[Abandoned] - Iron Curtain

[Qwert]

well you can do only one thing(if you want) that these two issle close to estonia(now is neutral) transforme to estonian territory(these will be fixed one mistake).
Ofcourse if you want to do these.

[rustlemania]

The new additions are excellent!
In my opinion, that should solve any of those problems mentioned by Yeti earlier.
I agree that it may look better with the hammer n sickle behind the title... but i understand your desire for it to stand out.
I don't see any problem with this being "random" because in my mind, it isn't. Its the Iron Curtain (more or less). The rest of Russia proper isn't all that relevant. Certainly, there's nothing wrong with having a map that's a 'portion' of an area, especially if its the only relevant portion.
I think the mini-map and title do a great job of clearing up exactly what this map is about.
Well done!

[Qwert]

Also dont forget Albania,its whas member to.

[edbeard]

lookin' good. I agree on at least trying the title on top (or maybe just blending the sickle more)


I like your impassable solution. if you can't find any real life borders then just make 'em up and go for good gameplay. they look quite familiar for some reason. hmmmm. maybe try out this style (seemingly the borders are a basic white with a black (dark) stroke and they've been covered with red) on brazil instead of the gold and green thing you have going on there.


gameplay uuuhhh. fine I'll do it.

Volgorad: +2 maybe? 2 borders and 4 territories. I realize 5 territories from 4 continents can attack it but I dunno.

Byelorussia: seems like a +5 to me. 5 terr and 5 borders. 7 can attack it from 4 continents.

Arkhangelsk: +2

Moscow: +6 maybe. centrally placed with 4 borders. compare to Poland.

Perm: +8. 7 borders sure but also in the middle of a lot of shit.

Voronezh: +4. 4 borders attackable from 6 terr in 4 continents.

[RjBeals]

Also dont forget Albania,its whas member to.

I know - I saw that a while ago but tried to ignore it. I don't know how to get it to fit. At the moment, I would prefer to keep ignoring it, cause there's no good way to get it in there - those damn Albanians. I won't dismiss it totally though...

The new additions are excellent!
In my opinion, that should solve any of those problems mentioned by Yeti earlier.
I agree that it may look better with the hammer n sickle behind the title... but i understand your desire for it to stand out.
I don't see any problem with this being "random" because in my mind, it isn't. Its the Iron Curtain (more or less). The rest of Russia proper isn't all that relevant. Certainly, there's nothing wrong with having a map that's a 'portion' of an area, especially if its the only relevant portion.
I think the mini-map and title do a great job of clearing up exactly what this map is about.
Well done!

Rus... thanks for all the positive comments you've left so far. I feel ya in that there's no harm in choosing whatever regions I want to include in my map. If someone else wanted (or wants) to include all the regions, let them go for it. I'm trying to accomplish one goal: to make a large map (96+1) territories with clear borders and classic style gameplay. That +1 is Moldavia which really isn't a part of any bonus region. This was Rubens idea and I went with it.

lookin' good. I agree on at least trying the title on top (or maybe just blending the sickle more)


I like your impassable solution. if you can't find any real life borders then just make 'em up and go for good gameplay. they look quite familiar for some reason. hmmmm. maybe try out this style (seemingly the borders are a basic white with a black (dark) stroke and they've been covered with red) on brazil instead of the gold and green thing you have going on there.


gameplay uuuhhh. fine I'll do it.

Volgorad: +2 maybe? 2 borders and 4 territories. I realize 5 territories from 4 continents can attack it but I dunno.

Byelorussia: seems like a +5 to me. 5 terr and 5 borders. 7 can attack it from 4 continents.

Arkhangelsk: +2

Moscow: +6 maybe. centrally placed with 4 borders. compare to Poland.

Perm: +8. 7 borders sure but also in the middle of a lot of shit.

Voronezh: +4. 4 borders attackable from 6 terr in 4 continents.

First of all, thank God you're a foundry member ed. Nobody else steps up and really looks at gameplay like you do. I have much respect for you, and have for a long time. You're one of the key members of this forum.

next - I see what you're saying about the impassables - it's very similar to brazil, and I will relook at those when I start work on that map again.

gameplay - I'll look at all your suggestions. You normally make more sense than me. Also - what do you think about Moldavia? that single territ country sitting there all by itself? My thoughts are that it's kind of a gateway from the west to the east. It will be a key territ to hold. But - i don't want to have a bonus for holding it - especially in a map this size. Are you feeling that also? I also had thoughts about it being able to bombard certain territs. Like put a symbol on certain areas that it could attack. But that strays from the classic gameplay.

