forced to be an athiest???? or is it ok????

targetman377 · Post by **targetman377** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:33 am

Alright lets get this down from the very start i have no problem with you and this is NOT a desccioion on GOD and if he is there or not. This is how i presive you tell me if i am wrong in this line of thinking. Frist and formost i am a Roman Cathilic who does not go to church that often. i do belive in a God and that would be the god i belive in ok. So now you know where i am coming from ok.

latly there has been a whole lot of disscion about God in our everday life for example plege of alligaince, money, and even Obama's take that back recent presidential swearings in where at the end they say somthing like so help me God or somthing in way of God. it also comes up in taking the stand you swear in on a Bible. all realious stuff ok.

Now here is my problem with the term athiest people associated it with some one with out religion!!!!! now what is a realigon to me it is a belif in somthing no matter what that belif is and is held with some extendent by others. meaning they have the same core belifs.

now alot of people say that we should not say god or force anyone to say that or get god off our money or teach cereationsim because it would be forcing a religon on people right!!!! Wait hold the phone ATHIEST IS A REALIGON it is a belif that GOD dose not exsist. they might not meet in a church mosk or snygog (Sorry bad speller forgive me) and by forcing us to stop us from exsersing our freedom realigion You Athiest seem to be forcing us to become like you. WHAT DO you athiest think of this?????? i was just wondering

Nickbaldwin · Post by **Nickbaldwin** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 11:55 am

I think you're an illiterate cunt.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:03 pm

targetman377 wrote:ATHIEST IS A REALIGON it is a belif that GOD dose not exsist. they might not meet in a church mosk or snygog (Sorry bad speller forgive me) and by forcing us to stop us from exsersing our freedom realigion You Athiest seem to be forcing us to become like you. WHAT DO you athiest think of this?????? i was just wondering

I am wondering why you didn't take your medication this morning.

targetman377 · Post by **targetman377** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:30 pm

Backglass wrote:
targetman377 wrote:ATHIEST IS A REALIGON it is a belif that GOD dose not exsist. they might not meet in a church mosk or snygog (Sorry bad speller forgive me) and by forcing us to stop us from exsersing our freedom realigion You Athiest seem to be forcing us to become like you. WHAT DO you athiest think of this?????? i was just wondering

I am wondering why you didn't take your medication this morning.

no really there is no proof god is there or is not there so people claiming to be athist belive that there is no god why should we treat them any differnt than realigoin why should i put down my realigion? its not like i am forcing them to do the same and if that was the case they would call faul?

MeDeFe · Post by **MeDeFe** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:35 pm

Capitalisation.
Punctuation.
The comma is a friendly character and run-on sentences are the enemy of sanity.

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 12:39 pm

Target, you might want to move off the Prozac, there is better stuff out there now. See you doctor.

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 1:02 pm

Here, let me help.

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Just throw those in anywhere.

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 3:54 pm

I was going to be a dick about the semi-english you used, but everyone else already took care of that. I guess I'll respond seriously.

forcing us to stop us from exsersing our freedom realigion

Who said anything about excising religion? Or freedom? I don't...oh...oh, exercising.

But seriously, you can be as religious as you want...assuming you don't bring your religion into the public sphere. Putting "God" on money is an example of this. Personally I don't really give a damn. I never really thought about the "under God" bit of the Pledge, for example. Hell, I never thought about it at all. It was drilled into my head since kindergarten. Even when I was old enough to notice, I just skipped that phrase. But, I'm not sure why you'd particularly care that your god isn't explicitly given the nod in everything involving our government...how does starting to drift from that impede on you practicing your religion?

ATHIEST IS A REALIGON it is a belif that GOD dose not exsist

My parents, although both fairly religious in their own ways, never really talked to me about any gods. I was apparently baptized as a baby, but I obviously don't remember that. Indeed, I wasn't even aware I was an "athiest" until I was in Junior High. I remember my friends asking me where I went to church when I was little. I had no idea what they were talking about. My point is, during the first decade of my life I had no concept of "god". I heard the word sometimes, in the pledge for example, but as a kid it meant about as much to me as "indivisible" (that is, nothing).

