Forbidden City [Quenched]

[Incandenza]

So, just to feel like I've got a handle on this, when it comes to the border terits, the colored lines attached to the "core" terit image is still considered part of the terit, thus demarkating borders perhaps far beyond where the army # is. If that's the case, then I get it, but I still feel like the legend could do a bit better job of explaining that concept, given that it's a pretty important one. The whole "I expect people to rely on map inspect" is a bit of a slippery slope, and I'm of the opinion that someone should only have to use map inspect for a few gray areas as opposed to half the map.

Also, the bonuses for Ming and Qing seem very very high. Given how versatile they are, and given that a two-terit continent is breathtakingly easy to drop (especially in 1v1), I'd be inclined to say that they should bring no bonus whatsoever, or at most a +1. I realize that they'd be very difficult to hold, but their value lies in the fact that they connect to most of the rest of the map in one way or another.... I'm reminded of the depowering of the bonus for the helipads on KotM.

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So, just to feel like I've got a handle on this, when it comes to the border terits, the colored lines attached to the "core" terit image is still considered part of the terit, thus demarkating borders perhaps far beyond where the army # is. If that's the case, then I get it, but I still feel like the legend could do a bit better job of explaining that concept, given that it's a pretty important one. The whole "I expect people to rely on map inspect" is a bit of a slippery slope, and I'm of the opinion that someone should only have to use map inspect for a few gray areas as opposed to half the map.

Yes most of the borders are far from teh army number. But i thought that the map would have made that clear enough without relying on map inspect.

Also, the bonuses for Ming and Qing seem very very high. Given how versatile they are, and given that a two-terit continent is breathtakingly easy to drop (especially in 1v1), I'd be inclined to say that they should bring no bonus whatsoever, or at most a +1. I realize that they'd be very difficult to hold, but their value lies in the fact that they connect to most of the rest of the map in one way or another.... I'm reminded of the depowering of the bonus for the helipads on KotM.

I'm hearing you on this one but before we go further, perhaps you like to inspect the xml below so you can see what is able to attack the Emperor's....i've just finished processing this through the xml tools and kevinc's map reader to ensure every border is in place.

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<?xml version="1.0" ?>
<map>
  <title>The Forbidden City</title>
  <smallwidth>630</smallwidth>
  <smallheight>600</smallheight>
  <largewidth>800</largewidth>
  <largeheight>762</largeheight>
  <filetype>jpg</filetype>