Anyway - thanks for the feedback guys.

[Incandenza]

A few quick things...

While Albania was indeed a founding member of the Warsaw Pact, it broke away in 1961 due to the fact that the Russians and the Chinese couldn't play nice. wiki wiki

Moldova seems fine as a null terit... or it could amplify surrounding continents, sort of a limited Alcatraz, a "Hold Moldova and adjacent continent, +1" kind of thing.

I'm glad you decided not to put in the rest of the soviet union.

I'm not a fan of the geographical inset. I mean, really really not a fan. This is pretty basic geography on Planet Earth, I don't see why there needs to be a big graphic announcing "this is where we're fightin' , guys!", especially since the title of the map pretty well describes the location. And the Warsaw Pact isn't exactly ancient history. Anyone that has true difficulty figuring out what's being pictured by this map... well, I would have to question the quality of their schooling and their overall intellectual curiosity.

Speaking of the title... the wrought-iron-gate background doesn't seem very, well, "Iron Curtain"-ish... what if it were some sort of stylized Berlin Wall, concrete with barbed wire and searchlights, with the map title and a hammer 'n sickle embossed (more like chiseled) into the wall?

It's a great map, keep up the always splendid work.

[TaCktiX]

Can I drool over that hammer and sickle? I mean, DAMN that thing is pretty. I don't mind the title obscuring at all, as most people who have lived in Western society any time in the last 25 years will be able to figure the title out without any trouble, and it adds to the cruelty of the map nicely (you are not allowed to even see the title, so says the Kremlin!).

[The Neon Peon]

A map of half my ancestry! well done, just add the other half of the (former) soviet union and you will include everywhere I have relatives. Nice map by the way, good graphics, and a lost of territories, always good for a map. This will probably be the best standard map (no weird rules) in my opinion.

[Sven Hassel]

you could put Moldova in the Romania continent, it was in fact romanian land known as Basarabia

[The Neon Peon]

and could you make the moscow bonus 6 or 7, I think 5 is a waste to go for it, it is in the center of the map and has as many territory borders, but gets less than poland

[RjBeals]

Thanks for all the feedback guys - i'll look into all of it soon.

[MrBenn]

I've never been a big fan of the fence detail... I'd prefer something that looks a bit like this (without the cityscape in the background )

[pamoa]

You are so british Mr Benn

[Androidz]

Just a tought since you have a theme problem.

Could you call it Iron Curtain Western Part or something? That will requiere you to make a eastern part to tough. Or Call it Iron Curtain Europe, then you need to have one more called Iron Curtain Asia. When Size lifted you combine them.

[Incandenza]

Just a tought since you have a theme problem.

Could you call it Iron Curtain Western Part or something? That will requiere you to make a eastern part to tough. Or Call it Iron Curtain Europe, then you need to have one more called Iron Curtain Asia. When Size lifted you combine them.

There was no Iron Curtain in Asia. Any sort of Communist-Capitalist boundary in Asia was colloquially known as the Bamboo Curtain. The Iron Curtain was an exclusively European affair...

[The Neon Peon]

Just a tought since you have a theme problem.

Could you call it Iron Curtain Western Part or something? That will requiere you to make a eastern part to tough. Or Call it Iron Curtain Europe, then you need to have one more called Iron Curtain Asia. When Size lifted you combine them.

There was no Iron Curtain in Asia. Any sort of Communist-Capitalist boundary in Asia was colloquially known as the Bamboo Curtain. The Iron Curtain was an exclusively European affair...

Comical yet correct. The Russia territories in Asia are very remote and were never governed totally by communism (too far out).

[Androidz]

Just a tought since you have a theme problem.

Could you call it Iron Curtain Western Part or something? That will requiere you to make a eastern part to tough. Or Call it Iron Curtain Europe, then you need to have one more called Iron Curtain Asia. When Size lifted you combine them.

