Dave Grossman wrote:Honor never grows old, and honor rejoices the heart of age. It does so because honor is, finally, about defending those noble and worthy things that deserve defending, even if it comes at a high cost. In our time, that may mean social disapproval, public scorn, hardship, persecution, or as always,even death itself. The question remains: What is worth defending? What is worth dying for? What is worth living for? - William J. Bennett - in a lecture to the United States Naval Academy November 24, 1997
One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me:
"Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident." This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another. Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.
Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers, and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful.? For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.
"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf."
If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen, a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath, a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? What do you have then? A sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed
Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial, that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools.
But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are thousands of times more likely to be killed or seriously injured by school violence than fire, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their child is just too hard, and so they chose the path of denial.
The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, can not and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheep dog who intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa."
Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog.
The students, the victims, at Columbine High School were big, tough high school students, and under ordinary circumstances they would not have had the time of day for a police officer. They were not bad kids; they just had nothing to say to a cop. When the school was under attack, however, and SWAT teams were clearing the rooms and hallways, the officers had to physically peel those clinging, sobbing kids off of them. This is how the little lambs feel about their sheepdog when the wolf is at the door.
Look at what happened after September 11, 2001 when the wolf pounded hard on the door. Remember how America, more than ever before, felt differently about their law enforcement officers and military personnel? Remember how many times you heard the word hero?
Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.
There is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, but he does have one real advantage. Only one. And that is that he is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population. There was research conducted a few years ago with individuals convicted of violent crimes. These cons were in prison for serious, predatory crimes of violence: assaults, murders and killing law enforcement officers. The vast majority said that they specifically targeted victims by body language: slumped walk, passive behavior and lack of awareness. They chose their victims like big cats do in Africa, when they select one out of the herd that is least able to protect itself.
Some people may be destined to be sheep and others might be genetically primed to be wolves or sheepdogs. But I believe that most people can choose which one they want to be, and I'm proud to say that more and more Americans are choosing to become sheepdogs.
Seven months after the attack on September 11, 2001, Todd Beamer was honored in his hometown of Cranbury, New Jersey. Todd, as you recall, was the man on Flight 93 over Pennsylvania who called on his cell phone to alert an operator from United Airlines about the hijacking. When he learned of the other three passenger planes that had been used as weapons, Todd dropped his phone and uttered the words, "Let's roll," which authorities believe was a signal to the other passengers to confront the terrorist hijackers. In one hour, a transformation occurred among the passengers - athletes, business people and parents. -- from sheep to sheepdogs and together they fought the wolves, ultimately saving an unknown number of lives on the ground.
There is no safety for honest men except by believing all possible evil of evil men. - Edmund Burke
Here is the point I like to emphasize, especially to the thousands of police officers and soldiers I speak to each year. In nature the sheep, real sheep, are born as sheep. Sheepdogs are born that way, and so are wolves. They didn't have a choice. But you are not a critter. As a human being, you can be whatever you want to be. It is a conscious, moral decision.
If you want to be a sheep, then you can be a sheep and that is okay, but you must understand the price you pay. When the wolf comes, you and your loved ones are going to die if there is not a sheepdog there to protect you. If you want to be a wolf, you can be one, but the sheepdogs are going to hunt you down and you will never have rest, safety, trust or love. But if you want to be a sheepdog and walk the warrior's path, then you must make a conscious and moral decision every day to dedicate, equip and prepare yourself to thrive in that toxic, corrosive moment when the wolf comes knocking at the door.
For example, many officers carry their weapons in church.? They are well concealed in ankle holsters, shoulder holsters or inside-the-belt holsters tucked into the small of their backs.? Anytime you go to some form of religious service, there is a very good chance that a police officer in your congregation is carrying. You will never know if there is such an individual in your place of worship, until the wolf appears to massacre you and your loved ones.
I was training a group of police officers in Texas, and during the break, one officer asked his friend if he carried his weapon in church. The other cop replied, "I will never be caught without my gun in church." I asked why he felt so strongly about this, and he told me about a cop he knew who was at a church massacre in Ft. Worth, Texas in 1999. In that incident, a mentally deranged individual came into the church and opened fire, gunning down fourteen people. He said that officer believed he could have saved every life that day if he had been carrying his gun. His own son was shot, and all he could do was throw himself on the boy's body and wait to die. That cop looked me in the eye and said, "Do you have any idea how hard it would be to live with yourself after that?"
