[Abandoned] - België: Battle of Languages

[MarVal]

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UPDATE 07

Larger map (800x840)
[bigimg]http://www.aluy.eu/CC/Belgie_08.jpg[/bigimg]

• Gameplay Objective
• Abbreviates
• New text colors
• New borderlines between the provinces

Victory gains by

• Conquering and holding the 5 capitals of Flemish Region + Brussels Region
• Conquering and holding the 5 capitals of Walloon Region + Brussels Region

To Do list

• Attack routes
• Impassible routes
• Strategy
• Gameplay

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[spoiler=map info]

• Three Regions
  
  • The Flemish Region, subdivided into 5 provinces (23 arrondissements)
    
    • Dutch language area
  • The Walloon Region, subdivided into 5 provinces (23 arrondissements, included Ostkantone)
    
    • French language area
  • The Brussels-Capital Region, subdivide into 6 municipalities
    
    • bilingual language area
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  [spoiler=Ideas]Victory gains by
  
  
  • Conquering and holding the 5 capitals of Flemish Region + Brussels Region
  • Conquering and holding the 5 capitals of Walloon Region + Brussels Region

At the beginning of a game

• Neutral with X armies
  
  • The community Capital Eupen (E)
  • The community Bruxelles / Brussel (B/B)
  • The Capitals Antwerpen (An) & Namur (N)
  • The Dutch, French & German Treaty

• Player
  
  • Starting with 1 randomly chosen Jurisdiction
  • Each player starts in another Province

Bonuses

• Holding a Province & his Province Capital
  
  • Oost-Vlaanderen & city Brugge (B) = 2
  • West-Vlaanderen & city Gent (G) = 4
  • Antwerpen & city Antwerpen (An) = 3
  • Vlaams-Brabant & city Leuven (Le) = 2
  • Limburg & city Hasselt (H) = 2
  • Hainaut & city Mons (M) = 5
  • Brabant Wallon & city Wavre (W) = 1
  • Namur & city Namur (N) = 2
  • Liège & city Liège (L) = 2
  • Luxembourg & city Arlon (A) = 2
• Holding the community Bruxelles / Brussel (B/B) = 0
• Holding the community Ostkantone = 1

Autodeply

• When holding the Dutch Treaty with X armies
• When holding the French Treaty with X armies
• When holding the German Treaty with X armies

Attack Routes

• 2-ways Attack
  
  • Jurisdictions connecting to each other
  • Jurisdictions connecting to the river

• 1-way Attack
  
  • from the city Antwerpen (An) to the French Treaty
  • from the city Namur (N) to the French Treaty
  • from the city Eupen (E) to the German Treaty

• 2-ways bombardment
  
  • Between the Capitals

impassable borders

• Yellow border
• Province borders

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[spoiler=More ideas]Victory is gained by:

1. Conquering and holding X rounds the Flemish region
2. Conquering and holding X rounds the Walloon region
3. Conquering and holding X rounds the Brussels-Capital region

Neutral countries:

• Harbour Antwerp with X armies on it by the start of the game
• X Walloon country with X armies on it by the start of the game
• Capital of Flemish: Brussels with X armies on it by the start of the game
• Capital of Walloon: Namur with X armies on it by the start of the game

More ideas:

• Reinforcement Flemish (holding a X country) with a treaty between the Netherlands
• Reinforcement Walloon (holding a X country) with a treaty between France

[/list][/list]All feedback,suggestions and critisism are welcome.
When the first image of the map will be seen, we can discuss about the army bonuses, the (attack/defense) positions of the countries, gameplay and more [/spoiler] _____________________________________________________

[spoiler=Previous Update]UPDATE 06
- Larger map (800x840)

UPDATE 05
- Larger map (800x840)

UPDATE 04
- Larger map (800x840)

UPDATE 03
- Larger map (800x840)

UPDATE 02
- Larger map (800x840)

UPDATE 01
- Larger map (800x840)
- Smaller map (600x630)

UPDATE 00
- Larger map (800x840)
- Smaller map (600x630)[/spoiler]_____________________________________________________

More information about the idea here below:

When the first image of the map will be seen, we can discuss about the army bonuses, the (attack/defense) positions of the countries, gameplay and more
[player]Gnome[/player] already made a Belgium map, but it was [abandoned] and it became a Death Project. [player]Gnome[/player] told me and others in the past, if someone wants to take it over they can take it over.



So I wanna make a new fresh start and after a lot of brainstorming I will give it a go... but not as a regular country map Belgium, but the country Belgium as a strategy map with a goal, i.e. City Mogul & Feudal War. The working title will be:

[spoiler=Belgium - Battle of Languages]But before I will let you know more about the strategy, you have to know some language history about Belgium:
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Communities

Following a usage which can be traced back to the Burgundian and Hasburgian courts,[36] in the 19th century it was necessary to speak French to belong to the governing upper class, and those who could only speak Dutch, Walloon or other regional dialects were effectively second-class citizens. Late that century, and continuing into the 20th century, the Flemish and Walloon movements evolved to counter this situation. While the Walloons and most Brusselers adopted French as their first language, the Flemings refused to do so and succeeded progressively in imposing Dutch as Flanders' official language. Following World War II, Belgian politics became increasingly dominated by the autonomy of its two main language communities.

