

That's all fine and dandy, but there is no evidence to support any of your claims. You're basing your beliefs (and thats what they are, beliefs) off of what you think may have happened as opposed to what the data presents. There has never been any question over the number of people who were subjected to these methods of interrogation but apparently you think you know something everyone else does not.

Once again I'll ask, what exactly are you disputing? Also, based on what specific empirical evidance do you dispute it?

[Simon Viavant]

GabonX, the Bush administration officially stated to have uncovered that plot a year before the guy was captured. That's not a spin, that's a fucking fact.

I was thinking we can skip all the expensive airport security devices and just have Super Soakers filled with pigs blood at the entrance to the cockpit. Then when these islamic terrorist nut jobs get squirted and can't get their virgins they'll run to the bathroom to begin cleansing themselves with the blue toilet water.

Post reported, go f*ck yourself.

[GabonX]

Facts aren't a matter of debate.

Fact is this plot was uncovered before the CIA started waterboarding.

GabonX, the Bush administration officially stated to have uncovered that plot a year before the guy was captured. That's not a spin, that's a fucking fact.

I'm going to guess that niether one of you bothered to read the source material but instead took the article at face value. I'm going to demonstrate exactly what's wrong with lending your trust to spin machines right here and now by examining the source material.

In 2002 only one member of a four member cell was arrested:
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives. ... 209-4.html


There was in fact another plot in 2003:
http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives. ... 70523.html

We Also Broke Up Other Post-9/11 Aviation Plots.

In 2002, we broke up a plot by KSM to hijack an airplane and fly it into the tallest building on the West Coast. During a hearing at Guantanamo Bay two months ago, KSM stated that the intended target was the Library Tower in Los Angeles.
In 2003, we uncovered and stopped a plot led by another suspected senior al Qaeda operative named Abu Bakr al-Azdi. Our intelligence community believes this plot was to be another East Coast aviation attack – hijacking multiple airplanes and then crashing them into targets in the United States.

Could it be that the plot which is being referred to was the later attempt in 2003 which was stopped after Khalid Shaikh Mohammed's arrest?

Read the fucking source material next time. I was initially open to Media Matters, but closer investigation of the content reveals that it is a spin machine which churns out half truths and lies.

Rest assured that more will come out on this. Don't expect to get accurate reporting from Media Matters.

[b.k. barunt]

That's all fine and dandy, but there is no evidence to support any of your claims. You're basing your beliefs (and thats what they are, beliefs) off of what you think may have happened as opposed to what the data presents. There has never been any question over the number of people who were subjected to these methods of interrogation but apparently you think you know something everyone else does not.

Once again I'll ask, what exactly are you disputing? Also, based on what specific empirical evidance do you dispute it?

"No evidence to support any of your claims". Amazing. Evidently you are unfamiliar with my claims. I claim that the CIA are liars, and anyone who believes their denials or any other statements to the public are ignorant morons. Do you have any idea what you are challenging here? The CIA is by nature an organization which operates by lies. Propaganda, disinformation, etc - that's what they do.

We were told repeatedly under Bush that no methods of torture were being used - you evidently believed that shit, and now you believe how many they say were tortured and what methods were used. I bet you believe that Bill Clinton "never had sex with that woman".


Honibaz

[neanderpaul14]

LMAO..........TY for your interest in my post.

i think you are confusing blithe derision for interest

Ummmm these are not actually "revenge fantasies", even as we sit and post these insanely zealous muslim murderers are in fact in the hands of American operatives throughout the world being dealt with much more harshly than mere waterboarding, and we all know this to be true. These waterboarding incidents are only what has been uncovered. May all these blood soaked terrorist scum be sent to there reward with a hunk of raw pork shoved down their throats.

this certainly seems like a fairly elaborate and may i say repugnant revenge fantasy to me, but i am never surprised to see people take so much pleasure in human suffering. thankfully you are far too much of a pussy to ever commit an act of violence yourself, so this useless masturbating over how awesome human rights violations are is the only real consequence of your twisted psyche we'll ever have to deal with

Ohhhh c'mon you keep using the words "revenge fantasies", this is not the case. You know as well as I do that your "brethren" are suffering much worse fates than mere waterboarding. I'm merely saying that these lunatics deserve what they get. Terrorists deserve no consideration as far as human rights are concerned, they are the worst people on this earth. By comparison gang-bangers deserve praise, at least they do it for greed and not just fanaticism, this is much safer and predictable.