Some individuals would be horrified if they knew this police officer was carrying a weapon in church. They might call him paranoid and would probably scorn him. Yet these same individuals would be enraged and would call for "heads to roll" if they found out that the airbags in their cars were defective, or that the fire extinguisher and fire sprinklers in their kids' school did not work. They can accept the fact that fires and traffic accidents can happen and that there must be safeguards against them.
Their only response to the wolf, though, is denial, and all too often their response to the sheepdog is scorn and disdain. But the sheepdog quietly asks himself, "Do you have and idea how hard it would be to live with yourself if your loved ones attacked and killed, and you had to stand there helplessly because you were unprepared for that day?"
It is denial that turns people into sheep. Sheep are psychologically destroyed by combat because their only defense is denial, which is counterproductive and destructive, resulting in fear, helplessness and horror when the wolf shows up.
Denial kills you twice. It kills you once, at your moment of truth when you are not physically prepared: you didn't bring your gun, you didn't train. Your only defense was wishful thinking. Hope is not a strategy. Denial kills you a second time because even if you do physically survive, you are psychologically shattered by your fear helplessness and horror at your moment of truth.
Gavin de Becker puts it like this in Fear Less, his superb post-9/11 book, which should be required reading for anyone trying to come to terms with our current world situation: "...denial can be seductive, but it has an insidious side effect. For all the peace of mind deniers think they get by saying it isn't so, the fall they take when faced with new violence is all the more unsettling."
Denial is a save-now-pay-later scheme, a contract written entirely in small print, for in the long run, the denying person knows the truth on some level.
And so the warrior must strive to confront denial in all aspects of his life, and prepare himself for the day when evil comes. If you are warrior who is legally authorized to carry a weapon and you step outside without that weapon, then you become a sheep, pretending that the bad man will not come today. No one can be "on" 24/7, for a lifetime. Everyone needs down time. But if you are authorized to carry a weapon, and you walk outside without it, just take a deep breath, and say this to yourself...
"Baa."
This business of being a sheep or a sheep dog is not a yes-no dichotomy. It is not an all-or-nothing, either-or choice. It is a matter of degrees, a continuum. On one end is an abject, head-in-the-sand-sheep and on the other end is the ultimate warrior. Few people exist completely on one end or the other. Most of us live somewhere in between. Since 9-11 almost everyone in America took a step up that continuum, away from denial. The sheep took a few steps toward accepting and appreciating their warriors, and the warriors started taking their job more seriously. The degree to which you move up that continuum, away from sheephood and denial, is the degree to which you and your loved ones will survive, physically and psychologically at your moment of truth.
Dogs, Wolves, and Sheep
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Last edited by GabonX on Thu Apr 23, 2009 1:57 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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It's a very simplistic analogy that serves only to stereotype and to justify the existence of those who consider themselves the dogs.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
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Bah, bah, black sheep, Have you any wool?
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chuckle chuckle.
Call me what you want, I'm comfortable enough with my teeth that I know how to use them.
Call me what you want, I'm comfortable enough with my teeth that I know how to use them.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
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For grass or hay?
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For your mother's cunt.
Troll away, boy.
Troll away, boy.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
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Seriously though, I found this metaphor to be spot on. Claiming that it is overly simplistic is an over simplistic answer that doesn't really discredit it in any way.
It appears that this is the nature of things in our world.
It appears that this is the nature of things in our world.
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I disagree with this metaphor.
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strike wolf wrote:I disagree with this metaphor.
On what grounds?
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Fine, I'll bite.
No, it isn't. Because there are more than three types of people. As an example of one, the people who are labeled sheep in this metaphor are true pacifists. There are very few true pacifists. Most people understand that the use of force is based on many factors, and is very often justifiable, however much we wish it were avoidable.
The wolf stereotype lumps together all the people who cause bad things to happen in this world. Sure, some people do it out of aims for personal gain or just for the fun of it. But many people do it because they think they are dogs, or sheep. And from their perspective, they might be. It is flawed in both the classification and lack of perspective. Would could argue the "inherency of wolfishness," but it would probably just be a waste of time.
No, it isn't. Because there are more than three types of people. As an example of one, the people who are labeled sheep in this metaphor are true pacifists. There are very few true pacifists. Most people understand that the use of force is based on many factors, and is very often justifiable, however much we wish it were avoidable.
