GM (Government Motors)

[pimpdave]

By the way, does anyone listen to Rush Limbaugh?

[Snorri1234]

Furthermore, it's incredibly unpatriotic of you do be questioning the president's actions when he needs cooperation the most, I feel dissent such as this is what's keeping us in a crisis, and it shouldn't be tolerated or allowed.

lol, wut?

Isn't that what people said with the last president?

[InkL0sed]

It would have been better if the gov didnt try and help our econ because it obviously not gona work in the long run. Just look at FDR, the New Deal Agencies worked for a little while but eventually the money ran out and the only thing that saved us from going deeper into depression is WW2. What shouldnt be tolerated or allowed is a government hand in controlling private business.

What do you think WW2 was? That's right - the greatest deficit spending in American history. Ie, GOVERNMENT STIMULUS.

Point is that his New Deal wasn't the thing that bolstered our economy out of the Great Depression, It was the war which FDR tried to stay out of. (Im not saying trying to stay out of of the war was bad)




Sorry for the Triple Post.

We spent more money in WW2 than the New Deal. You can argue the New Deal failed (though I think it didn't), but the reason why it didn't pull us completely out of the depression is that we didn't spend enough.

[F1fth]

Sorry I miss-spoke on that little fun fact part. I mean to say he is the President who has spent the most money so far in this short amount of time compared to all of our other presidents.

He is embracing the economic theory of Keyneism which FDR also embraced but his goals like Obama's were to short termed.

Yes, misspoke indeed. And what's more, the correction is an irrelevant comparison. Of course he spent more money -- inflation has lowered the value of the dollar. If you want an accurate comparison, try:
[bigimg]http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t158/shade1130/National-Debt-GDP-L.gif[/bigimg]

And as a brief aside, I call bullshit on FDR trying to keep us out of the war. He said he would to get elected because the US was vehemently isolationist, but if you look at his actions, (as many critics of him did; I repeat: critics), you would see that he did pretty much all he could to get us involved.

[Nobunaga]

... Obama is basing the "takeover" of GM on the Constitutional Commerce Clause, though the action taken is entirely unconstitutional.

... The Constitution does not spell out government's role by detailing what it cannot do, rather, the role of government is limited to that which is expressly spelled out. Anything beyond that is left to the states, through the 10th Amendment.

... But hell, it's just a piece of paper some long-dead white guys wrote a long time ago. What the hell did they know?

...

[Fire Mario]

Liberals don't base their policies on the constitution. They base them on their beliefs of large government.

[pimpdave]

Liberals don't base their policies on the constitution. They base them on their beliefs of large government.

And all conservatives make wild generalizations! So there!

[Japs]

Point is that the New Deal didnt help us get out of the depression and there is no evidence that if it continued it would of, logic tells us that it in fact would take us worse into depression. The fact is that WW2 saved our econ.

[Snorri1234]

Liberals don't base their policies on the constitution. They base them on their beliefs of large government.

And all conservatives make wild generalizations! So there!

[Nobunaga]

... This is interesting.

... As part of the "Bankruptcy-Bailout" GM must agree to stop production of 11 models.

... GM makes a profit on 20 models, all told. Those 11 GM will be made to axe are among those profit-making twenty.

... Goodbye Hummer (never cared for those). I love government intervention. I wonder if HotWheels will be made to cease production as well. Makes sense... we don't want our kids growing up with ideas so dangerous to our beloved Mother Earth.

... What's the mpg on a Volt?

.. <edit> ... GM's largest single problem, in my opinion, is the failure of the company to manufacture cars wanted by many people. Also, quality issues plague GM, as they have for decades. The Volt will never compare to the Japanese versions of similar cars. Also, as with any GM vehicle, once you get up to and over 100,000 miles you're risking breakdown every time to fire up the engine. My last Honda died at 212,000. My friend's Toyota (a 90) is at 226,000 (though I don't trust it now).

...

[Pedronicus]

Seeing as how i've never been to America and do not know their car model names, could someone please give me some GM models that have retained the same name, and have had 4-5 new versions, made over the last 10-15 years?

I once looked on wiki at the evolution of the Ford Thunderbird and the styling started off cool and evolved into an ugly piece of shit, then only recently did ford try to make a model that looked like the original.