And as for as my desire to commit acts of violence, I'm basically a peaceful person by nature, however given the opportunity I would gladly pick up a pair of pliers, a set of pincers, or just some simple bamboo stakes and use them on these jihadist scum, not just to make them talk, rather just to hear them scream.

I think any who desire to commit a homicide bombing should be allowed to, as long as they survive one practice run with a live bomb within their vest, this will prove that allah approves. (please note: non-capitalization of "allah" was purposeful)

[pimpdave]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__8O7IDgcIc

[captain.crazy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__8O7IDgcIc

Obermann is an ass. I would take him up on his thousand dollar a second offer, easily. Waterboarding is a psychological method of "torture." Its not the same thing as stringing someone up and electrocuting their nuts. This is pussy torture. Those filthy terrorists probably needed the bath anyway.

[flabio]

I hang on to, and believe every word that the C.I.A. has to say.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!

[b.k. barunt]

(please note: non-capitalization of "allah" was purposeful)

Honibaz

[captain.crazy]

I hang on to, and believe every word that the C.I.A. has to say.

Hahahahahahaha!!!!

What about Pelosie? I understand that she was fully aware of the waterboarding that was going on...

[neanderpaul14]

I was thinking we can skip all the expensive airport security devices and just have Super Soakers filled with pigs blood at the entrance to the cockpit. Then when these islamic terrorist nut jobs get squirted and can't get their virgins they'll run to the bathroom to begin cleansing themselves with the blue toilet water.

Post reported, go f*ck yourself.

----Huh where did this personal attack come from??? I said nothing to you or about you. I'm merely trying to devise a new and inexpensive means of defending our airports from extremist nut jobs. So unless you were planning on hijacking an airliner this does not pertain to you.

[pimpdave]

spray em with... pig's blood.

DMX approves.

[Juan_Bottom]

Juan_Bottom confirms: Petting Zoo in his pants...

[b.k. barunt]

I was thinking we can skip all the expensive airport security devices and just have Super Soakers filled with pigs blood at the entrance to the cockpit. Then when these islamic terrorist nut jobs get squirted and can't get their virgins they'll run to the bathroom to begin cleansing themselves with the blue toilet water.

Post reported, go f*ck yourself.

Sounds like someone is offended by those of us who would cast aspersions on our islamic friends. Neanderpaul, you have just been tattled on.

I myself would handcuff one of them, throw his copy of the koran in the toilet, and let him pull it out with his mouth like he's bobbing for apples. Now report me you little bitch.


Honibaz

[GabonX]

That's all fine and dandy, but there is no evidence to support any of your claims. You're basing your beliefs (and thats what they are, beliefs) off of what you think may have happened as opposed to what the data presents. There has never been any question over the number of people who were subjected to these methods of interrogation but apparently you think you know something everyone else does not.

Once again I'll ask, what exactly are you disputing? Also, based on what specific empirical evidance do you dispute it?

"No evidence to support any of your claims". Amazing. Evidently you are unfamiliar with my claims. I claim that the CIA are liars, and anyone who believes their denials or any other statements to the public are ignorant morons. Do you have any idea what you are challenging here? The CIA is by nature an organization which operates by lies. Propaganda, disinformation, etc - that's what they do.

We were told repeatedly under Bush that no methods of torture were being used - you evidently believed that shit, and now you believe how many they say were tortured and what methods were used. I bet you believe that Bill Clinton "never had sex with that woman".


Honibaz

You've yet to provide any evidence. Thinking angry thoughts and writing them down may help to blow off steam but it doesn't make your argument any more credible. You also haven't identified what exactly you dispute, just that you have some kind of emotional generic disagreement.

I don't expect the CIA to tell me everything, but when we get to see CIA reports that THEY used it creates a degree of transparency. Whats more, there is a new administration in place which was criticle of the methods used, but has yet to denounce any of the claims of the former administration. I don't think they're going to cover up Bush era contraversies and the fact that they are silent on the interrogation results lends credibility to Cheney's claims.

Hopefully the reports will be released in full.

[Juan_Bottom]

Juan_Bottom confirms: works this coming Monday