Crazy Maps And Dice?

[comic boy]

I'm pissed off that all the good boys went bad thanks to the recent string of incidents. You're on my turf now and I don't like it.

Im sorry mate, the meek have risen

[Frop]

Well done mate. we are here, use us.

Where is the anger?! CLA! CLA!

[Hatchman]

Yay! Can't wait to see the "new world" and its newly names territories. The cartographers here have done some splendid work.

Seriously, I think Twill's post is fair and reassuring.

[comic boy]

I understand that certain things may well be best kept under wraps but can we not have some details of this alleged litigation, surely dice and wording cannot be copyright !
As Jim says the more you tell us the more empathy you will recieve, keeping us in the dark simply breeds distrust and hostility.

[tyche73]

what happened with CM
still doesn't explain why we never got any warnings couldn't CC be bothered a prior warning?????????????
maybe we could have reduced the amount of games we'd joined i think it was handled badly

[mpjh]

Demanding more information is useless. If the changes were made in the face of potential litigation, then the worst thing for them would be to say something. Silence is best when facing litigation. They should take action consistent with respecting Hasbro's copyright and keep their mouths shut. We will just have to get over it.

[comic boy]

Demanding more information is useless. If the changes were made in the face of potential litigation, then the worst thing for them would be to say something. Silence is best when facing litigation. They should take action consistent with respecting Hasbro's copyright and keep their mouths shut. We will just have to get over it.

I can believe in potential litigation with regard to the map but not dice and wording, do you really swallow that ?

[mibi]

I understand that certain things may well be best kept under wraps but can we not have some details of this alleged litigation, surely dice and wording cannot be copyright !
As Jim says the more you tell us the more empathy you will recieve, keeping us in the dark simply breeds distrust and hostility.

seriously, the images are the only thing thats fugly. Any information you can share about the copyright issue?

[mpjh]

Yes, I believe that Hasbro could be making wildly unreasonable claims. This is not being settled by logic, but by swift and decisive action that removes any possibility of a court taking the matter seriously. That means conceding some points that may not be absolutely necessary to concede. Over time, and with a new map they will have a better chance to keep the game going for us. Besides, the dice were a fiction anyway, we still have the same underlying randomness and results.

My only real quarrel is that the new map doesn't work well with my dyslexia.

[kmhebert]

Hey everybody.

There's been a lot of activity on the changes we made yesterday. A lot of upset people (myself included) and a lot of questions. Let me do my best to address those concerns from what I know:

1) The maps are fugly. Yes, we know they are. I personally agree with you all on that point, but we had to change them to avoid potential copyright issues. Andydufresne, and Oaktown along with at least one or two users have already begun work on a revamp contest to find someone to come up with something better. We're hoping it goes up soon so we can get back to something more playable.

2) <so and so> must DIE! - no, they must not. Please do not attempt to arrange any sort of lynch mobs, class action law suits, consumer boycots or intestinal stranglings. These will accomplish nothing other than to piss off more people which wont solve anything for anyone, and trying to strangle someone may just make things worse - we don't want murder on our hands - we don't want murder on our hands Please let us handle any issues that are related to this.

3) Communication SUCKS, I'm leaving, you blow, how dare you, I want a refund - these are all fair criticisms and we are truly sorry that this panned out the way it did but again, it was something we did to avoid potential issues. All I ask is that if you have a specific complaint or suggestion please try to contact me. My inbox it flooding right now, but I will try to get to all of your concerns and address them as best as I can as soon as I can.

4) To those of you who have sent us best wishes, thank you. I wish I could thank you all personally because they mean a lot to us. I can only hope that these changes aren't too onerous and that we can continue to offer you a great game and an enjoyable site.

I know that this doesn't fix everything, but we are going to be taking steps to make things less ugly and messy. This thread is moving fairly quickly so please quote this message once every couple of pages so that future readers can keep up to date. I'm trying to read all the posts and am PMing several people to address their concerns at a pace it can be followed, but there are a lot to get through


Hang in there folks, pretty maps are hopefully coming
Twill

This really doesn't explain what happened. Post the legal complaint!

[tender]

Wooo! Page 69!
Thanks for the response, Twill.

*goes to look up Hasbro's RISK copyright*

[mccallan25]

I understand that certain things may well be best kept under wraps but can we not have some details of this alleged litigation, surely dice and wording cannot be copyright !
As Jim says the more you tell us the more empathy you will recieve, keeping us in the dark simply breeds distrust and hostility.

Here in North Carolina I preside over a criminal bench and do not get copyright or trade mark cases, but I will state this site does not need to get into any real discussion what-so-ever with us (its’ paying customers) other then changes that had to be made. The necessary changes that have been implemented would satisfy most any court that this is not a copy of the game RISK™. So any potential crisis has most likely been averted.

I find it interesting that customers on here seem to feel they have the right or need to know all of the potential details of any possible litigation. It is as if that information would enable them as a customer to make some sort of difference or possibly change the minds of the site that they do indeed know what is best. That’s just not how a business is run that might face possible litigation. 90% of the replies to this thread do show most members do not understand the potential legal aspects of the change, nor the amount of money or years that it could easily waste while a simple injunction has the site shut down. I am sure they for the most part they appreciate your opinions but full disclosure is not necessary and potentially can cause bigger issues.

