Icepeak mafia [Town wins!]

[spaceghst44]

my question to LSU Tiger Josh, drake_259, Sierra_Leon, farside22 is why did you keep voting for spiesr when no one denied his claim?

my question to the people who did not vote: why not?

my question to all. who is still playing becuse only a handful of people are chiming in.

[pmchugh]

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Now Pmc if you know for fact mafia has a partner by all means let us know so we can lynch you.

It is impossible to have a one man mafia, that would be an SK. Mafia are a group not one individual thats how they work. If there is only one mafia in this game then there are actually no mafia in the game becuse you cant have just one if you know what I mean.

[spiesr]

Makes sense...

[Sierra_Leon]

Alright, after reading the first two days over again I've come to these conclusions:

- Spiesr and pmchugh are definitely not buddied with Nate. There's no way one of them is Mafia.
- Sam_levi_11, LSU Tiger Josh and farside22 are the people who fit the role of Nate's buddy best. Sam because he said Nate was scummy, but never voted him. Farside because he believed Nate's claim and voted Spiesr instead (but hey, I fall into that category too so I'll forgive you for that). LSU because, although he voted Nate at some point, he was not at all hesitant to remove his vote there and vote Spiesr instead. That, and LSU has been lurky lurky lurky. Plus, I ran across this quote, in which he actually appears to be given Nate advice on how to handle the pressure - could he really be advising his scumbuddy in plain public? I think so, yes. You can probably see where I'm going with this:

Vote LSU Tiger Josh


To answer spaceghst's question:

my question to LSU Tiger Josh, drake_259, Sierra_Leon, farside22 is why did you keep voting for spiesr when no one denied his claim?

He claimed a role that could confirm himself the next night. In my opinion that was worth the risk of not lynching him. If Nate had survived the night and claimed he got blocked or just got a result of someone not being mafia, I would have had no further objections lynching him. Spiesr on the other had claimed a doc-like role, a role that's not confirmable like a cop is. The fact that there is no counter-claim doesn't mean he's necessarily telling the truth. The real angel might not be willing to claim this early in the game, or there might not even be an angel role in this game. Also, putting the claims aside, spiesr's play has just been so scummy this game, it's off the scales.

[spaceghst44]

vote lsu tiger josh

lets up the pressure and see where this goes.

[farside22]

I need to do what Sierra did. I making note of those who voted against nate not including myself.
Sam_levi_11 and LSU Tiger Josh
I don't put Sierra on this list because everything I read and remember screamed townie to me.

[spiesr]

vote lsu tiger josh

lets up the pressure and see where this goes.

To let up on something usually means to reduce it?

[pmchugh]

vote lsu tiger josh

lets up the pressure and see where this goes.

To let up on something usually means to reduce it?

Yeah but upping the pressure means to increase it, as in rising the pressure. Let up and upping are cmpletely different.

[pmchugh]

I need to do what Sierra did. I making note of those who voted against nate not including myself.
Sam_levi_11 and LSU Tiger Josh
I don't put Sierra on this list because everything I read and remember screamed townie to me.

lmao, if its a tell for sam and LSU then why isnt it a tell for you and SL? Espicially when you look at the time we realised the deadline was imminant and then neither sam nor lsu were active but both you and SL were. You had a clear choice and chose to split the town and lessen or chances of a lynch.

Plus, I ran across this quote,

You forgot to actually quote it, did you mean this?

Nate right now you are definitely under a cloud of suspicion. I would suggest you get your claim going before you get lynched as I would put my vote on you, but don't want a replacement to hammer you without giving you a chance to defend yourself.

[farside22]

@PMC: Because as Sierra stated I too felt a cop as more informative and the angel claim a little bit hard to swallow. Are you really thinking there are 3 mafia in this set up. Because I get the feeling that is what you are alluding to. Can you explain how that is balanced if that is what you believe? Why a free pass on those who didn't post. Do you know for a fact they were not around? Don't you think scum are more likely not to show up so there is a mislynch then anything else?

[spaceghst44]

vote lsu tiger josh

lets up the pressure and see where this goes.

To let up on something usually means to reduce it?

let us up the pressure. there is a s in that word, sorry I forgot the ' oh god of composition.

[pmchugh]

@PMC: Because as Sierra stated I too felt a cop as more informative and the angel claim a little bit hard to swallow. Are you really thinking there are 3 mafia in this set up. Because I get the feeling that is what you are alluding to. Can you explain how that is balanced if that is what you believe? Why a free pass on those who didn't post. Do you know for a fact they were not around? Don't you think scum are more likely not to show up so there is a mislynch then anything else?