<continent>
  <name>8 Nations Alliance</name>
  <bonus>6</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Russia</territory>
   <territory>A-H Empire</territory>
   <territory>Germany</territory>
   <territory>U.S.A.</territory>
   <territory>Japan</territory>
   <territory>Italy</territory>
   <territory>France</territory>
   <territory>Britain</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Kuomintang</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Song Jiaoren</territory>
   <territory>Sun Yat-sen</territory>
   <territory>KMT Army</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Foreigners</name>
  <bonus>2</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Inland Missions</territory>
   <territory>Societies</territory>
   <territory>Christians</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>The Boxers</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Prince Juan</territory>
   <territory>Yuan Shih-kai</territory>
   <territory>Li Yuanhung</territory>
   <territory>Wu Chow</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>The Peasants</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Peasants</territory>
   <territory>Li Zicheng</territory>
   <territory>Imperial Army</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Gates</name>
  <bonus>10</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Shenwu Gate West</territory>
   <territory>Shenwu Gate East</territory>
   <territory>W Glorious Gate North</territory>
   <territory>W Glorious Gate South</territory>
   <territory>E Glorious Gate North</territory>
   <territory>E Glorious Gate South</territory>
   <territory>Wu Gate West</territory>
   <territory>Wu Gate East</territory>
   <territory>Wu Gate</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Towers</name>
  <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>NW Tower</territory>
   <territory>NE Tower</territory>
   <territory>SW Tower</territory>
   <territory>SE Tower</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Ming</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Emp. Cheng-tsu</territory>
   <territory>Emp. XianZong</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Qing</name>
  <bonus>4</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Emp. Pu Yi</territory>
   <territory>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Gardens</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Imperial Garden</territory>
   <territory>Kung Ming Garden</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Inner Court</name>
  <bonus>3</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>W Inner Court</territory>
   <territory>E Inner Court</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Palaces</name>
  <bonus>8</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Lung Tsi Pavillion</territory>
   <territory>Kindness Palace</territory>
   <territory>Exuberance Palace</territory>
   <territory>Eternal Spring Palace</territory>
   <territory>Emperess's Palace</territory>
   <territory>Emperors' Palace</territory>
   <territory>Concubines' Palace</territory>
   <territory>Ancestors' Palace</territory>
   <territory>Tranquil Longevity Palace</territory>
   <territory>Crown Princes' Palace</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Priests</name>
  <bonus>1</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Shamon Priests</territory>
   <territory>Taoist Priests</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Eunuchs</name>
  <bonus>7</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Imp Kitchen</territory>
   <territory>Imperial Taster</territory>
   <territory>Fu</territory>
   <territory>Chi</territory>
   <territory>Cheng</territory>
   <territory>Yo</territory>
   <territory>Cai</territory>
   <territory>Li</territory>
   <territory>Tsi</territory>
   <territory>Pao</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Outer Courts</name>
  <bonus>10</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>SW Court</territory>
   <territory>SW Inner Court</territory>
   <territory>Sea of Flagstones</territory>
   <territory>Inner NE Court</territory>
   <territory>NE Outer Court</territory>
   <territory>SW Outer Court</territory>
   <territory>Five Bridges Court</territory>
   <territory>SE Outer Court</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<continent>
  <name>Great Halls</name>
  <bonus>9</bonus>
   <components>
   <territory>Grand Council</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Preserving Harmony</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Central Harmony</territory>
   <territory>Hall of Supreme Harmony</territory>
   <territory>Archery Hall</territory>
   <territory>Hall Imperial Household</territory>
   <territory>Military Eminance Hall</territory>
   <territory>Literary Glory Hall</territory>
   <territory>NanXun Hall</territory>
   </components>
</continent>

<!-- End Continents -->

<!-- Start 8 Nations Alliance -->

<territory>
  <name>Italy</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Japan</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>176</smallx>
         <smally>42</smally>
         <largex>225</largex>
         <largey>47</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>A-H Empire</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Russia</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>245</smallx>
         <smally>40</smally>
         <largex>312</largex>
         <largey>45</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Germany</name>
   <borders>
   <border>France</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>530</smallx>
         <smally>43</smally>
         <largex>674</largex>
         <largey>49</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>U.S.A.</name>
   <borders>
   <border>France</border>
   <border>Britain</border>
   <border>Inland Missions</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>599</smallx>
         <smally>43</smally>
         <largex>762</largex>
         <largey>49</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Japan</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Italy</border>
   <border>Russia</border>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   <border>Sun Yat-sen</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>235</smallx>
         <smally>82</smally>
         <largex>299</largex>
         <largey>98</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Russia</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Japan</border>
   <border>A-H Empire</border>
   <border>France</border>
   <border>Shenwu Gate West</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>299</smallx>
         <smally>83</smally>
         <largex>381</largex>
         <largey>99</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>France</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Russia</border>
   <border>Germany</border>
   <border>U.S.A.</border>
   <border>Shenwu Gate East</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>464</smallx>
         <smally>85</smally>
         <largex>590</largex>
         <largey>102</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Britain</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Prince Juan</border>
   <border>U.S.A.</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>530</smallx>
         <smally>83</smally>
         <largex>674</largex>
         <largey>99</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

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<territory>
  <name>Song Jiaoren</name>
   <borders>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>163</smallx>
         <smally>113</smally>
         <largex>208</largex>
         <largey>138</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Sun Yat-sen</name>
   <borders>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   <border>Japan</border>
   <border>Peasants</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>160</smallx>
         <smally>179</smally>
         <largex>204</largex>
         <largey>221</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>KMT Army</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Song Jiaoren</border>
   <border>Sun Yat-sen</border>
   <border>Peasants</border>
   <border>Li Zicheng</border>
   <border>Imperial Army</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Japan</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>161</smallx>
         <smally>246</smally>
         <largex>206</largex>
         <largey>306</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

