Socialism and Capitalism

[snufkin]

Sorry, but water is a limited resource, too. Just because it seems to sit there doesn't mean its useless. Ask any fisherman, any farmer ... etc.
And water alone is not yet fuel and won't be for a very long time.

water (hydrogen+oxygen) and electricity is theoretically enough to propel a spaceship in space..
NASA and ESA believes that Ceres has more freshwater than earth.. sure it´s in the main belt and perhaps too far away to be harvested within 200 years, but some asteroids do have a lot of water and I´m hoping some near earth asteroids also have it.

You forget two VERY big factors in this whole "throw money at it and it will get fixed" scenarios.
#1 EDUCATION.. particularly science wich is very neatly being eroded as we speak.

surely this is not an ongoing trend and an endless downward spiral, or do you believe that humanity is rotting away and we are facing "mad max" scenarios?

#2 RESOURCES ..which are not, here on earth in unlimited supply and readily accessible to all now. Where they are means huge expense.. not just money, but ecological and economic (as in damaging to those living and working in those areas who will be effectively displaced with little or no compensation .. or wish they were displaced).

this is why we need to start asap and not wait until earth runs out of resources.. if we find little green men on the asteroids then I guess we´ll have to evict them.
and yes it has to be supervised capitalism and countries with great visions - the US used to have it and I refuse to believe it simply was a side effect of the cold war.
You can do it again, and if not.. then I guess we have to start hoping for China to catch up.
(they are becoming increasingly capitalistic)
We Europeans are too lazy and slow and cheap and would argue about financing for half a century.. I said 200 years in my first post but perhaps it should be 3-400.. anyway..

Long live capitalist socialism!
We need to rob space of its riches to avoid becoming extras in an australian b-movie!
Screw dystopian prophecies from the eighties and ffs screw mel gibson!
Let´s all pull together as a team against Mel Gibson! In the name of socialism!

[mpjh]

I don't think Q is going to like us colonizing his universe.

[snufkin]

..of course not, but we will be socialists.. just like they are in star trek.

We need a Karl picard or a jean luc marx and a lot of faith.

[mpjh]

Blasphemer, Picard was from the grape growing aristocracy of France. Everybody knows it was the Vulcans that were the socialists.

[snufkin]

There have been lots of aristocratic commies.
They were all socialists..

well not the ferengi, they were obviously capitalists. The Borg of course stalinists.
and then hmm I forget.. Bajorans? The fundies?

[mpjh]

No the Bajorans were the Jesus Freaks of the Alpha quadrant.

[muy_thaiguy]

Sorry it is a scientific fact that radical liberals have more joyful sex, give more time and money to community work, are devoted to their families more determinedly than others, and love their country more than any other group.

Well, it is scientific fact that radical liberals sterilize themselves, spend all money on narcotics, 2/3 OD on said narcotics, 1/3 to sh*t brained to get out of the drum circle (let alone do service), don't have families but produce "offspring" through injecting semen into animal ovaries, and believe "I love my country, that is why I want it destroyed!"

[mpjh]

Now you are just spreading propaganda from the cold war. Been there, heard that, didn't buy it then, don't buy it now.

[muy_thaiguy]

Now you are just spreading propaganda from the cold war. Been there, heard that, didn't buy it then, don't buy it now.

This is well documented. Goggle it.

[Wiivja]

Money is power easily

[mpjh]

Now you are just spreading propaganda from the cold war. Been there, heard that, didn't buy it then, don't buy it now.

This is well documented. Goggle it.

Of course it is well documented, by propagandists using well honed disinformation techniques. Get your head out of the echo box.

[PLAYER57832]

Sorry it is a scientific fact that radical liberals have more joyful sex, give more time and money to community work, are devoted to their families more determinedly than others, and love their country more than any other group.

Well, it is scientific fact that radical liberals sterilize themselves, spend all money on narcotics, 2/3 OD on said narcotics, 1/3 to sh*t brained to get out of the drum circle (let alone do service), don't have families but produce "offspring" through injecting semen into animal ovaries, and believe "I love my country, that is why I want it destroyed!"

And it is an equally valid scientific "fact" that conservatives all go to brainwashing seminars where they learn how to controll and destroy the minds of all who disagree.

[snufkin]

No the Bajorans were the Jesus Freaks of the Alpha quadrant.

that´s what I meant when I said fundies - fundamentalists.. I was trying to remember races that weren´t socialists.

I win this thread.. now you americans must follow my vision!
Obama is no Kennedy - you gotta help him

[mpjh]

Sorry it is a scientific fact that radical liberals have more joyful sex, give more time and money to community work, are devoted to their families more determinedly than others, and love their country more than any other group.