When did I say there were 3 mafia? I wasnt alluding to SL being scum as well. I was merely asking why you have double standards. Its ok for you and SL to not vote nate but it isnt for LSU and sam? That seems unfair. In other words why a free pass for you and SL?

[farside22]

@PMC: Because as Sierra stated I too felt a cop as more informative and the angel claim a little bit hard to swallow. Are you really thinking there are 3 mafia in this set up. Because I get the feeling that is what you are alluding to. Can you explain how that is balanced if that is what you believe? Why a free pass on those who didn't post. Do you know for a fact they were not around? Don't you think scum are more likely not to show up so there is a mislynch then anything else?

When did I say there were 3 mafia? I wasnt alluding to SL being scum as well. I was merely asking why you have double standards. Its ok for you and SL to not vote nate but it isnt for LSU and sam? That seems unfair. In other words why a free pass for you and SL?

What part of I got a townie read from SL did was missed. Seriously the girl (?) is scum hunting and making points better then others I noticed in the game. If you want to point to something scummy besides her lack of vote on Nate I'm all ears.

[spiesr]

Are you really thinking there are 3 mafia in this set up. Because I get the feeling that is what you are alluding to.

I believe that pmc thought that you were saying that the mafia member never had a partner, not that he doesn't have a living one now. I think you both believe that there are 2 mafia members, and I agree with you on that.

[Sierra_Leon]

Spiesr & pmc: your thought on LSU?

And for the record, I have a penis.

[spiesr]

My thoughts on LSU? He has been so inactive (everywhere) lately that it is hard to find much new about him.
He still appears to think I am scum, but so do others so I can't really hold too much of that against him.
I think he was trying to get the one he found most scummy lynched. Splitting the vote at that time wasn't exactly in the town's best interest though. Unless he really believed I was scum and natewolfman was town. Maybe he even thought that others would come around to his side before the deadline?

[pmchugh]

Hmm LSU? He's hard to read because he plays consistantly but I doont really think hes scum in this game and not just cause he was linked with me. I don't really have any basis for that rather than just gut feeling and I think others are more suspicious, I realise this will put me in a bad light if he turns up scum but hey you got to tell the truth and take a few risks.

@PMC: Because as Sierra stated I too felt a cop as more informative and the angel claim a little bit hard to swallow. Are you really thinking there are 3 mafia in this set up. Because I get the feeling that is what you are alluding to. Can you explain how that is balanced if that is what you believe? Why a free pass on those who didn't post. Do you know for a fact they were not around? Don't you think scum are more likely not to show up so there is a mislynch then anything else?

When did I say there were 3 mafia? I wasnt alluding to SL being scum as well. I was merely asking why you have double standards. Its ok for you and SL to not vote nate but it isnt for LSU and sam? That seems unfair. In other words why a free pass for you and SL?

What part of I got a townie read from SL did was missed. Seriously the girl (?) is scum hunting and making points better then others I noticed in the game. If you want to point to something scummy besides her lack of vote on Nate I'm all ears.

Your missing the point, Im not saying OMG you are scum cause you did that! Im just saying that if you find it suspicious other people are doing this then surely you accept this also puts yourself in a bad light?

[farside22]

Hmm LSU? He's hard to read because he plays consistantly but I doont really think hes scum in this game and not just cause he was linked with me. I don't really have any basis for that rather than just gut feeling and I think others are more suspicious, I realise this will put me in a bad light if he turns up scum but hey you got to tell the truth and take a few risks.

@PMC: Because as Sierra stated I too felt a cop as more informative and the angel claim a little bit hard to swallow. Are you really thinking there are 3 mafia in this set up. Because I get the feeling that is what you are alluding to. Can you explain how that is balanced if that is what you believe? Why a free pass on those who didn't post. Do you know for a fact they were not around? Don't you think scum are more likely not to show up so there is a mislynch then anything else?

When did I say there were 3 mafia? I wasnt alluding to SL being scum as well. I was merely asking why you have double standards. Its ok for you and SL to not vote nate but it isnt for LSU and sam? That seems unfair. In other words why a free pass for you and SL?

What part of I got a townie read from SL did was missed. Seriously the girl (?) is scum hunting and making points better then others I noticed in the game. If you want to point to something scummy besides her lack of vote on Nate I'm all ears.

Your missing the point, Im not saying OMG you are scum cause you did that! Im just saying that if you find it suspicious other people are doing this then surely you accept this also puts yourself in a bad light?