Was I in a religion as a kid? Even though I had no opinions on the matter? Did I suddenly have a religion when I heard about the gods of ancient Egypt (no joke, those were explained to me in depth before the Christian God) and didn't immediately buy into them? At what point does a lack of belief in something become a religion?

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 4:43 pm

Frigidus wrote:I was going to be a dick about the semi-english you used, but everyone else already took care of that. I guess I'll respond seriously.

You are assuming he reads better than he writes. :lol:

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:03 pm

Backglass wrote:
Frigidus wrote:I was going to be a dick about the semi-english you used, but everyone else already took care of that. I guess I'll respond seriously.

You are assuming he reads better than he writes.

I figure my arguments will have about as much of an impact on him that it does on literate people who hold the same opinions as him...so I had low hopes to begin with.

Juan_Bottom · Post by **Juan_Bottom** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:07 pm

Frigidus wrote:
forcing us to stop us from exsersing our freedom realigion

Who said anything about xcising religion Or freedom. I don'toh oh xercising.

Butt sriously you can be as religius as you want you don' bring your religion into the public sphere. Putting God on money is an example of this. personally i don't really give a damn i never really thoguht about under God bit of the pledg example for. Hell i never hought about it at all it was drlled into my head since cindergarten. Even when i was old enough to noitce i just skipped that phrase. But im not sure why youd particulurly care that your god isnt xplicitly giveng the nod in everything innvolving our goverment how does starting to drfit from that impede on you practiseng your religion?

ATHIEST IS A REALIGON it is a belif that GOD dose not exsist

My parents although both fairly religius in their own ways never really talked to me about any gods I was apparently bapptized as a baby but e obvously don't remember that. indeed i wasnt even aware i was an athiest until i was in junior high. i rememmber my firends asking me where i wewnt to church when i was little i had no idea what they were talking about. My pointt is during the first decaide of my life i had no concept of god. i heard the word somtimes in the pleedge for example but as a kid it meant about as much to me as inndevisable that is nothing.

Was i in a realigion as a kide? Even though i had no oppoinions on the matter? Did i suddenly have a religioen when i heard about the gods of ancient Eggipt (no joke those were exsplained to me in depth before the Christian God) and didnt immeadiatly buy into htem? At what point does a lack of belief in something become a religieon?

Fixed it for you Frigidus so now "everyone" can understand your reasoned and well-thought response.
ifxed it 4 you Firgadoes os now evray1 cen udnerstaind youre reason and respons.

targetman377 haven't I seen you around here? How old are you sir? I don't think you're a troll, more that you are just learning who you are.

Frigidus wrote:(no joke, those were explained to me in depth before the Christian God)

At his feet! On my knees! By Paul! As Yaweh looked on!

Frigidus · Post by **Frigidus** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:13 pm

Tanks Jaunlol! I Sumthymes habe trubble spellunking stufflol! gl hf.

LYR · Post by **LYR** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 5:18 pm

targetman377 wrote:Alright lets get this down from the very start i have no problem with you and this is NOT a desccioion on GOD and if he is there or not. This is how i presive you tell me if i am wrong in this line of thinking. Frist and formost i am a Roman Cathilic who does not go to church that often. i do belive in a God and that would be the god i belive in ok. So now you know where i am coming from ok.

latly there has been a whole lot of disscion about God in our everday life for example plege of alligaince, money, and even Obama's take that back recent presidential swearings in where at the end they say somthing like so help me God or somthing in way of God. it also comes up in taking the stand you swear in on a Bible. all realious stuff ok.