Well, it is scientific fact that radical liberals sterilize themselves, spend all money on narcotics, 2/3 OD on said narcotics, 1/3 to sh*t brained to get out of the drum circle (let alone do service), don't have families but produce "offspring" through injecting semen into animal ovaries, and believe "I love my country, that is why I want it destroyed!"

And it is an equally valid scientific "fact" that conservatives all go to brainwashing seminars where they learn how to controll and destroy the minds of all who disagree.

Unfortunately, when they practice on themselves they destroy their own minds. Such is life.

[PLAYER57832]

No the Bajorans were the Jesus Freaks of the Alpha quadrant.

that´s what I meant when I said fundies - fundamentalists.. I was trying to remember races that weren´t socialists.

I win this thread.. now you americans must follow my vision!
Obama is no Kennedy - you gotta help him

I don't think either the Romulans or the Cardassiens were particularly socialistic.

[mpjh]

The Cardassians were Trotskyites -- like today's neo-conservatives.

The Romulians were the Peshawar of Afghanistan.

[snufkin]

I don't think either the Romulans or the Cardassiens were particularly socialistic.

the romulan race were based on the roman empire.. who were like imperialist commies for much of their existance - definitely very far from capitalist anyway
and the isolationism of the romulans.. two words: north korea

my bad memory made me look up the cardassians.. and thw wikipedia article mentions them being communist-like and "loosely mirroring" the soviet union..

[Snorri1234]

I don't think either the Romulans or the Cardassiens were particularly socialistic.

the romulan race were based on the roman empire.. who were like imperialist commies for much of their existance

What?

[PLAYER57832]

I don't think either the Romulans or the Cardassiens were particularly socialistic.

the romulan race were based on the roman empire.. who were like imperialist commies for much of their existance - definitely very far from capitalist anyway
and the isolationism of the romulans.. two words: north korea

my bad memory made me look up the cardassians.. and thw wikipedia article mentions them being communist-like and "loosely mirroring" the soviet union..

I believe Cardassiens were mirrored on the stereotypes of the oppression and control... but not on economic communism.

The Klingons?

[PLAYER57832]

I don't think either the Romulans or the Cardassiens were particularly socialistic.

the romulan race were based on the roman empire.. who were like imperialist commies for much of their existance

What?

Is it Star Trek with which you are unfamiliar or are you challanging the comparision?

[Nobunaga]

... What would Tribles be then?

...

[snufkin]

The Klingons?

started out as the antagonists of the federation.. inspired by the cold war.. but I personally think they were more maoist chinese commies than soviet commies.

the romulan race were based on the roman empire.. who were like imperialist commies for much of their existance

What?

he he.. I guess it´s a bit of a stretch depending on what time period you mean
It´s more true with the later eastern/byzantine empire and the "dominium directum".. although there was private property it was ultimately controlled by the state which had the right to confiscate land and force workers to resettle. Compared with western feudalism they were kind of like the commies of their time..

ealier roman empire.. eh ok I give up..
Romulans are not commies - the roman empire was more fascist than socialist.


The tribbles are of course money - at first everyone likes them but their multiplying leads to them taking over.
It´s a symbol of greed - money almost has a life of its own and threatens even our good federation comrades.
The Vulcans (brainwashing northkoreans) don´t understand what they´re good for and the (maoist-leninist) Klingons hate them.

[Snorri1234]

the romulan race were based on the roman empire.. who were like imperialist commies for much of their existance

What?

he he.. I guess it´s a bit of a stretch depending on what time period you mean
It´s more true with the later eastern/byzantine empire and the "dominium directum".. although there was private property it was ultimately controlled by the state which had the right to confiscate land and force workers to resettle. Compared with western feudalism they were kind of like the commies of their time..

ealier roman empire.. eh ok I give up..
Romulans are not commies - the roman empire was more fascist than socialist.

Well I could agree with that. I was referring more to the early roman empire which actually was the largest part of their existance. They were fascist in the way that any country from the 16th or 17th centry onwards was, in that their country had a great deal of freedom on the expense of a bunch of other countries. The rich had the power, but since the rich always had the power and still do that's sort of a silly tangent.

There wasn't much like communism because quite frankly the rich and powerfull didn't give a f*ck about lower people and also didn't say they did. (which is usually the case with communism.)


I don't know anything about romulans.

[jonesthecurl]

... What would Tribles be then?

...

The first sign of the coming Tribbleations.

[mpjh]

fuzzy tibbleations