AndyDufresne wrote:Back to the Common Sense, if you are going to essentially troll with an avatar, or signature, or image in your post, you will be dealt with accordingly. Nobody likes trolls, no matter what form they come in.
But how are you going to judge intention? For all I know that guy with the blackface-av was innocently using something he found and didn't know it was offensive. I'm from the Netherlands, we have what people call "blackface" in one of our national holidays and I'm certain people using it do so with no intent of racism yet I can see why people would think it is. (Mostly people from different countries, as I've never heard my friends say anything about it.)
And what about the BpB sig? The intent there had nothing to do with China, yet Nightstrike said it would not be allowed. Does the intent there matter? I'm sure I'm one of the few people who got the meaning behind it that was not intended, so should it be taken down?
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
Duane: You know what they say about love and war. Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
That's why we given out warnings before any harsher actions...to warn people if they've accidentally stepped over the line. Such was done in this case, in addition, whenever there is an avatar that breaks the forum guidelines, it is removed, as was also done in this case.
AndyDufresne wrote:That's why we given out warnings before any harsher actions...to warn people if they've accidentally stepped over the line. Such was done in this case, in addition, whenever there is an avatar that breaks the forum guidelines, it is removed, as was also done in this case.
--Andy
Well isnt the muslim with a bomb on his head racist????? Isnt owenshooter's avatar religion bashing? And done with intent ?
AndyDufresne wrote:That's why we given out warnings before any harsher actions...to warn people if they've accidentally stepped over the line. Such was done in this case, in addition, whenever there is an avatar that breaks the forum guidelines, it is removed, as was also done in this case.
--Andy
Well isnt the muslim with a bomb on his head racist????? Isnt owenshooter's avatar religion bashing? And done with intent ?
i can not speak for brett, but it falls under the "art work" rule i was given by a mod. and as far as my avatar goes, ony 4 of you have complained about it, after you knew what it was. it is an award winning, government funded piece of artwork that the supreme court ruled was not offensive. art is art... and nobody would have known what it was had jbrettlip not pressed the issue trying to find out what the guidelines were. i have no intent to offend anyone, and my avatar is going to remain.-0
p.s.-hulmey, why don't you go look up "piss christ" on wikipedia or any other internet info machine, and learn a bit about the art before you deem it as religion bashing. you didn't even know what it was prior to being told, and were not offended. yet somehow, once you were TOLD and GUIDED to the fact that you should be offended... you were... way to think for yourself!!
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Thorthoth,"Cloaking one's C&A fetish with moral authority and righteous indignation makes it ever so much more erotically thrilling"
AndyDufresne wrote:That's why we given out warnings before any harsher actions...to warn people if they've accidentally stepped over the line. Such was done in this case, in addition, whenever there is an avatar that breaks the forum guidelines, it is removed, as was also done in this case.
--Andy
Well isnt the muslim with a bomb on his head racist????? Isnt owenshooter's avatar religion bashing? And done with intent ?
i can not speak for brett, but it falls under the "art work" rule i was given by a mod. and as far as my avatar goes, ony 4 of you have complained about it, after you knew what it was. it is an award winning, government funded piece of artwork that the supreme court ruled was not offensive. art is art... and nobody would have known what it was had jbrettlip not pressed the issue trying to find out what the guidelines were. i have no intent to offend anyone, and my avatar is going to remain.-0
I cant really care what some judge in america proclaimed. America is a country without morales anyway. Once someone knows what it is, then it is offensive!! Why should someone remove their blackface avatar if u aint even gonna get rid of your poor taste in art!!
hulmey wrote: America is a country without morales anyway.
You are absolutely correct. Last I checked, Morales was the President of Bolivia, not the USA. Thank you for your keen insight on this issue.
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
Snorri1234 wrote:And what about the BpB sig? The intent there had nothing to do with China, yet Nightstrike said it would not be allowed. Does the intent there matter? I'm sure I'm one of the few people who got the meaning behind it that was not intended, so should it be taken down?
night strike had not seen the sig in question, and had only read your inflammatory, yet informative post... i am sure he is now fine with it, since we discussed it via pm... if you have an issue with it, please go to cheats & abuse and report it, so the mods can have a closer look. and while you are at it, please report the web site you culled your image from in your post... and not to mention the thousands of newspapers worldwide that ran editorial comics with cuffs as the olympics rings. i was unaware of it until you pointed it out to me, so i looked it up. perhaps, since it is being so widely distributed in the western world, you should file your complaint with the chinese gov, so they can deal with vace cooper and his creation privately.-0
Thorthoth,"Cloaking one's C&A fetish with moral authority and righteous indignation makes it ever so much more erotically thrilling"
By the way, this thread is an exercise in proving that people really only read what they want to read, at least the majority of people responding to this thread.
How many times now has Owen needed to explicitly restate the point and purpose of this thread?
Either people are deliberately trying derail the thread with red herring arguments or are too stupid to comprehend the words in front of their eyes.