There was no Iron Curtain in Asia. Any sort of Communist-Capitalist boundary in Asia was colloquially known as the Bamboo Curtain. The Iron Curtain was an exclusively European affair...

I Was just judgeing from the minimap since i tought it was marked by red. I tought it mean thats the ironcurtain places..(since i dont know nothing about it..)

[ZeekLTK]

you could put Moldova in the Romania continent, it was in fact romanian land known as Basarabia

I was going to post something like this too... why is Moldova an independent territory?

However, I think it would go better with the Ukraine bonus, as it already appears to "fit" into that continent.

[RjBeals]

You don't like the fence Benn... come on. It's so Iron!

Could you call it Iron Curtain Western Part or ... Iron Curtain Europe

I don't really care for either of those options. I would prefer stick with the current title and regions.

you could put Moldova in the Romania continent, it was in fact romanian land known as Basarabia

I'll do this. It makes the most sense - I hated that neutral territory sitting there anyway.

[lt1001]

Wow, this map is amazing!

However you could do with some special rules - with no special rules there's nothing that makes this map different than just a block of territories.

[The Neon Peon]

Wow, this map is amazing!

However you could do with some special rules - with no special rules there's nothing that makes this map different than just a block of territories.

Nay! One of the most popular maps World 2.1 had no special rules. There are many complex maps out there already, especially with the newly quenched ones. The point so of a large standard map is for things such as no cards, adjacent, fog. Darn... really want to play that on this map. Fits so well with the theme and a really good playing style

[MrBenn]

You don't like the fence Benn... come on. It's so Iron!

I just want something that shouts "Keep Out"... I think the current one looks a bit too meshy - I'm thinking of something imposing and daunting - if you can capture that in a fence?

[Androidz]

But then iron curtain is correct and then it wont be a theme problem. Since in asia it was Bambo Curtain, and thats half of russia. So he dont need to add the rest of the russia places..

[RjBeals]

[bigimg]http://www.rjbeals.com/ironcurtain/IronCurtain_Rev-09.jpg[/bigimg]

well you can do only one thing(if you want) that these two issle close to estonia(now is neutral) transforme to estonian territory(these will be fixed one mistake).

Done.

Volgorad: +2
Byelorussia: seems like a +5 to me.
Arkhangelsk: +2
Perm: +8.
Voronezh: +4.

Done.

you could put Moldova in the Romania continent, it was in fact romanian land known as Basarabia

Done.

and could you make the moscow bonus 6 or 7

Done. I also added 1 more territory to the very far north. So I gave it a 7 bonus.

So... I added 2 more territories to the map - The islands Saaremaa & Hiiumaa (Part of the Baltic Republics), and Karella in Moscow region. I moved Murmansk above it, which is more geographically correct. So now, in total there are 99 regions. Whew!

I also removed the inset map and replaced it with a scroll and blurb about the region. Anyone like this? Is the wording okay? Does the scroll fit into the map, or does it look to pirate? I hope it briefly explains where the map is.

Also added stars on 3 regions (East, South & West). These 3 territories can attack each other. Since the map is so large, I felt there needed to be a way to jump around the board. I don't want bombardments, but portals. I started this with little Russian tanks sitting on those spaces, but I think that would imply bombardments. Also, the map has enough going on, and the tanks just added a little confusion. The stars blend in nicely to the background map, but they are noticeable enough to look for an explanation on the map of what they mean.

Also added some non-playable map borders, to the red land areas. Just to touch it up a bit.

I still haven't addressed the Iron Fence, but will look into an alternative. I may create a wall up the west side of the map, to represent the real iron curtain. Dunno yet.

[ZeakCytho]

I'm not crazy about the star-portal things. Is it really necessary from a gameplay point of view? Someone more experienced with gameplay should probably address this. If it makes the gameplay much smoother, than go with it, but if it doesn't, I'm inclined to want to keep this map simple.

I'm not sure the scroll in the top left really fits the style of the rest of the map? It feels more like something from the 1700s than the Cold War. The text of the scroll is good, though.

I still feel the minimap box should not have a transparent background. Right now, it feels very odd to me that the background of the minimap is not what the background of that part of Eurasia looks like. I'd much prefer it if you shrunk the whole map instead of just the playable area. If you really don't want to do this, then could you not put the minimap in a box? That could also fix the problem. Or maybe I'm just crazy.