When ever I've seen American tv programmes like X files for example, I've been horrified by the piss poor design of the cars.

European models in the ford range have been good looking cars for as long as i've been alive, and only recently have the likes of peugeot, renault, citroen & & GM's european arm (opel/vauxhall) been able to match ford in the looks dept. 20 years ago car made by these firms looked shit, whereas Ford had a massive slice of the market.

[PLAYER57832]

Seeing as how i've never been to America and do not know their car model names, could someone please give me some GM models that have retained the same name, and have had 4-5 new versions, made over the last 10-15 years?

I once looked on wiki at the evolution of the Ford Thunderbird and the styling started off cool and evolved into an ugly piece of shit, then only recently did ford try to make a model that looked like the original.

When ever I've seen American tv programmes like X files for example, I've been horrified by the piss poor design of the cars.

European models in the ford range have been good looking cars for as long as i've been alive, and only recently have the likes of peugeot, renault, citroen & & GM's european arm (opel/vauxhall) been able to match ford in the looks dept. 20 years ago car made by these firms looked shit, whereas Ford had a massive slice of the market.

S-10, F-150, etc.

[Juan_Bottom]

Seeing as how i've never been to America and do not know their car model names, could someone please give me some GM models that have retained the same name,

Interesting fact, the big three (Chrysler, Ford, GM) are infamous for rebadging (new names-even brands) new cars. Even vehicles made with the same plant often get re-named. So it's a tough question.
In fact, some models such as the Chevrolet Impala will get discontinued... only to pop up again years later.
A recent example of a turn arounf though was when Ford decided to stop producing the Taurus, and replace it with the Ford 500. Later realizing that brand recognition was important, they renamed the 500 "the all-new Ford Taurus."

Should be a long list though, even off the top of my head....
Chevrolet Corvette
Chevy Blazer
Chevy Monte Carlo
Chevy Nova
Chevy Cavalier
Chevy Malibu
Chevy Impala
Chevy Suburban
Chevy Silverado
Chevy Camaro (styling was always nice, but they ran into a problem when it cost more to insure these cars than it did to make your monthly payment for them...)


Pontiac Grand Prix
Pontiac Grand Am
Pontiac GTO
Pontiac Bonneville
Pontiac Sunfire
Pontiac Trans AM
Pontiac Firebird

(Discontinued badge in '04)
Oldsmobile Cutless
Olds F-85(50s-60s)
Olds Vista Cruiser(60s-70s)
Olds Toronado
Olds Custom Cruiser
Olds Omega
Olds 98 & 88


Buick LeSabre
Buick Regal
Buick Park Avenue
Buick Electra
Buick Skylark
Buick Century
Buick Estate
Buick Reatta
Buick Riviera
Buick Roadmaster
Buick Skyhawk

Cadillac DeVille
Cadillac Brougham
Cadillac Eldorado
Cadillac Fleetwood
Cadillac Sixty
Cadillac Catera
Cadillac Coupe De Ville
Cadillac Seville

Here are some wiki links for you too. Bet none of you knew that I am a car guy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadillac
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontiac
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buick

Defunct brands Acadian (1962–1971) · Asüna (1992–1995) · Beaumont (1966–1969) · Bedford Vehicles (1930–1986) · Geo (1989–1997) · LaSalle (1927–1940) · Marquette (1929–1930) · McLaughlin automobile · Oakland (1907–1931) · Oldsmobile (1897–2004) · Passport (1988–1991) · Ranger (1968–1976) · Scripps-Booth (1913–1923) · Statesman (1971–1984) · Viking (1929–1931) · Yellow Coach (1925–1943)
Soon you can add Hummer, Saturn, Pontiac and maybe even more!!!!

S-10, F-150, etc.

Their trucks never looked bad. The S-10 however, is a pile of crap, which was replaced by the Colorado... an even bigger pile of crap. Trouble with the S-10 is that the steering and suspension wear out increadably fast. Every time you replace the tires you need new ball joints and shocks(dampeners) too. Trouble with the Colorado is that it is 0 fun to drive. And again, plauged with production problems.