Now here is my problem with the term athiest people associated it with some one with out religion!!!!! now what is a realigon to me it is a belif in somthing no matter what that belif is and is held with some extendent by others. meaning they have the same core belifs.

now alot of people say that we should not say god or force anyone to say that or get god off our money or teach cereationsim because it would be forcing a religon on people right!!!! Wait hold the phone ATHIEST IS A REALIGON it is a belif that GOD dose not exsist. they might not meet in a church mosk or snygog (Sorry bad speller forgive me) and by forcing us to stop us from exsersing our freedom realigion You Athiest seem to be forcing us to become like you. WHAT DO you athiest think of this?????? i was just wondering

Did you move to the United States from a foreign country? If so, I can excuse your HORRIBLE spelling and grammar. If not... well, I don't know what to say. Maybe you live in the south? Seriously, I can hardly read your post at all.

targetman377 · Post by **targetman377** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:02 pm

Frigidus wrote:I was going to be a dick about the semi-english you used, but everyone else already took care of that. I guess I'll respond seriously.

forcing us to stop us from exsersing our freedom realigion

Who said anything about excising religion? Or freedom? I don't...oh...oh, exercising.

But seriously, you can be as religious as you want...assuming you don't bring your religion into the public sphere. Putting "God" on money is an example of this. Personally I don't really give a damn. I never really thought about the "under God" bit of the Pledge, for example. Hell, I never thought about it at all. It was drilled into my head since kindergarten. Even when I was old enough to notice, I just skipped that phrase. But, I'm not sure why you'd particularly care that your god isn't explicitly given the nod in everything involving our government...how does starting to drift from that impede on you practicing your religion?

ATHIEST IS A REALIGON it is a belif that GOD dose not exsist

My parents, although both fairly religious in their own ways, never really talked to me about any gods. I was apparently baptized as a baby, but I obviously don't remember that. Indeed, I wasn't even aware I was an "athiest" until I was in Junior High. I remember my friends asking me where I went to church when I was little. I had no idea what they were talking about. My point is, during the first decade of my life I had no concept of "god". I heard the word sometimes, in the pledge for example, but as a kid it meant about as much to me as "indivisible" (that is, nothing).

Was I in a religion as a kid? Even though I had no opinions on the matter? Did I suddenly have a religion when I heard about the gods of ancient Egypt (no joke, those were explained to me in depth before the Christian God) and didn't immediately buy into them? At what point does a lack of belief in something become a religion?

ok i can see your point. about the shift from time. i guess i never looked at it this way before. i can tell that it has been this way for a long time i am just one that see tradition and i really hate change.

as for your response about that i would say since you were a kid you did not have a religion you had no belifs. ifyou are ignorent of any belifs than you turly dont have a religion than. but as soon as you understand what god is than you making a dessicion and making a belifs and once you hold your belifs that is when you get a religion does that make sense

Martin Ronne · Post by **Martin Ronne** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:19 pm

Backglass wrote:Here, let me help.

,.,.;;:''",,,.,..&?

Just throw those in anywhere.

wHY DO y'Ou güySES hav'''''''''''' two COME PLANE aboooooot his spelling and puctuation sew müch, try reading it for the content!

comic boy · Post by **comic boy** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:23 pm

This nonsense just baffles me, I have a belief that prime steak tastes better than cat food but that belief does not constitute a fucking religion

Backglass · Post by **Backglass** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:29 pm

comic boy wrote:This nonsense just baffles me, I have a belief that prime steak tastes better than cat food but that belief does not constitute a fucking religion

Agreed.

Don't make me get out the Leprechauns. :lol:

AAFitz · Post by **AAFitz** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 6:34 pm

atheist= person who does not believe in supernatural force, or god that controls universe

anyone who believes in a supernatural force or god, is not an atheist...

it is the belief that is fundamental to the word, not actions. I can fully guarantee you there are plenty of self-proclaimed holy men and women that are atheists, and plenty that call themselves atheists, that actually deep down inside, believe there is a god.

