World War 1

[Kingdroid]

The American soldiers were the reason Germany was defeated. However the American showed up with cavalry and "old school" tactics that the British and French had to tell the US that those were no longer useful tactics. THe US had no concept of trench warfare, combined arms assaults etc..it was sheer manpower.

I will edit this with the book that references it. I think it is called The Myth of the Great War, how the Germans won the battles and the Americans saved the Allies.

loltrenchwarfare

the best way to achieve a stalemate

[Martin Ronne]

On June 28 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, Heir to the Austro-Hungarian Empire and his wife Sophie, Duchess of Hohenberg, were assassinated by a Bosnian-Serb named Gavrilo Princip. The goal of the assassination was to break Austro-Hungarian control on the southern Slav provinces and create a Greater Serbia, or Yugoslavia.

After this The Austro-Hungarian Empire declared war on Czechoslovakia, prompting Russia at the time still a monarchy, to join the Czechs and declare war on Austria. Germany, also a monarchy at the time, then joined on the side of Austria, (duh). Now France had a pact with Russia and joined with them. This gave Germany the oppertunity that they had been waiting for. The decided to use the von Schlieffen plan, which was to invade France via lightly fortified Belgium. However this plan had a draw back, for while the Germans did succeed in invading france, by invadeing Belgium, they involved britain in the war.

I'll be on with more.

[Frigidus]

The American soldiers were the reason Germany was defeated. However the American showed up with cavalry and "old school" tactics that the British and French had to tell the US that those were no longer useful tactics. THe US had no concept of trench warfare, combined arms assaults etc..it was sheer manpower.

I will edit this with the book that references it. I think it is called The Myth of the Great War, how the Germans won the battles and the Americans saved the Allies.

loltrenchwarfare

the best way to achieve a stalemate

Trench warfare does a great job of killing a lot of people quickly.

[muy_thaiguy]

The American soldiers were the reason Germany was defeated. However the American showed up with cavalry and "old school" tactics that the British and French had to tell the US that those were no longer useful tactics. THe US had no concept of trench warfare, combined arms assaults etc..it was sheer manpower.

I will edit this with the book that references it. I think it is called The Myth of the Great War, how the Germans won the battles and the Americans saved the Allies.

I believe that there were a regiment of US troops (Marines I believe) that used their skill as sharp shooters and took out German officers at such a far enough away that no one heard their firing.

[jbrettlip]

Also the book Silent Night, The story of the Christmas truce is a great book about just that. And it wasn't just once, in one isolated area. It would continue on for days, all along the lines and more than once. The book contains many letters from soldiers on both sides, discussing what they had done, etc.

Can you tell I love WW1 history? I am just not able to regurgitate, facts, figures and names as well as others.

[MeDeFe]

Kaiser Wilhelm was an idiot who should've listened to Bismarck.

Sounds like someone's bitter.

Who's bitter?

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[Qwert]

After this The Austro-Hungarian Empire declared war on Czechoslovakia, prompting Russia at the time still a monarchy, to join the Czechs and declare war on Austria. Germany, also a monarchy at the time, then joined on the side of Austria, (duh). Now France had a pact with Russia and joined with them. This gave Germany the oppertunity that they had been waiting for. The decided to use the von Schlieffen plan, which was to invade France via lightly fortified Belgium. However this plan had a draw back, for while the Germans did succeed in invading france, by invadeing Belgium, they involved britain in the war.

I'll be on with more.