The wolf stereotype lumps together all the people who cause bad things to happen in this world. Sure, some people do it out of aims for personal gain or just for the fun of it. But many people do it because they think they are dogs, or sheep. And from their perspective, they might be. It is flawed in both the classification and lack of perspective. Would could argue the "inherency of wolfishness," but it would probably just be a waste of time.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
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What I see in the world is a great deal of evil, and a great deal of people who stand in the way of those who would put an end to it. This was the case prior to World War 2 and it seems to be the case today.
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Which brings in that fourth category that isn't mentioned. Those who see the evil in the world that happens but rather than trying to stop it they try to isolate people from it and ignore it hoping not to get involved. Maybe they could be seen as a sub-category of the dog or the sheep (the black sheep?) but they seem to need a category of their own.
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GabonX wrote:What I see in the world is a great deal of evil, and a great deal of people who stand in the way of those who would put an end to it. This was the case prior to World War 2 and it seems to be the case today.
That might be true, but doesn't justify the simplistic analogy you are purporting to support. And it's actively harmful to do so, especially if there is someone foolish enough to agree with you.
strike wolf wrote:Which brings in that fourth category that isn't mentioned. Those who see the evil in the world that happens but rather than trying to stop it they try to isolate people from it and ignore it hoping not to get involved. Maybe they could be seen as a sub-category of the dog or the sheep (the black sheep?) but they seem to need a category of their own.
Indeed, I don't really have a problem with the categories as presented. I have an issue with the assertion that those are the only categories, and even that any of those three categories make up a large portion of the world population. Maybe the dogs, but that's debatable. It's an aesthetically pleasing analogy that definitely has a certain flow to it, hence its appeal, but it's just too narrow-minded.
Napoleon Ier wrote:You people need to grow up to be honest.
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Effin' Aye!
I'm the Wolf. I look like a Sheep. You think I'm innocent, but the instance you naively turn away I will attack. That's how we do it wolffystyle!
As the quintessential wolf, I take pride in my ability to devour helpless sheep. I am a capitalist wolf. I am the wolf in the tuxedo and top hat who is rolling stogies with 100 dollar bills and then laughing hysterically and tossing them into the grazing field when I realize that as a lousy wolf, I cannot smoke! Yes, I invested in Google. Yes, I eat sheep for breakfast. I fast for lunch so that I may eat more sheep for supper.
HOOOOOWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLL!
I'm the Wolf. I look like a Sheep. You think I'm innocent, but the instance you naively turn away I will attack. That's how we do it wolffystyle!
As the quintessential wolf, I take pride in my ability to devour helpless sheep. I am a capitalist wolf. I am the wolf in the tuxedo and top hat who is rolling stogies with 100 dollar bills and then laughing hysterically and tossing them into the grazing field when I realize that as a lousy wolf, I cannot smoke! Yes, I invested in Google. Yes, I eat sheep for breakfast. I fast for lunch so that I may eat more sheep for supper.
HOOOOOWWWWWWWLLLLLLLLLLLLL!

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Wielding a hot dog in one hand and a fedora in the other. . . . .
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jonesthecurl wrote:It's just wooly thinking.
Not to mention barking up the wrong tree.
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Neoteny wrote:GabonX wrote:What I see in the world is a great deal of evil, and a great deal of people who stand in the way of those who would put an end to it. This was the case prior to World War 2 and it seems to be the case today.
That might be true, but doesn't justify the simplistic analogy you are purporting to support. And it's actively harmful to do so, especially if there is someone foolish enough to agree with you.strike wolf wrote:Which brings in that fourth category that isn't mentioned. Those who see the evil in the world that happens but rather than trying to stop it they try to isolate people from it and ignore it hoping not to get involved. Maybe they could be seen as a sub-category of the dog or the sheep (the black sheep?) but they seem to need a category of their own.
Indeed, I don't really have a problem with the categories as presented. I have an issue with the assertion that those are the only categories, and even that any of those three categories make up a large portion of the world population. Maybe the dogs, but that's debatable. It's an aesthetically pleasing analogy that definitely has a certain flow to it, hence its appeal, but it's just too narrow-minded.
These people who "see the evil in the world that happens but rather than trying to stop it they try to isolate people from it and ignore it hoping not to get involved" stand in the way of correcting the problem. What they do is selfish and cruel as it enables, quite litteraly, all of the world's wrongs. This is the dark side of sheep.