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<!-- Start Foreigners -->

<territory>
  <name>Inland Missions</name>
   <borders>
   <border>U.S.A.</border>
   <border>Prince Juan</border>
   <border>Societies</border>
   <border>Christians</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>596</smallx>
         <smally>89</smally>
         <largex>758</largex>
         <largey>107</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Societies</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Inland Missions</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>598</smallx>
         <smally>158</smally>
         <largex>760</largex>
         <largey>195</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Christians</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Inland Missions</border>
   <border>Prince Juan</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>598</smallx>
         <smally>226</smally>
         <largex>760</largex>
         <largey>281</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

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<territory>
  <name>Prince Juan</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Britain</border>
   <border>Inland Missions</border>
   <border>E Glorious Gate North</border>
   <border>Yuan Shih-kai</border>
   <border>Christians</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>596</smallx>
         <smally>302</smally>
         <largex>758</largex>
         <largey>378</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Yuan Shih-kai</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Prince Juan</border>
   <border>Li Yuanhung</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>598</smallx>
         <smally>370</smally>
         <largex>760</largex>
         <largey>464</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Li Yuanhung</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Yuan Shih-kai</border>
   <border>Wu Chow</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>432</smally>
         <largex>759</largex>
         <largey>543</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Wu Chow</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Wu Gate East</border>
   <border>Li Yuanhung</border>
   <border>E Glorious Gate South</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>596</smallx>
         <smally>494</smally>
         <largex>758</largex>
         <largey>621</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

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<territory>
  <name>Peasants</name>
   <borders>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   <border>W Glorious Gate North</border>
   <border>Li Zicheng</border>
   <border>Sun Yat-sen</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>317</smally>
         <largex>207</largex>
         <largey>397</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Li Zicheng</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Peasants</border>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>389</smally>
         <largex>206</largex>
         <largey>488</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Imperial Army</name>
   <borders>
   <border>W Glorious Gate South</border>
   <border>Wu Gate West</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>KMT Army</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>467</smally>
         <largex>207</largex>
         <largey>587</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

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  <name>Shenwu Gate West</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Shenwu Gate East</border>
   <border>Cheng</border>
   <border>Russia</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   <border>NW Tower</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>112</smally>
         <largex>454</largex>
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</territory>

<territory>
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   <borders>
   <border>Shenwu Gate West</border>
   <border>Yo</border>
   <border>France</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   <border>NE Tower</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>111</smally>
         <largex>499</largex>
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      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>W Glorious Gate North</name>
   <borders>
   <border>W Glorious Gate South</border>
   <border>SW Court</border>
   <border>NW Tower</border>
   <border>Peasants</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>400</smally>
         <largex>265</largex>
         <largey>502</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>W Glorious Gate South</name>
   <borders>
   <border>W Glorious Gate North</border>
   <border>SW Outer Court</border>
   <border>SW Tower</border>
   <border>Imperial Army</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>429</smally>
         <largex>266</largex>
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</territory>

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   <borders>
   <border>E Glorious Gate South</border>
   <border>NE Outer Court</border>
   <border>NE Tower</border>
   <border>Prince Juan</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>410</smally>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>E Glorious Gate South</name>
   <borders>
   <border>E Glorious Gate North</border>
   <border>SE Outer Court</border>
   <border>SE Tower</border>
   <border>Wu Chow</border>
   </borders>
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         <smally>434</smally>
         <largex>689</largex>
         <largey>545</largey>
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</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Wu Gate</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Wu Gate West</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   <border>Wu Gate East</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>492</smally>
         <largex>477</largex>
         <largey>619</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Wu Gate East</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Wu Gate</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Wu Chow</border>
   <border>SE Tower</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>505</smally>
         <largex>515</largex>
         <largey>635</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Wu Gate West</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Wu Gate</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Imperial Army</border>
   <border>SW Tower</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
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         <smally>504</smally>
         <largex>443</largex>
         <largey>634</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End Gates -->

