Why do people believe in God ?

[got tonkaed]

she pwns too, port wine, 2 lbs of chocolate a week...smoking until your 117. Never had to work because she had a rich husband, clearly she just outplays us in the longevity game.

[CrazyAnglican]

Rule #1 for living long: No grouches.

My grandmother heard much later in her life that scientists believed laughing was one of the best exercises; she laughed saying "I could have told them that". She lived until she was 100 (almost 101).

Longliving family helps too.

My Grandpa 88
His dad 93 (fell out of a hayloft)

[Japs]

I believe that no person will live past 120.... None have done it yet and it shows in the Bible. So when you say extremely old think 120.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

pwn.

20 bucks says she cant find her Birth Certificate because she wasnt born in a hospital. My grandma wasnt born in a hospital so she dont have one.

[CrazyAnglican]

Believing in god is just easier than accepting uncertainty. People wish to believe that there is a higher purpose for being, because conceding our insignificance is a difficult thing for some people to come to terms with.

This seems like it was your reason for believeing before you decided not to (Backglass and porkenbeans seem to agree). Given that no one can speak reliably as to the motives of another group (not being privy to the actual information), It appears that this is at best a flimsy reason for believeing held by folks who seem not to in the first place.

I can say that anonymity and uncertainty don't really enter into my reasons.

Here was my post on my actual reasons:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=65659&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&start=150

[Neoteny]

I believe that no person will live past 120.... None have done it yet and it shows in the Bible. So when you say extremely old think 120.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeanne_Calment

pwn.

20 bucks says she cant find her Birth Certificate because she wasnt born in a hospital. My grandma wasnt born in a hospital so she dont have one.

http://www.demogr.mpg.de/books/odense/6/09.htm

You owe me 20 bucks. Perhaps no birth certificate, but her life has been pretty well studied...

[Japs]

I think that its safe to say she fudged some of those years or she is just mistaken

[CrazyAnglican]

20 bucks says she cant find her Birth Certificate because she wasnt born in a hospital.

Perhaps no birth certificate, but...

Actually seems like you owe him the $20 dude. He didn't mention any other kind of documentation.

[Neoteny]

I think that its safe to say she fudged some of those years or she is just mistaken

She fudged baptism and registry documents, as well as two census records? I suppose it's possible...

20 bucks says she cant find her Birth Certificate because she wasnt born in a hospital.

Perhaps no birth certificate, but...

Actually seems like you owe him the $20 dude. He didn't mention any other kind of documentation.

Yeah, but I get a bonus out of this anyhow, even if it isn't monetary.

[porkenbeans]

I believe that no person will live past 120.... None have done it yet and it shows in the Bible. So when you say extremely old think 120.

Do you know just how long Noah supposedly lived ?

[CrazyAnglican]

If I remember correctly it was a study that was done at Cornell, I was quoting a phrase they used within the study.

I'd certainly like to see that link. Lots of things are measured in "grade level" as a basic measurement of knowledge or skill. Intelligence is neither knowledge nor skill but an attribute pertaining to how easily one can learn new information. So, it just seemed odd that it would be used in that way.

I don't, by the way, assume anything like, what you assume, ...that I assume. hehehe.

I didn't assume anything btw. You stated it, in response to Juan's question.

With all of us running around here, I don't understand why the Godless Heathens clan isn't 50x the size it is now. 30 is a lot, but we should be competing for the largest clan on CC.

Most people are not as advanced in intellect. I read somewhere that the average intellegents of the U.S. is only a 5th. grade level. It may be even lower at CC.

I only stated facts. The less intellegent, among the human race, are followers of the mingy, (superstition). Its plain and simple. Science, NOT mingy, (religion) has brought us out of the dark. Where as, Religion, (mingy) has clung on hard to maintain itself.

But religion is no more mingy (whatever that may be exactly; you seemed a bit nebulous on that) than science is biology. Your overgeneralization makes little sense. It's just a wild accusation that all religions are the same. Would you care to prove that?