Basically everyone fits into one of these three categories. There are those who are preyed upon, or can be preyed upon but are protected. There are also people who profit from evil things, and this is the case regardless of why they do it. The perspective of these people, how they justify the things they do to themselves, is irrelevant. There are also people who would act to fix the world but are restrained from doing so. I have never seen or heard of someone who did not fit into one of these three categories, or perhaps some mixture of them.
Certainly there is nobody here who doesn't fit into one of them.
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Your wife's name wouldn't happen to be Mary would it?
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So Dogs are only useful in as far as there are Wolves?
It would seem the dogs have a very vested interest then in making people aware of wolves even when wolves were really nowhere to be found, lest they be forgotten or marginalized.
Even from another angle if there are too many dogs, then eventually the sheep resent the dogs too much for the lack of discernable threat and the dogs lose their ability to maintain the sheep as they go unchecked by the wolves.
Kinda sounds like as long as we keep the dogs in check, everything else remains in balance. The worst scenarios out of the animals given require there to be too much influence or too many dogs in number.
It would seem the dogs have a very vested interest then in making people aware of wolves even when wolves were really nowhere to be found, lest they be forgotten or marginalized.
Even from another angle if there are too many dogs, then eventually the sheep resent the dogs too much for the lack of discernable threat and the dogs lose their ability to maintain the sheep as they go unchecked by the wolves.
Kinda sounds like as long as we keep the dogs in check, everything else remains in balance. The worst scenarios out of the animals given require there to be too much influence or too many dogs in number.
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You're right, if there were no threats in this world, there would be no need to protect against them.
The fact is that there are people who seek war in this world and most of them are the enemies of the United States and the Western way of life. Wolves in sheeps clothing
The longer they go unaddressed the stronger they become.
The fact is that there are people who seek war in this world and most of them are the enemies of the United States and the Western way of life. Wolves in sheeps clothing
The longer they go unaddressed the stronger they become.
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GabonX wrote:Neoteny wrote:GabonX wrote:What I see in the world is a great deal of evil, and a great deal of people who stand in the way of those who would put an end to it. This was the case prior to World War 2 and it seems to be the case today.
That might be true, but doesn't justify the simplistic analogy you are purporting to support. And it's actively harmful to do so, especially if there is someone foolish enough to agree with you.strike wolf wrote:Which brings in that fourth category that isn't mentioned. Those who see the evil in the world that happens but rather than trying to stop it they try to isolate people from it and ignore it hoping not to get involved. Maybe they could be seen as a sub-category of the dog or the sheep (the black sheep?) but they seem to need a category of their own.
Indeed, I don't really have a problem with the categories as presented. I have an issue with the assertion that those are the only categories, and even that any of those three categories make up a large portion of the world population. Maybe the dogs, but that's debatable. It's an aesthetically pleasing analogy that definitely has a certain flow to it, hence its appeal, but it's just too narrow-minded.
These people who "see the evil in the world that happens but rather than trying to stop it they try to isolate people from it and ignore it hoping not to get involved" stand in the way of correcting the problem. What they do is selfish and cruel as it enables, quite litteraly, all of the world's wrongs. This is the dark side of sheep.
Basically everyone fits into one of these three categories. There are those who are preyed upon, or can be preyed upon but are protected. There are also people who profit from evil things, and this is the case regardless of why they do it. The perspective of these people, how they justify the things they do to themselves, is irrelevant. There are also people who would act to fix the world but are restrained from doing so. I have never seen or heard of someone who did not fit into one of these three categories, or perhaps some mixture of them.
Certainly there is nobody here who doesn't fit into one of them.
I still say inadequately fits everyone in the world. There is too much overlapping between dogs and wolves. Those who seek to protect but instead harm. and too many dogs that could be seen as sheep or vice versa.
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The world is not such a complicated thing. Too often people's emotions cloud the obvious.
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GabonX wrote:You're right, if there were no threats in this world, there would be no need to protect against them.
The fact is that there are people who seek war in this world and most of them are the enemies of the United States and the Western way of life. Wolves in sheeps clothing
The longer they go unaddressed the stronger they become.
lol there is not a legit example of a wolf in sheeps clothing. Everyone who we think poses a threat from either a strategic or security standpoint, is showing it to anyone and everyone who follows even the smallest amount of news.
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GabonX wrote:The world is not such a complicated thing. Too often people's emotions cloud the obvious.
The world is complex. Every single person in this world is different and while it may be standardized in many ways it is different. These emotions that "cloud the obvious" are what make us different. In a world without emotion maybe we would all be the same but these emotions do not cloud anything, they are what make the world complex.
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