Oh well I know I'm town.
Seriously though if people want to ask me question and be suspicious of me I can't say it isn't deserved. I'm just saying that I'm judging what I think on the people I was more suspicious of by the end of my read. LSU was one.

[Sierra_Leon]

This would be a good time for the mod to prod LSU (and other people not posting), if that hasn't been done already.

[spiesr]

Oh well I know I'm town.

Do you know how bad that sounds?

[LSU Tiger Josh]

Sierra if you had looked in my game you would know that I'm suffering from the flu. Flu tends to keep people away from reading a lot and posting. I'm getting voted because I found Spiesr more scummy than nate at the time I last voted and never switched after a wagon switched when I wasn't on?

As pointed out before a cop claim is a lot easier to determine something then a type of doc since any joe blow could claim to be a doc while as a cop it is more difficult to determine what is happening. Also cops have to figure out if they are paranoid, naive, true, or backwards. since the pressure is on me as well since i'm not going to be here for the weekend I'll state that I'm a cop and last night got Spiesr as innocent. Night 1 I had done sheep and also got an innocent there. As stated before I wasn't going to try to out myself that early without anything, but seeing how we have someone pushing my lynch for not voting on someone that wound up guilty when I wasn't sure if I was naive or not. I just know that I can investigate each night.

Right now I'm most suspicious on far side for trying to cast himself out of the light and focusing all his attention here. If I die during the night guys remember that Spiesr is innocent from my investigation.

[sam_levi_11]

ok guys ill try post more but im having family trouble. Ill try post and catch up more

So i voted nate. I dont see the whole basis for this. I voted for who i thought was most scummy, you also voted, yet you seem to have forgotten such a fact. You also thought he was scummy, so you should see why we voted, unless your reasons are different to ours, for instance you know he is town and you try lynch him. Again if you have claimed, sorry, iv been away and therefor wouldnt know. You seem to be scraping the barrel even when everyone thinks you are talking crap. Not only that but it seems you may have outed our cop.

vote farside

[spiesr]

So LSU has claimed cop.
But Nickbaldwin was Town Cop.
Is one of these supposed to be a seer?
Do we really have two cops with the same power?
Is LSU lying?
Is LSU telling the truth but actually like a naive cop or something?
Can LSU talk to us some more?

[pmchugh]

Sierra if you had looked in my game you would know that I'm suffering from the flu. Flu tends to keep people away from reading a lot and posting. I'm getting voted because I found Spiesr more scummy than nate at the time I last voted and never switched after a wagon switched when I wasn't on?

As pointed out before a cop claim is a lot easier to determine something then a type of doc since any joe blow could claim to be a doc while as a cop it is more difficult to determine what is happening. Also cops have to figure out if they are paranoid, naive, true, or backwards. since the pressure is on me as well since i'm not going to be here for the weekend I'll state that I'm a cop and last night got Spiesr as innocent. Night 1 I had done sheep and also got an innocent there. As stated before I wasn't going to try to out myself that early without anything, but seeing how we have someone pushing my lynch for not voting on someone that wound up guilty when I wasn't sure if I was naive or not. I just know that I can investigate each night.

Right now I'm most suspicious on far side for trying to cast himself out of the light and focusing all his attention here. If I die during the night guys remember that Spiesr is innocent from my investigation.

Now Ive got to say this is suspcious, very suspicious.

First off you didnt need to claim not even close, then your claim is suspicous in itself. As speisr pointed out nick was a town cop, are you a seer/cop or both? Even after that you claim to have investigated sheep who was is a confirmed dead townie and speisr who was suspicious yesterday but not suspeted today; two easy claims. Plus you could be scum/werewolf cop.

Then there is this:

I will likely believe nate's claim once drake_259, spaceghst44 and LSU Tiger Josh post and confirm that they cannot counter it by being a cop who has powers every night...

I am not the cop.

Lynch all liars?

unvote vote lsu

[Sierra_Leon]

since the pressure is on me as well since i'm not going to be here for the weekend I'll state that I'm a cop and last night got Spiesr as innocent. Night 1 I had done sheep and also got an innocent there. As stated before I wasn't going to try to out myself that early without anything, but seeing how we have someone pushing my lynch for not voting on someone that wound up guilty when I wasn't sure if I was naive or not. I just know that I can investigate each night.

LOL, did you by any chance miss the scene where nick was reveiled to be the cop?
This game is so easy when the scum don't even bother to read the game properly.