These is example how people dont know.
Chehoslowakia is a part of Austro Hungarian empire.
War is start when Serbia refused AustroHungarian Ultimatum after assasination of Franc Ferdinand(heir of Monarchy). Then Austro Hungaria Attack Serbia. Next few days its Chain reaction of Declarations of war.
First Victory for Allied whas Serbian vin against AutroHUngarian. They Kick Autria in hes attempt to conquer Serbia with over 400000 loses. Then with big Help of German and Bulgarian Army Austria Conquer Serbia,but they not manage to destroy Serbian army who escape from Albania to Greece.
After that he refresh and move to new Thesalonika Front, and in 1918 kick Bulgarian Army out of war.
Do you need more informacions.(i spend some period in research when im create Europe 1914 map)

[Martin Ronne]

After this The Austro-Hungarian Empire declared war on Czechoslovakia, prompting Russia at the time still a monarchy, to join the Czechs and declare war on Austria. Germany, also a monarchy at the time, then joined on the side of Austria, (duh). Now France had a pact with Russia and joined with them. This gave Germany the oppertunity that they had been waiting for. The decided to use the von Schlieffen plan, which was to invade France via lightly fortified Belgium. However this plan had a draw back, for while the Germans did succeed in invading france, by invadeing Belgium, they involved britain in the war.

I'll be on with more.

These is example how people dont know.
Chehoslowakia is a part of Austro Hungarian empire.
War is start when Serbia refused AustroHungarian Ultimatum after assasination of Franc Ferdinand(heir of Monarchy). Then Austro Hungaria Attack Serbia. Next few days its Chain reaction of Declarations of war.
First Victory for Allied whas Serbian vin against AutroHUngarian. They Kick Autria in hes attempt to conquer Serbia with over 400000 loses. Then with big Help of German and Bulgarian Army Austria Conquer Serbia,but they not manage to destroy Serbian army who escape from Albania to Greece.
After that he refresh and move to new Thesalonika Front, and in 1918 kick Bulgarian Army out of war.
Do you need more informacions.(i spend some period in research when im create Europe 1914 map)

Not all of Czechoslovakia was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, thank you very much!

[PLAYER57832]

One thing my grandmother told me over and over ... that entire region has essentially been at war for a couple thousand years. You will find plenty of folks who will give all versions. THAT is part of the problem. Its almost as contentious as the Middle East. Or, rather as contentious, just settled down a bit more in recent times.

[Martin Ronne]

One thing my grandmother told me over and over ... that entire region has essentially been at war for a couple thousand years. You will find plenty of folks who will give all versions. THAT is part of the problem. Its almost as contentious as the Middle East. Or, rather as contentious, just settled down a bit more in recent times.

Well it's like someone once said to Hiram Maxim, "If you want to make a lot of money, create a weapon which will allow the Europeans to slit each others with greater facility."

[muy_thaiguy]

One thing my grandmother told me over and over ... that entire region has essentially been at war for a couple thousand years. You will find plenty of folks who will give all versions. THAT is part of the problem. Its almost as contentious as the Middle East. Or, rather as contentious, just settled down a bit more in recent times.

Well it's like someone once said to Hiram Maxim, "If you want to make a lot of money, create a weapon which will allow the Europeans to slit each others with greater facility."

And thus the machine gun was invented and sold to all of the European countries.

[Qwert]

After this The Austro-Hungarian Empire declared war on Czechoslovakia

These need a deep explanation?

Not all of Czechoslovakia was part of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, thank you very much!

Ok, what part of chechoslovakie,not bee a part of Austro Hungarian empire?

[Snorri1234]

Yeah.


Go watch Blackadder goes Forth.

[cutebastard71]

The actual timeline of what was going on in July 1914 is very well presented here. You can read it and form an opinion on your own.

http://web.jjay.cuny.edu/~jobrien/refer ... y1914.html

But that will not answer the question who made big bucks out of that war? Also was League of Nations first attempt of world government or not? Was it a spontaneous thing or planned ? All of us will have different answers to these questions

From what is written German Kaiser Wilhelm was not so keen on fighting once he realized France and Russia would not stand aside. There was a documentary (I actually have it somewhere on DVD) on PBS in which the authors claimed that he actually sent telegram from his Norway cruise asking Franz Joseph not to declare war. Of course there was a statement before that in which he supported A-H but as far as I understand it it was BEFORE he realized that England, France, and Russia will intervene.