And either conclusion sucks.
jay_a2j wrote:hey if any1 would like me to make them a signature or like an avator just let me no, my sig below i did, and i also did "panther 88" so i can do something like that for u if ud like...
hulmey wrote:Why should someone remove their blackface avatar if u aint even gonna get rid of your poor taste in art!!
i am not asking for it to be removed, i was asking for an explaination as to how it was deemed not offensive, and where the guidelines were for avatars. first i was told it was "art work" and then i was told about a "common sense" guideline used on avatars... i just wanted to understand why one avatar is offensive, and another is not. once the mods gave me a ruling, i respected it, as i always do, i simply wanted clarification since it seemed so askew. try to read a bit closer, hulmey...-0
Thorthoth,"Cloaking one's C&A fetish with moral authority and righteous indignation makes it ever so much more erotically thrilling"
owenshooter wrote:on that note, something to ease our eyeballs from another thread. all the ballbusters avatars at your fingertips for your enjoyment!!-0
hulmey wrote:Why should someone remove their blackface avatar if u aint even gonna get rid of your poor taste in art!!
i am not asking for it to be removed, i was asking for an explaination as to how it was deemed not offensive, and where the guidelines were for avatars. first i was told it was "art work" and then i was told about a "common sense" guideline used on avatars... i just wanted to understand why one avatar is offensive, and another is not. once the mods gave me a ruling, i respected it, as i always do, i simply wanted clarification since it seemed so askew. try to read a bit closer, hulmey...-0
They dont ahve guidelines for offensive and abusive usernames or avatar's. They are judged on a case by case basis. However, brett's avatar was specifically attacking wicked!!
hulmey wrote:They dont ahve guidelines for offensive and abusive usernames or avatar's. They are judged on a case by case basis. However, brett's avatar was specifically attacking wicked!!
well, even though i didn't mention that avatar specifically, i guess i'll address it since you did... it didn't have her name on it. it didnt' have her likeness on it. it was a pic of jbrettlip with a real tick in his hand stating, "i love lymes". what if he had a pic of a deer in the photo with him, with the same line? anyway, brett removed it of his own volition, and even told the admin that asked him to, the exact day he would do so. he got his point across and moved on to a more subtle avatar of sliced limes with "i love limes" in the avatar. how is that offensive? in my opinion it was satire.-0
Thorthoth,"Cloaking one's C&A fetish with moral authority and righteous indignation makes it ever so much more erotically thrilling"
on a final note about the ruling i was given, judges are required to author decisions -- meaning explanation behind their rulings.
my request, under that pretense, is not only completely appropriate, but a gracious reminder to the oversight of the mods that issued the hastily prepared (and unexplained) 'decision' in the first place. i think andy for his time and will be moving over to cheats & abuse, as he suggested.-0
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Thorthoth,"Cloaking one's C&A fetish with moral authority and righteous indignation makes it ever so much more erotically thrilling"
Given enough rope Owen shooter will hang himself, provide him with enough subliminal taunts, and he will eventually shoot his feet out, just like the people he tries to shoot himself.
Snorri1234 wrote:And what about the BpB sig? The intent there had nothing to do with China, yet Nightstrike said it would not be allowed. Does the intent there matter? I'm sure I'm one of the few people who got the meaning behind it that was not intended, so should it be taken down?
night strike had not seen the sig in question, and had only read your inflammatory, yet informative post... i am sure he is now fine with it, since we discussed it via pm... if you have an issue with it, please go to cheats & abuse and report it, so the mods can have a closer look. and while you are at it, please report the web site you culled your image from in your post... and not to mention the thousands of newspapers worldwide that ran editorial comics with cuffs as the olympics rings. i was unaware of it until you pointed it out to me, so i looked it up. perhaps, since it is being so widely distributed in the western world, you should file your complaint with the chinese gov, so they can deal with vace cooper and his creation privately.-0
Why would I do that? I don't care about this. Shit, you could say "I HATE CHINA" in your sig and it wouldn't bother me. You could say anything in your av or sig and it would't bother me in the slightest. I'm a staunch free-speech advocate and believe that anyone should be able to say whatever the hell they want.
I brought up this issue because I just like being a pedantic arse.
"Some motherfuckers are always trying to ice skate uphill."
Duane: You know what they say about love and war. Tim: Yes, one involves a lot of physical and psychological pain, and the other one's war.
Snorri1234 wrote:And what about the BpB sig? The intent there had nothing to do with China, yet Nightstrike said it would not be allowed. Does the intent there matter? I'm sure I'm one of the few people who got the meaning behind it that was not intended, so should it be taken down?
night strike had not seen the sig in question, and had only read your inflammatory, yet informative post... i am sure he is now fine with it, since we discussed it via pm... if you have an issue with it, please go to cheats & abuse and report it, so the mods can have a closer look. and while you are at it, please report the web site you culled your image from in your post... and not to mention the thousands of newspapers worldwide that ran editorial comics with cuffs as the olympics rings. i was unaware of it until you pointed it out to me, so i looked it up. perhaps, since it is being so widely distributed in the western world, you should file your complaint with the chinese gov, so they can deal with vace cooper and his creation privately.-0
Why would I do that? I don't care about this. Shit, you could say "I HATE CHINA" in your sig and it wouldn't bother me. You could say anything in your av or sig and it would't bother me in the slightest. I'm a staunch free-speech advocate and believe that anyone should be able to say whatever the hell they want.
I brought up this issue because I just like being a pedantic arse.
owenshooter wrote:on a final note about the ruling i was given, judges are required to author decisions -- meaning explanation behind their rulings.
my request, under that pretense, is not only completely appropriate, but a gracious reminder to the oversight of the mods that issued the hastily prepared (and unexplained) 'decision' in the first place.-0
It seems to me Owen, that you are an attention seeker of the highest order.
Your Idea of fun, is at the cost of other peoples misery.
If you can find an Avatar that is fitting to this testimony, then our attention for you , will be exactly the same time span, as it was before..
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thanks andy... i think it's almost done.. i am going to go to cheats and abuse as you suggested.. i am not saying to lock it, but we are getting close... the issue/question was answered, and now it seems everyone is having a bit of fun, which i don't mind.. even the trolls that are peeking out of the darkness of flame wars 17 pages late... ha...-0
Thorthoth,"Cloaking one's C&A fetish with moral authority and righteous indignation makes it ever so much more erotically thrilling"