[jonesthecurl]

I can't tell one car from another anyway.

[Pedronicus]

thanks jonesy

one name that leapt out at me was the cavalier (i used to have 2 of them)

here is a 1991 model from usa


a 1991 model from europe (This thing sold by the bucket load)


American cars from the 70's 80's and 90's were ugly. no wonder japanese and german cars stole sales from GM.

[captain.crazy]

Liberals don't base their policies on the constitution. They base them on their beliefs of large government.

And all conservatives make wild generalizations! So there!

look at the sheeple fight... how abusing.

[Juan_Bottom]

thanks juansey you're amazing and I wish that I could be more like you.

There, I fixed it. Gotta give credit where credit is due. Thank the bank for the money thank God for you.

here is a 1991 model from usa

a 1991 model from europe (This thing sold by the bucket load)

I like them both, though the style is very differen't. The European one looks like an early 90s Japanese import. Huh... They are differen't model comparisons anyway since the pictures show a 2door and a 4door. But look at all that glass on the 4 door. No excuse for hitting your neighbors dog there...

The Cavalier also sold pretty well in the USA, until being replaced by the Chevrolet Cobalt. I know the Cobalt was designed to catch the eye of the California tuner crowd, but I still wonder why they ditched the name "Cavalier." That name has been around for 40 years. Is it still called the Cavalier in Europe?
I wonder if the name just became too associated with "crap for parts."

American cars from the 70's 80's and 90's were ugly. no wonder japanese and german cars stole sales from GM.

They also fell apart after 100,000 miles. And they re-named cars waaaaay to fast. Ladies and even a fair share of men(overgeneralization I know) know crap about cars. Names are about all that they know. So they'll go to a dealer looking for the same car their dad had, or they themselves had only to find there isn't one anymore. So they'll go shop around... Wearas the imports all stayed true to their badges. Some for well over 20 years now.
Now after 1971 government enviromental laws made manufacturing cars the same way (as before '71) nearly impossable(the death of the muscle car). New models had to be cleaner, and safer to drive. So car manufactures had to sell cars based only on style... No longer could they sell a vehicle by it's power, or speed; because they had neither. Anyway, most of this "styling" hasn't aged well. You should really look at some of their gimmicks. Chrysler had a "talking car." "TURNING LEFT, LEFT, LEFT, LEFT, LEFT, LEFT, LEFT"
Oh, but I loved American styling from '20s-72! Especially the 40s thru the late 60s! And I'm sorry, there really is NO excuse for the 80s cars and trucks. Unless you're Japanese... No comment on the 90s.

[mpjh]

TOYOTA
Turning Over Your Overseers To Alabama

[Dancing Mustard]

Liberals don't base their policies on the constitution. They base them on their beliefs of large government.

And all conservatives make wild generalizations! So there!

look at the sheeple fight... how abusing.

I abused your mother in bed last night.

Or do I mean 'amuse'?


Yes. Yes I do.

Anyway, return to whatever it is that you were doing, I just popped by to point out spelling errors.

Love and love and love and hugs.
DM

[captain.crazy]

Liberals don't base their policies on the constitution. They base them on their beliefs of large government.

And all conservatives make wild generalizations! So there!

look at the sheeple fight... how abusing.

I abused your mother in bed last night.

Or do I mean 'amuse'?


Yes. Yes I do.

Anyway, return to whatever it is that you were doing, I just popped by to point out spelling errors.

Love and love and love and hugs.
DM

I meant to say abusing. it was a play on words. Glad you got it though.

[Dancing Mustard]

No you didn't, that's just what the government of reptoid-communists want you to think.



Sheeple.

[HapSmo19]

Chevy Camaro (styling was always nice, but they ran into a problem when it cost more to insure these cars than it did to make your monthly payment for them...)

Hmmm. Before my 3rd DUI, I had full-coverage on my Z28 and truck for about $90 a month.

[Juan_Bottom]

Chevy Camaro (styling was always nice, but they ran into a problem when it cost more to insure these cars than it did to make your monthly payment for them...)

Hmmm. Before my 3rd DUI, I had full-coverage on my Z28 and truck for about $90 a month.

Hmmm... well that was what I read in Motor Trend anyway.