[Juan_Bottom]

Actually, WWI contained one of the most compelling arguments for the good in humanity, the Christmas Truce. I can't believe I hadn't heard about this until late in high school, it made me feel warm inside.

to continue with that, read about fighter pilots. Knights of the air, they were.

[jbrettlip]

OK if any of you want to read:

1) Guns of August Barbara Tuchman (whole story of WW1)
2) Silent Night Stanley Weintraub (Christmas truce)
3)A Storm in Flanders Winston Groom (trench warfare and weapon development
4) The Myth of the Great War JOhn Mossier (basically how unlucky the Germans were, since they really should have won).

[dhallmeyer]

World Crisis by Winston Churchill

[GabonX]

If the Germans had of beaten all of Europe without American assistance, the world today would be a very different place.
I highly doubt America would be a super power.

As near as I can tell your argument here is that you think the world would be a better place if Nazi Germany had become the dominant world power as opposed to the United States.

The Jewish bankers that have brought us all to our knees today, wouldn't be here, and all that technology that Russia and America spirited away from Germany (intercontinental missiles and rockets etc.) would be in the hands of Germany still.

in hindsight - maybe killing jews was a good idea. Bankers have fucked all of us over.

Wow, you sound like a German in 1939. It looks like you got a pass on what is pretty flagrant racism but if history has taught us anything, it's that nobody stands up for the jews aside from themselves.

For the record, the current economic crisis is a direct result of policies put in place under Bill Clinton's administration which obligated banks to give loans to people who had no way of paying them back. It was a push towards socialism which got the world into the mess it's in. Then again, Clinton did have that old jew Allen Greenspan working for him, so...

England wouldn't of repaid the cash owed to America for all the stuff you sold us when we were still able to take the fight to the Germans. In a size.

England never did get around to repaying that debt. I'm not sure that any of the countries involved in lend lease did but England certainly didn't. Given their current status it's unlikely that they ever will.

Gosh darn those pesky little historical details that get in the way of jading ideology!

[PLAYER57832]

If the Germans had of beaten all of Europe without American assistance, the world today would be a very different place.
I highly doubt America would be a super power.

As near as I can tell your argument here is that you think the world would be a better place if Nazi Germany had become the dominant world power as opposed to the United States.

The Jewish bankers that have brought us all to our knees today, wouldn't be here, and all that technology that Russia and America spirited away from Germany (intercontinental missiles and rockets etc.) would be in the hands of Germany still.

in hindsight - maybe killing jews was a good idea. Bankers have fucked all of us over.

Wow, you sound like a German in 1939. It looks like you got a pass on what is pretty flagrant racism but if history has taught us anything, it's that nobody stands up for the jews aside from themselves.

Or it could be that nobody bothered to read it through well enough to catch this idiocy.

For the record, the current economic crisis is a direct result of policies put in place under Bill Clinton's administration which obligated banks to give loans to people who had no way of paying them back. It was a push towards socialism which got the world into the mess it's in.

Not even close.

The problem came because banks were allowed to sell garbage loans that they made knowing they were garbage to other banks who then sold them to people who thought they were insured. The rating agencies further gave this garbage AAA ratings because they were hired by the very banks they were rating. It actually worked as long as prices kept rising. When mortgage prices began to fall... the whole system almost collapsed (some would say it IS collapsing).

Everyone who owned these supposedly insured securities was left holding air.

Oh, and regulations passed during the old S & L crisis were relaxed or simply not expanded to cover new products.

[nmhunate]

If you want to learn about WW1 or WW2, buy a book. asking for people in here to give you a history lesson won't further your accurate knowledge of the subject.

We will however, be glad to post utter rubbish.

WW1
London was bombed by germans in Zepplins
England invented the tank during the war
running at enemy trenches with fixed bayonents is a bad idea when the other side have machine guns
Parachutes had been invented, but pilots weren't allowed them.