• Flemish Community
• Flemish & French Community
• French Community
• German-speaking Community

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Regions

So Belgium's two largest regions are the Dutch-speaking region of Flanders in the north, with 59% of the population, and the French-speaking southern region of Wallonia, inhabited by 31%. The Brussels-Capital Region, officially bilingual, is a mostly French-speaking enclave within the Flemish Region and near the Walloon Region, and has 10% of the population. A small German-speaking Community exists in eastern Wallonia.

• Flemish Region
• Brussels-Capital Region
• Walloon Region

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And now my brainstorming ideas

As you could read about the language history Belgium is separate in two large Regions with their own language (Dutch and French). The separating doesn't stop with the languages, but it also influence big politics issues. I will not go further on that, but it starts me to thinking of a strategy map instead of a regular map.

So whats the strategy you'll be thinking
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The idea is having 3 regions, 11 provinces and at least 40 countries
(on the map it will have Dutch and French names)

The Flemish region with 5 provinces

1. Antwerp
2. Limburg
3. East Flanders
4. Flemish Brabant
5. West Flanders

The Walloon region with 5 provinces

1. Walloon Brabant
2. Hainaut
3. Liège
4. Luxembourg
5. Namur

The Brussels-Capital region[/spoiler]_____________________________________________________

So let us know what U think about my idea for making not a regular map of Belgium, but a strategy map instead

Grtz
MarVal

[Qwert]

Its these only idea or maybe you all ready have some initial draft?

[the.killing.44]

Its these only idea or maybe you all ready have some initial draft?

Note:

• Offline I'm already working on a first impression of the map.

Little map comp between MarVal and captainwalrus?

[MarVal]

Its these only idea or maybe you all ready have some initial draft?

You knew me, qwert,

Off course I have some drafting...

Grtz
MarVal

[MarVal]

Little map comp between MarVal and captainwalrus?

No, it isn't. But its to bad that the other Belgium map is just another regular country map. Belgium needs more, with the name of the Regions, provinces and so on. And not only points for holding continents. Otherwise IMO its only another regular map. If you make a country map, you need to put everything in it like I already said about regions, provinces, capitals and so on.
Belgium is not just a country.... See for yourself the other map I've made: BeNeLux (and playable on CC).

And with the strategy, it can be more then just a Belgium map.

With a lot of help from my Belgium mates (in my clan and on the language forum) we can make this working out with all the official names in it. By the way, I'm form the Netherlands and speak te language and nknow history of Belgium a little bit.

Grtz
MarVal

[onbekende]

I can help as always, hope I know it pretty well around here

[gimil]

Its great to see you in the foundry again marv. Your idea seems intresting but I would be able to comment better with an image, so ill keep watching in the background for now.

[captainwalrus]

I would deffinently be open to using these suggestions on my map currenly being made but I don't know the names of teritories in different languages. For the names of the territories I actualy just used cities that I found using google earth. Any expertise that you have on this would greatly improve on my map.

[thedriver]

Go for it !!MarVal !!!!

[Industrial Helix]

I think this is a real cool idea. I'm a little uncertain about the details of the gameplay though, but the concept is strong. Perhaps if you gave each language territory a capitol (like the french speaking capitol could be around the french border and the flemish around the dutch border) and the rules could stipulate: hold the language capitol and 5 regions of the opposite language area. Or a language capitol, Brussels, and some language areas.

It's a good concept and I think it could make for a successful map. Best of luck and I hope to see it done!

[Astro Phantom]

verry nice, if you want help for names or anything else, I'm here.
for the gameplay, I'll wait until there is a map.

[Qwert]

You knew me, qwert,

Off course I have some drafting...

Good,i just asking

[MarVal]

You knew me, qwert,

Off course I have some drafting...

Good,i just asking

I know

Its great to see you in the foundry again marv. Your idea seems intresting but I would be able to comment better with an image, so ill keep watching in the background for now.

It will be on, just this evening.

I would deffinently be open to using these suggestions on my map currenly being made but I don't know the names of teritories in different languages. For the names of the territories I actualy just used cities that I found using google earth. Any expertise that you have on this would greatly improve on my map.

Thanks you will be open for some suggestions, but as you say yourself, you found everything through Google Earth. What I try to do is to be so close by the Belgium folks themselves. As you can see on some posts of them in this thread, they wanna help me. Also I placed a suggestion thread in our Dutch Language forum (De Veroveraars Club) and the Belgium mates wanna help me out with borders, names and strategy as well. I do appreciate your artwork, but making only a regular map with names found on Google Earth isn't enough for me and IMO not enough for the Belgium and Dutch members. But then, you have to asked them

Above message is not for cracking down your work, not at all! But IMO their are a lot of regular maps of countries on CC and its time to make more out of a country, i.e. the fantastic battle maps of qwert.