Tell me friend, How many people have been slaughtered in the past 3,000 years, in the name of religion ? How many crushed into the earth, burned at the stake, empailed upon the selfrightous spear of superstition, or simply tossed in the river.

Actually about as many as have been slaughetered in the name of nationalism, economics, and other ideologies. A perusal of the history of war will show that (6.98% including the wars that have included Islam, 3.23% for those that have been included other religions) can be directly tied to religion (Day, Vox. The Irrational Atheist. pg. 100). Day's cited spurce for this information follows, (so that you can check if desired) it still shows more than 90% of of a significant sample (1,763) of wars in recorded history cannot be accurately deemed religious wars (Phillips, Charles and Alan Axelrod. Encyclopedia of Wars. 2005). Atheistic regimes (especially the communist variteties) tend to knock their own citizenry off with frightening efficiency. Can you really claim that much superiority in this regard?

Tell me brother, Tell me of love and kindness.

I'd be glad to but the actions of these folks speak louder than my words:

http://www.iocc.org/
http://www.africanchristiancharities.or ... jects.aspx
http://www.cccc.org/

the list goes on and on. How many specifically atheist charities are there? Does Atheism spur people to acts of kindness, brother?

Tell me that I'm going to hell, and I'll tell you, ... If your kind are all going to Heven, then, we will finnaly be rid of the ''mingy''. Who knows, Hell might not be as bad as you say. The company will sure better.

Never said it to anybody else I don't know why I should start with you. If you don't believe, it's completely okay with me. It doesn't seem as if you're as tolerant though.

I will be more than happy to dispute every one of your logic disasters, but it will have to be tomorrow.

Tick, tock, tick, tock.

[porkenbeans]

If I remember correctly it was a study that was done at Cornell, I was quoting a phrase they used within the study.

I'd certainly like to see that link. Lots of things are measured in "grade level" as a basic measurement of knowledge or skill. Intelligence is neither knowledge nor skill but an attribute pertaining to how easily one can learn new information. So, it just seemed odd that it would be used in that way.

I don't, by the way, assume anything like, what you assume, ...that I assume. hehehe.

I didn't assume anything btw. You stated it, in response to Juan's question.

With all of us running around here, I don't understand why the Godless Heathens clan isn't 50x the size it is now. 30 is a lot, but we should be competing for the largest clan on CC.

Most people are not as advanced in intellect. I read somewhere that the average intellegents of the U.S. is only a 5th. grade level. It may be even lower at CC.

I only stated facts. The less intellegent, among the human race, are followers of the mingy, (superstition). Its plain and simple. Science, NOT mingy, (religion) has brought us out of the dark. Where as, Religion, (mingy) has clung on hard to maintain itself.

But religion is no more mingy (whatever that may be exactly; you seemed a bit nebulous on that) than science is biology. Your overgeneralization makes little sense. It's just a wild accusation that all religions are the same. Would you care to prove that?

Tell me friend, How many people have been slaughtered in the past 3,000 years, in the name of religion ? How many crushed into the earth, burned at the stake, empailed upon the selfrightous spear of superstition, or simply tossed in the river.

Actually about as many as have been slaughetered in the name of nationalism, economics, and other ideologies. A perusal of the history of war will show that (6.98% including the wars that have included Islam, 3.23% for those that have been included other religions) can be directly tied to religion (Day, Vox. The Irrational Atheist. pg. 100). Day's cited spurce for this information follows, (so that you can check if desired) it still shows more than 90% of of a significant sample (1,763) of wars in recorded history cannot be accurately deemed religious wars (Phillips, Charles and Alan Axelrod. Encyclopedia of Wars. 2005). Atheistic regimes (especially the communist variteties) tend to knock their own citizenry off with frightening efficiency. Can you really claim that much superiority in this regard?

Tell me brother, Tell me of love and kindness.

I'd be glad to but the actions of these folks speak louder than my words:

http://www.iocc.org/
http://www.africanchristiancharities.or ... jects.aspx
http://www.cccc.org/

the list goes on and on. How many specifically atheist charities are there? Does Atheism spur people to acts of kindness, brother?

