TOP 20 - How Do You Rate Them.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

12 Seulessliathan- too many team games playing with friends from Germany that he knows in real life/team turn taking ( account babysitting abuse )

is everyone from USA a cheater if he plays with american players?^^

I dont know anyone in real life that is a member here and I dont take turns for anyone or let anyone take turns for me but im sure there are a ton of cheaters from the USA on here to answer your question.

[jiminski]

12 Seulessliathan- too many team games playing with friends from Germany that he knows in real life/team turn taking ( account babysitting abuse )

is everyone from USA a cheater if he plays with american players?^^

I dont know anyone in real life that is a member here and I dont take turns for anyone or let anyone take turns for me but im sure there are a ton of cheaters from the USA on here to answer your question.

Seul is without doubt one of my 5/6 exceptional players in that list of 20 players.

[JOHNNYROCKET24]

12 Seulessliathan- too many team games playing with friends from Germany that he knows in real life/team turn taking ( account babysitting abuse )

is everyone from USA a cheater if he plays with american players?^^

I dont know anyone in real life that is a member here and I dont take turns for anyone or let anyone take turns for me but im sure there are a ton of cheaters from the USA on here to answer your question.

Seul is without doubt one of my 5/6 exceptional players in that list of 20 players.

your entitled to your own opinion, but facts are facts

[jiminski]

12 Seulessliathan- too many team games playing with friends from Germany that he knows in real life/team turn taking ( account babysitting abuse )

is everyone from USA a cheater if he plays with american players?^^

I dont know anyone in real life that is a member here and I dont take turns for anyone or let anyone take turns for me but im sure there are a ton of cheaters from the USA on here to answer your question.

Seul is without doubt one of my 5/6 exceptional players in that list of 20 players.

your entitled to your own opinion, but facts are facts

as are you Rocket!
But this thread is about those within the top 20 who are genuinely of an exceptional talent level ... You are quite correct, the question is double-edged as the answer must engenders how the people got the points.*

My simple point is: however you feel about his playing with real life friends, having played with and against him, i judge him to have the talent which makes him exceptional.

*Honestly i think Seul is entitled to play with people he knows in Germany. I do not, and you do not, but this does not preclude him 'morally'.. (personally i would not for the simple fact that i would piss my mates off.)

[DAZMCFC]

Of the 20 in that list I've played 9 that I know of recently. I'm not a new recruit or cook so most of them will avoid me. Nor do i play freestyle ( the ruin of this site, imo).

Here's my verdict of the 9 I've played

scott-land - average seq esc player, calls out moves he either doesn't understand or are detrimental to his plans. Ignore this and do not be intimidated, and you will wipe the floor with him. Also liable to rant nonsensically, when challenged he will stfu!

seulessliathan - his dice are certainly exceptional in team games, only joking. Brilliant all round player, will match you move for move.

velvecarrots - never played him in teams but a solid seq esc player, with a few tricks up his sleeve.

mhennigan - seemed extremely good, with some very cunning strategy. One of the best.

lt pie, Rashid jelzin, jcking and i've forgot who the other two were all seemed unremarkable.

If seq esc is still the benchmark for good play on this site.? There are two players not far off the top 20 that I'd rate above all of these. Both british.

thanks wayne. you shouldn't really , i've nver even played you.

Yeah WTG daz .I was going to sing the blue army song ,but I'll hold back .

i'll wait 'til after the match tomorrow.

[jiminski]

i'll wait 'til after the match tomorrow.

now there is some kind of a parallel at work here.. Is Man City an exceptional club and does its talent warrant a top 20 place?
...or will a massive, contrived influx of money help them shoot beyond their station?

[DAZMCFC]

i'll wait 'til after the match tomorrow.

now there is some kind of a parallel at work here.. Is Man City an exceptional club and does its talent warrant a top 20 place?
...or will a massive, contrived influx of money help them shoot beyond their station?

we're already top 20, we're heading for top 4 hopeflly.

[jiminski]

we're already top 20, we're heading for top 4 hopeflly.

heh.. if there is one subject sure to sap all the humour right out of ya, it is City! i hope you do well mate.

[jiminski]

Top 20 is updated ... how many now ... any change?

[djt5483]

no they all still suck

[daydream]

12 Seulessliathan- too many team games playing with friends from Germany that he knows in real life/team turn taking ( account babysitting abuse )

i am from germany and i play with seul. does that make me a cheat as well?!
to clear this up: we know each other from CC, talk on ICQ about our games sometimes, and we have never taken a turn for each other, i dont know his password and he doesnt know mine. i am sure its the same with the other germans as well. sure, he'll know some of them in real life, but wheres the problem there? i know some players in real life, they are all from england though, i play games with them, whats the big deal?
so you just go ahead and make up an accusation of babysitting abuse?

i could go on about how warsteiner never was busted for cheating, he was banned from playing with a guy he knew so that the discussion about it would end, partially because he asked for it. read the thread a bit better. i know for a fact that Warsteiner was a truly exceptional player, i was one of his teammates when he was conqueror.

are you aware of the fact that noone at all takes you seriously anymore?
i remember when you put me on your foelist because i played with warsteiner... we had never played at that point, never talked, nothing. even though apparently you have unfoed me by now, let me point out that you are a joke, and a terrible player as well. the amount of rants at your bad play that i have read is sheer incredible, more than anyone elses.

[InsomniaRed]

5 SkyT - has an awsum cat avatar

SkyT's cat is rated awesome.

As for the change in the top 20...I looked and the only change I could see was comicboy was there. Other than that, I guess nothing caught my eye. I still haven't played more than 8 of those guys so I don't have much to say about them besides observations.

[FabledIntegral]

I'll make my way back to the top 20 just to add some credibility back to this site! Best player eva here.