What’s amusing is the amount of upset members that are going to leave over it. Do you think that is really going to make any difference? If I owned this site, I would rest easily in the knowledge for every member that leaves another new one will eventually find the site.

Perhaps with the huge amount of enthusiasm this has created on this site younger players might be interested in pursuing a career in law.

[tsioumiou]

I WANT THE OLD CONQUERCLUB BACK:(

[mpjh]

I understand that certain things may well be best kept under wraps but can we not have some details of this alleged litigation, surely dice and wording cannot be copyright !
As Jim says the more you tell us the more empathy you will recieve, keeping us in the dark simply breeds distrust and hostility.

Here in North Carolina I preside over a criminal bench and do not get copyright or trade mark cases, but I will state this site does not need to get into any real discussion what-so-ever with us (its’ paying customers) other then changes that had to be made. The necessary changes that have been implemented would satisfy most any court that this is not a copy of the game RISK™. So any potential crisis has most likely been averted.

I find it interesting that customers on here seem to feel they have the right or need to know all of the potential details of any possible litigation. It is as if that information would enable them as a customer to make some sort of difference or possibly change the minds of the site that they do indeed know what is best. That’s just not how a business is run that might face possible litigation. 90% of the replies to this thread do show most members do not understand the potential legal aspects of the change, nor the amount of money or years that it could easily waste while a simple injunction has the site shut down. I am sure they for the most part they appreciate your opinions but full disclosure is not necessary and potentially can cause bigger issues.

What’s amusing is the amount of upset members that are going to leave over it. Do you think that is really going to make any difference? If I owned this site, I would rest easily in the knowledge for every member that leaves another new one will eventually find the site.

Perhaps with the huge amount of enthusiasm this has created on this site younger players might be interested in pursuing a career in law.

Now I know why I must avoid North Carolina jurisdiction at all costs.

Both sides here have a legitimate gripe. The managers must keep silent and respond decisively to avoid litigation, including conceding points like the dice that may be beyond any legitimate claim by Hasbro. The members, on the other hand, have had the enjoyment of the game cut off at the knees, and want an explanation. I think it will not really settle down until a new map is in place.

[jnd94]

Surely if Lack talks to hasbro about them getting some percentage of profits....

[cdcuase]

My concern was that any new changes to the classic map requires knowledge of what was wrong with it in the first place, and we have yet to get that information. The new classic map will apparently be developed in cooperation with the site members, but work can't progress until more info is shared.

[hwhrhett]

it does suck that it had to happen this way. but lets face it, we all kinda knew that eventually the classic map would have to be changed, or removed. dice are strange, but i kinda like the new ones. and who the hell cares wether its called fortifications or spoils? or attack or assault? is there really a difference?

in this time where something bad has obviously happened, we should let them handle it the way they have to. im sure we'll get an explanation, but i would imagine there could be alot more going on than what we see right now. and i think an announcement several months or weeks from now would be better 'legally'.

[Natewolfman]

it does suck that it had to happen this way. but lets face it, we all kinda knew that eventually the classic map would have to be changed, or removed. dice are strange, but i kinda like the new ones. and who the hell cares wether its called fortifications or spoils? or attack or assault? is there really a difference?

in this time where something bad has obviously happened, we should let them handle it the way they have to. im sure we'll get an explanation, but i would imagine there could be alot more going on than what we see right now. and i think an announcement several months or weeks from now would be better 'legally'.

herehere!

[jiminski]

My concern was that any new changes to the classic map requires knowledge of what was wrong with it in the first place, and we have yet to get that information. The new classic map will apparently be developed in cooperation with the site members, but work can't progress until more info is shared.

yeap, i am assuming that the brief will be given in the official competition thread.

just as a bit of conjectural fun: I would imagine that a slightly different world map would be a good idea .. perhaps taken from sections of a globe as opposed to being flattened.
And then very identifiable territory names omitted, perhaps those which are Hasbro idiosyncratic .. i am taking a shot in the dark here but perhaps the use of Siam and Congo for example..
heh ironically there are a few threads which discuss real country names and so forth, which may be of some passing use.

[Frop]

herehere!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_hear

[jbrettlip]

it does suck that it had to happen this way. but lets face it, we all kinda knew that eventually the classic map would have to be changed, or removed. dice are strange, but i kinda like the new ones. and who the hell cares wether its called fortifications or spoils? or attack or assault? is there really a difference?

in this time where something bad has obviously happened, we should let them handle it the way they have to. im sure we'll get an explanation, but i would imagine there could be alot more going on than what we see right now. and i think an announcement several months or weeks from now would be better 'legally'.

herehere!

How dare you say that. We deserve answers!!!! Go play games if you don't want these answers!!!

At least that is what I was told.

Change we can Believe in...here at CC.

Never noticed that Obama has a dangling preposition in his campaign slogan. I guess eduacation isn't really part of his platform.

[Fruitcake]

herehere!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_hear

Pedant

[Nickbaldwin]

Is there anyone who cares as little about the changes as me?

[Frop]

herehere!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hear_hear

Pedant

Hypocrite.

[mpjh]

God, but she doesn't exist.