Tell me that I'm going to hell, and I'll tell you, ... If your kind are all going to Heven, then, we will finnaly be rid of the ''mingy''. Who knows, Hell might not be as bad as you say. The company will sure better.

Never said it to anybody else I don't know why I should start with you. If you don't believe, it's completely okay with me. It doesn't seem as if you're as tolerant though.

I will be more than happy to dispute every one of your logic disasters, but it will have to be tomorrow.

Tick, tock, tick, tock.

I was trying to be respectful to you, I empathize very much with what you are going through right now. Im sure that your spouse needs your loving shoulder too. So I donate the our time so that you can read some of the ''RED'' words to her insted. In the meantime, I will try to see what I can do with the instructions that you were so kind to give me.

[CrazyAnglican]

I think you have me confused with PLAYER (I appreciate the thought though). No sweat about the directions though (I hope they make sense- no guarantees ), and I was just razzing you because that seemed like the bantering tone you were taking initially. Take your time, dude.

[Japs]

I believe that no person will live past 120.... None have done it yet and it shows in the Bible. So when you say extremely old think 120.

Do you know just how long Noah supposedly lived ?

oh one last thing. This is said for all people after Moses

[PLAYER57832]

20 bucks says she cant find her Birth Certificate because she wasnt born in a hospital. My grandma wasnt born in a hospital so she dont have one.

http://www.demogr.mpg.de/books/odense/6/09.htm

You owe me 20 bucks. Perhaps no birth certificate, but her life has been pretty well studied...

"Studied" does not = birth certificate

[Skittles!]

I believe that no person will live past 120.... None have done it yet and it shows in the Bible. So when you say extremely old think 120.

Do you know just how long Noah supposedly lived ?

oh one last thing. This is said for all people after Moses

You don't know that some have not done it. It is unlikely that some have, but we don't know. Until proper documentation was invented, then we don't really know.

It must of sucked to be older than 120 though. Think of all the great's grandchildren you will have, and your bones would ache, and you'd piss yourself all the time.

[porkenbeans]

I think you have me confused with PLAYER (I appreciate the thought though). No sweat about the directions though (I hope they make sense- no guarantees ), and I was just razzing you because that seemed like the bantering tone you were taking initially. Take your time, dude.

Yes ,Sorry aboutthat . Had you confused in my mind with ''player''.

[porkenbeans]

I think you have me confused with PLAYER (I appreciate the thought though). No sweat about the directions though (I hope they make sense- no guarantees ), and I was just razzing you because that seemed like the bantering tone you were taking initially. Take your time, dude.

Man, I just cant quite fig. it out.

[Neoteny]

20 bucks says she cant find her Birth Certificate because she wasnt born in a hospital. My grandma wasnt born in a hospital so she dont have one.

http://www.demogr.mpg.de/books/odense/6/09.htm

You owe me 20 bucks. Perhaps no birth certificate, but her life has been pretty well studied...

"Studied" does not = birth certificate

This has been pointed out. I would like to add that birth certificate does not = absolute proof.

[got tonkaed]

20 bucks says she cant find her Birth Certificate because she wasnt born in a hospital. My grandma wasnt born in a hospital so she dont have one.

http://www.demogr.mpg.de/books/odense/6/09.htm

You owe me 20 bucks. Perhaps no birth certificate, but her life has been pretty well studied...

"Studied" does not = birth certificate

This has been pointed out. I would like to add that birth certificate does not = absolute proof.

seemingly if the good folks at Guinness book of world records believe her age to be accurate, it should probably be good enough for you or i. They tend to take their records rather seriously.

[Neoteny]

Go figure.

[Frigidus]

I believe that no person will live past 120.... None have done it yet and it shows in the Bible. So when you say extremely old think 120.

Do you know just how long Noah supposedly lived ?

oh one last thing. This is said for all people after Moses

Oh, of course.