I think this is a real cool idea. I'm a little uncertain about the details of the gameplay though, but the concept is strong. Perhaps if you gave each language territory a capitol (like the french speaking capitol could be around the french border and the flemish around the dutch border) and the rules could stipulate: hold the language capitol and 5 regions of the opposite language area. Or a language capitol, Brussels, and some language areas.

It's a good concept and I think it could make for a successful map. Best of luck and I hope to see it done!

Thanks and a great idea of yours, I shall see what I can do with that one and jasper_be had also a great idea of creating another victory gain, by balancing the languages in sort of way (that must be also worked further out).

Grtz
MarVal

[MarVal]

UPDATE 00

• First look of the map on the first post.

So let us know what U think about the map Belgium so far.

Grtz
MarVal

[Industrial Helix]

At first glance:

The borders seem good, though theres a few tiny spaces, which I don't know if you intended it that way or plan to use the smaller areas.

It needs a key, are the rovers going to be impassible?

The terrain detailing makes it a bit difficult to look at, maybe tone it down a little, though I don't think that getting rid of it is necessary.

Also, some sort of color coded regions would be nice. Three regions in black, red and yellow/mustard?

[el-presidente]

Are there only 9 territories??

[the.killing.44]

Are there only 9 territories??

Na, I think those are just the continents.

Anyway, I think you will have to do something with the typeface or scale back on the background texture because at this point it's a bit much to handle. Good graphical start and you've really put some thought into it!

[MarVal]

At first glance:

The borders seem good, though theres a few tiny spaces, which I don't know if you intended it that way or plan to use the smaller areas.
Yes, the smaller area in the North belongs to the Flemish Region and the smaller area in the South belongs to Walloon Region. The middle smaller area is Brussels Region.

It needs a key, are the rovers going to be impassible?
Just working out the details of the areas, later we must think how we must create impassible or possible borders.

The terrain detailing makes it a bit difficult to look at, maybe tone it down a little, though I don't think that getting rid of it is necessary.
At this moment your correct.

Also, some sort of color coded regions would be nice. Three regions in black, red and yellow/mustard?
there will be a legend for all regions and provinces.

Are there only 9 territories??

Na, I think those are just the continents.
Thats correct, so called provinces.

Anyway, I think you will have to do something with the typeface or scale back on the background texture because at this point it's a bit much to handle. Good graphical start and you've really put some thought into it!
They will not be on the country later on, this was just a first impression with the provinces in it.

[onbekende]

looking nice

you forgot to gray out Zeeland btw

[gimil]

Just for future reference marv, your small is 10px higher than the guidelines states.

[MrBenn]

Marv, more stuff for reference - please add an updated image to the end of the thread, as well as the first post, as it helps people to follow the development, and will help people (like me) to tie comments to particular versions

[captainwalrus]

I would deffinently be open to using these suggestions on my map currenly being made but I don't know the names of teritories in different languages. For the names of the territories I actualy just used cities that I found using google earth. Any expertise that you have on this would greatly improve on my map.

Thanks you will be open for some suggestions, but as you say yourself, you found everything through Google Earth. What I try to do is to be so close by the Belgium folks themselves. As you can see on some posts of them in this thread, they wanna help me. Also I placed a suggestion thread in our Dutch Language forum (De Veroveraars Club) and the Belgium mates wanna help me out with borders, names and strategy as well. I do appreciate your artwork, but making only a regular map with names found on Google Earth isn't enough for me and IMO not enough for the Belgium and Dutch members. But then, you have to asked them

Above message is not for cracking down your work, not at all! But IMO their are a lot of regular maps of countries on CC and its time to make more out of a country, i.e. the fantastic battle maps of qwert.
MarVal

The problem is, I don't know dutch or flemmish, I only know english and latin

[el-presidente]

WHy doesn't MarVal use his expertise and just put this on captainwalrus's thread then captain walrus can add it to his map and you two can work together to make it and both get the credit. I dunno but it seems like that would work best.

And what does IMO mean?

[the.killing.44]

And what does IMO mean?

In My Opinion

[MarVal]

looking nice

you forgot to gray out Zeeland btw
I shall see if its necessary to do that in future updates.

Just for future reference marv, your small is 10px higher than the guidelines states.
Sorry, its been changed.

Marv, more stuff for reference - please add an updated image to the end of the thread, as well as the first post, as it helps people to follow the development, and will help people (like me) to tie comments to particular versions
Forgot to do it, I did on my previous maps I've made. Thanks for letting me know.

The problem is, I don't know dutch or flemmish, I only know english and latin
You understand Latin, thats cool.

WHy doesn't MarVal use his expertise and just put this on captainwalrus's thread then captain walrus can add it to his map and you two can work together to make it and both get the credit. I dunno but it seems like that would work best.
I agree totally, but how should we do that? Cause the graphics and regions aren't the way I like them.

Grtz
MarVal