[Scott-Land]

counted 3

Wow- tough critic !

12 Seulessliathan- too many team games playing with friends from Germany that he knows in real life/team turn taking ( account babysitting abuse )

If there's a consensus among the posters let alone the top players on the site, Seul has been definitely chosen as one of the exceptional players. If you're gonna accuse him of cheating, perhaps a dice hack would be more believable.

[comic boy]

Lets face it JR knows little about the top players because he has spent a great deal of effort avoiding them

[Prankcall]

The top players are the top scorers.Why is everything an issue.Who cares how they got to the top of the scoreboard,unless it was by cheating.Now you can argue all day saying some are better than others at certain game settings/maps,but each player at the top of the Board must be good at some level or another.

[jiminski]

The top players are the top scorers.Why is everything an issue.Who cares how they got to the top of the scoreboard,unless it was by cheating.Now you can argue all day saying some are better than others at certain game settings/maps,but each player at the top of the Board must be good at some level or another.

That is of course correct Prank and we are just talking for the sake of talking.. heh why not! that's what all of this is it not?

But again, the point I was bringing up is not if they are good or not, of course they are! it is about that little bit extra and how people see those they have played.
I used the term 'exceptional'; why not discuss it!?

I am happy to discuss any relevant factor, so long as we perceive it to have a kernel of truth. And I do think that one or 2 in there are to the top 20 what the winner of Big brother is to fame.
That could be the completely wrong assessment and perhaps all in there are far in a way the best players ever, which is why i asked for peoples experiences.

[Prankcall]

I think alot of this site put emphasis on points as a determining factor.Exceptional to me is so skewed more so because no-matter what any1 says we all expose the system in some fashion to best reach certain goals.If put to the test of defining it I would say look for the player who has Perfect Ratings and a high score,that is your truly exceptional player.He has a great score and great attitude no-matter what happens during a game he never loses his cool and his Peers agree thus his perfect ratings.Only one guy up that high with that pedigree is Seul,Poo being closest with a 4.9.That doesn't make them the best but in my opinion that's a good showing for (hey this guy is a great player and a good game attitude at all times).There are a few others with 4.9 and good score General,Joe,Comic,Velve,and tons other but are we talking personally playing versus?

[Blitzaholic]

this leaves me out darnit, lol, my passion for winning makes me mad at times, but 4.8 is not too bad considering many of them I got were bogus feedbacks cause some lost and decided to rate me low out of spite, but I never complained once about them.


I do like your stance here prank, and i did mention this before on a page or two back. all the players that high of scores are really good at something, some are better at a few things, and a few exceptional at many things or ways of playing, as long as no one cheated to get there, it bothers me none how they do it. if it were all so easy to do then why have only 12 or 13 out of over 300,000 people or more only reached 4,000 points? it is extremely difficult and ever more difficult to maintain.

[Prankcall]

Understandable.Something should be able to be done about that.

[King_Herpes]

this leaves me out darnit, lol, my passion for winning makes me mad at times, but 4.8 is not too bad considering many of them I got were bogus feedbacks cause some lost and decided to rate me low out of spite, but I never complained once about them.


I do like your stance here prank, and i did mention this before on a page or two back. all the players that high of scores are really good at something, some are better at a few things, and a few exceptional at many things or ways of playing, as long as no one cheated to get there, it bothers me none how they do it. if it were all so easy to do then why have only 12 or 13 out of over 300,000 people or more only reached 4,000 points? it is extremely difficult and ever more difficult to maintain.

Boomshakalaka!

[hulmey]

A top 20 player in my books needs not just excel on one map and setting, using clickable maps and the fastest internet connection money can buy! How about someone come up with games played dividied by points dividied medals.

[jiminski]

.... How about someone come up with games played dividied by points dividied medals.

heheh somewhere else please Hulmey..

but Prank and Blitz you are being all namby pamby .. we know instinctively who we perceive to be exceptional, stop being so point P.C. ^^.
Though in fairness i too like your definition of exceptional, for argument, for thread and to clarify my original intention.....

Your definition has no place here! heh
There is no sin in perceiving exceptional talent; Cable TV keeps afloat on it and in this case Mohamed always wins.
That was at the core of this thread.. it won't go very far just saying "You guuuys.. you guys, you are all the best, love ya!.. but we are crowning Seul king as he does a lot of work for Charity!"
.. excuse the pun but that is pointless and a bit of a cop out, at least in the context of the thread.

Now we may all have an alternative idea of who or what is exceptionally talented at this silly game and that's what interests me.
There is no need for anyone to champion the pure pursuit of points... the scoreboard already defends that.

[Elijah S]

I don't rate very many of them, because I never get a chance! The majority of ranking players have developed a system that has worked in getting them points. I.E. - Playing only private games against other ranking players; playing only one map; newb harvesting, etc.

I don't see anyone on the list that I would say is 'extraordinary', although I'm sure they're good players who make wise moves.

With the rolls I've seen some high-ranking players come up with, I've concluded that there are definitely some dice and possibly card hacks being used on this site.

But, at the end of the day, it's just a game, a past-time... and many of the "top 20" spend enough time singing their own praises that they really don't need a pat on the back from us "lesser ranks".

[Scott-Land]

.... and many of the "top 20" spend enough time singing their own praises that they really don't need a pat on the back from us "lesser ranks".

On the contrary, that's the exact opposite of what the OP was trying to accomplish. You see that Jimi is a cunning fella. By isolating the truly exceptional players (only a few mind you), he in fact points out those; he and everyone that posted for that matter; that do not belong in the Top20. i.e. manipulators.

So Eli, if you've read most of the posts... you'll understand his point. There are only a handful that are recognized as such. It was merely a facade to show you those inferior or marginally skilled players in a positive manner.