No one can be forced to be an atheist, without perhaps some sort of mind control/brain washing...but most brainwashing is typically done to convert people from atheism

targetman377 · Post by **targetman377** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:02 pm

AAFitz wrote:atheist= person who does not believe in supernatural force, or god that controls universe

anyone who believes in a supernatural force or god, is not an atheist...

it is the belief that is fundamental to the word, not actions. I can fully guarantee you there are plenty of self-proclaimed holy men and women that are atheists, and plenty that call themselves atheists, that actually deep down inside, believe there is a god.

No one can be forced to be an atheist, without perhaps some sort of mind control/brain washing...but most brainwashing is typically done to convert people from atheism

however would you still go along with the fact that sence it is a belif the government can not take it's side?

Kingdroid · Post by **Kingdroid** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:04 pm

I second that illiterate cunt motion

radiojake · Post by **radiojake** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:10 pm

targetman377 wrote:
AAFitz wrote:atheist= person who does not believe in supernatural force, or god that controls universe

anyone who believes in a supernatural force or god, is not an atheist...

it is the belief that is fundamental to the word, not actions. I can fully guarantee you there are plenty of self-proclaimed holy men and women that are atheists, and plenty that call themselves atheists, that actually deep down inside, believe there is a god.

No one can be forced to be an atheist, without perhaps some sort of mind control/brain washing...but most brainwashing is typically done to convert people from atheism

however would you still go along with the fact that sence it is a belif the government can not take it's side?

That doesn't make any sense.

Athiesm is the denouncement of any religion or god. It is, therefore, not a form of religion. Anyone who tries to imply otherwise is really clutching at straws

Juan_Bottom · Post by **Juan_Bottom** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:17 pm

I can barely follow what is going on here.

targetman377 wrote:however would you still go along with the fact that sence it is a belif the government can not take it's side?

"however, would you go along with the idea thatsince it is a belief then the government is free to take a side?"
Is that what you're saying?
I'll answer this first. Since I am now aware that you are not from America, rather some backwards country where you have no freedom. In the US of A it is against the law for the government to "take a side." You've probably never heard of such a thing, I know. You really should learn more about government + religion = hell. Feel free to ask us for more information, because I am certain that your government forbids books and websites on such matters.

Also, we here in Illinois do not swear on the bible. We raise our right hand and swear to tell the truth.

oVo · Post by **oVo** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:35 pm

Atheism is not a religion and no democratic government takes the side of atheists over christians, beyond not allowing any church the right to force feed it's opinions about the world on others.

You cannot force beliefs on an atheist or take them away from a person who prefers spiritual persuits. Presenting a horse with water doesn't mean it will drink and removing the water won't end it's thirst.

What ever your beliefs may be nobody can take away, because you carry those beliefs with you always. It is simply a question of your faith and not if you practice what you preach. Most religions are not based on the availability of a church to worship in or that all people must see things as you do. That is a generalised thought, since many Churches believe in absolutes that declare their way of devine recognition as the only way to find God's true forgiveness and would prefer for everyone to believe as they do.

mpjh · Post by **mpjh** » Wed Jan 28, 2009 8:58 pm

There is no content.

jonesthecurl · Post by **jonesthecurl** » Thu Jan 29, 2009 12:53 am

targetman377 wrote:
AAFitz wrote:atheist= person who does not believe in supernatural force, or god that controls universe

anyone who believes in a supernatural force or god, is not an atheist...

it is the belief that is fundamental to the word, not actions. I can fully guarantee you there are plenty of self-proclaimed holy men and women that are atheists, and plenty that call themselves atheists, that actually deep down inside, believe there is a god.

No one can be forced to be an atheist, without perhaps some sort of mind control/brain washing...but most brainwashing is typically done to convert people from atheism

however would you still go along with the fact that sence it is a belif the government can not take it's side?

Sure: but including specifically christian oaths in court, and on money, is taking sides.
I don't think anyone's suggested that the dollar bill include a note "BTW there is no god, suckerz". Just silence on the subject.
Nor has anyone suggested one should take Darwins's Origin of species in one's hand before giving testimony - just drop the bible.

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