WW2
Americans love to tell Europeans that they saved us from the Germans.
Americans who tell Europeans that they saved us from the Germans aren't aware how close the Germans were to creating a flying wing bomber (very similar to the B2) that could fly to New York and back, and drop the Atomic bomb (that Germany was very close to achieving)

Ummm... Germany was no where near developing the bomb. Sure they had the theory worked out fine, but they had no uranium, let alone the U235 nor a stable atomic pile to create plutonium to create an actual bomb

[jbrettlip]

DOn't forget, all their factories were gone as well.

Wait, let me correct that: THe German's were NOWHERE near developing the atomic bomb in WW1, which is what this topic is about. Not Clinton, not bank bailouts, not the war in Iraq, not the fact that Obama is a communist...there are many threads around this forum for those discussions.

[PLAYER57832]

DOn't forget, all their factories were gone as well.

Wait, let me correct that: THe German's were NOWHERE near developing the atomic bomb in WW1, which is what this topic is about. Not Clinton, not bank bailouts, not the war in Iraq, not the fact that Obama is a communist...there are many threads around this forum for those discussions.

Uh -- I believe the atomic bomb was WWII, not WWI??? So this whole bit is off topic.

WWI saw the introduction of chemical warfare, originally supposed to be not only effective, but "humane"... preserving property and killing only soldiers (leaving the infrastructure for civilians). Instead, it resulted in deaths so horrific it is said to have scarred the generation.

[jbrettlip]

DOn't forget, all their factories were gone as well.

Wait, let me correct that: THe German's were NOWHERE near developing the atomic bomb in WW1, which is what this topic is about. Not Clinton, not bank bailouts, not the war in Iraq, not the fact that Obama is a communist...there are many threads around this forum for those discussions.

Uh -- I believe the atomic bomb was WWII, not WWI??? So this whole bit is off topic.

WWI saw the introduction of chemical warfare, originally supposed to be not only effective, but "humane"... preserving property and killing only soldiers (leaving the infrastructure for civilians). Instead, it resulted in deaths so horrific it is said to have scarred the generation.

You really have a way of restating EXACTLY what I said.

[MeDeFe]

I don't think anyone claimed the a-bomb was about to be developed in WW1, I'm pretty sure there was a distinct heading that looked something like "WWII".

[jbrettlip]

If the Germans had of beaten all of Europe without American assistance, the world today would be a very different place.
I highly doubt America would be a super power.

As near as I can tell your argument here is that you think the world would be a better place if Nazi Germany had become the dominant world power as opposed to the United States.

The Jewish bankers that have brought us all to our knees today, wouldn't be here, and all that technology that Russia and America spirited away from Germany (intercontinental missiles and rockets etc.) would be in the hands of Germany still.

in hindsight - maybe killing jews was a good idea. Bankers have fucked all of us over.

Wow, you sound like a German in 1939. It looks like you got a pass on what is pretty flagrant racism but if history has taught us anything, it's that nobody stands up for the jews aside from themselves.

Or it could be that nobody bothered to read it through well enough to catch this idiocy.

For the record, the current economic crisis is a direct result of policies put in place under Bill Clinton's administration which obligated banks to give loans to people who had no way of paying them back. It was a push towards socialism which got the world into the mess it's in.

Not even close.

The problem came because banks were allowed to sell garbage loans that they made knowing they were garbage to other banks who then sold them to people who thought they were insured. The rating agencies further gave this garbage AAA ratings because they were hired by the very banks they were rating. It actually worked as long as prices kept rising. When mortgage prices began to fall... the whole system almost collapsed (some would say it IS collapsing).

Everyone who owned these supposedly insured securities was left holding air.

Oh, and regulations passed during the old S & L crisis were relaxed or simply not expanded to cover new products.

Yeah, you were really on topic of WW1 with this post.