<!-- Start Towers -->

<territory>
  <name>NW Tower</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Shenwu Gate West</border>
   <border>W Glorious Gate North</border>
   </borders>
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  <name>Emp. Cheng-tsu</name>
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   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
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   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
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<territory>
  <name>NE Outer Court</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Inner NE Court</border>
   <border>E Glorious Gate North</border>
   <border>SE Outer Court</border>
   <border>Literary Glory Hall</border>
   <border>Crown Princes' Palace</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>517</smallx>
         <smally>360</smally>
         <largex>658</largex>
         <largey>451</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>SE Outer Court</name>
   <borders>
   <border>NE Outer Court</border>
   <border>E Glorious Gate South</border>
   <border>Five Bridges Court</border>
   <border>Literary Glory Hall</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>482</smallx>
         <smally>455</smally>
         <largex>613</largex>
         <largey>572</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End Outer Courts -->

<!-- Start Great Halls -->

<territory>
  <name>Hall Imperial Household</name>
   <borders>
   <border>SW Court</border>
   <border>SW Inner Court</border>
   <border>Military Eminance Hall</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>292</smallx>
         <smally>353</smally>
         <largex>372</largex>
         <largey>442</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Military Eminance Hall</name>
   <borders>
   <border>SW Inner Court</border>
   <border>SW Outer Court</border>
   <border>Hall Imperial Household</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>279</smallx>
         <smally>425</smally>
         <largex>355</largex>
         <largey>534</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Grand Council</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Imperial Taster</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>327</smallx>
         <smally>233</smally>
         <largex>416</largex>
         <largey>290</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Hall of Preserving Harmony</name>
   <borders>
   <border>W Inner Court</border>
   <border>E Inner Court</border>
   <border>Hall of Central Harmony</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>374</smallx>
         <smally>280</smally>
         <largex>476</largex>
         <largey>350</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Hall of Central Harmony</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Hall of Supreme Harmony</border>
   <border>Hall of Preserving Harmony</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   <border>Archery Hall</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>375</smallx>
         <smally>316</smally>
         <largex>477</largex>
         <largey>395</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Hall of Supreme Harmony</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Hall of Central Harmony</border>
   <border>Sea of Flagstones</border>
   <border>Emp. Cheng-tsu</border>
   <border>Emp. XianZong</border>
   <border>Emp. Pu Yi</border>
   <border>Emps. Tsu-Hsi</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>375</smallx>
         <smally>350</smally>
         <largex>477</largex>
         <largey>439</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Archery Hall</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Inner NE Court</border>
   <border>Hall of Central Harmony</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>439</smallx>
         <smally>311</smally>
         <largex>559</largex>
         <largey>389</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>Literary Glory Hall</name>
   <borders>
   <border>Inner NE Court</border>
   <border>NE Outer Court</border>
   <border>SE Outer Court</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>467</smallx>
         <smally>423</smally>
         <largex>594</largex>
         <largey>531</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<territory>
  <name>NanXun Hall</name>
   <borders>
   <border>SW Outer Court</border>
   </borders>
      <coordinates>
         <smallx>300</smallx>
         <smally>480</smally>
         <largex>382</largex>
         <largey>604</largey>
      </coordinates>
</territory>

<!-- End of Great Halls -->

</map>

[Incandenza]

Yes most of the borders are far from teh army number. But i thought that the map would have made that clear enough without relying on map inspect.

Maybe I just have a mental block, like when I'm flailing about in Great Lakes...

Also, the bonuses for Ming and Qing seem very very high. Given how versatile they are, and given that a two-terit continent is breathtakingly easy to drop (especially in 1v1), I'd be inclined to say that they should bring no bonus whatsoever, or at most a +1. I realize that they'd be very difficult to hold, but their value lies in the fact that they connect to most of the rest of the map in one way or another.... I'm reminded of the depowering of the bonus for the helipads on KotM.

I'm hearing you on this one but before we go further, perhaps you like to inspect the xml below so you can see what is able to attack the Emperor's....i've just finished processing this through the xml tools and kevinc's map reader to ensure every border is in place.

[/quote]

Ah, I see now what you mean. Seriously, these borders are messing with me...Frighteningly, I actually looked at the xml, and I see a couple small issues:

For all four, "Pu" should instead be "Cheng".

The line between the two Ming emperors seems extraneous, as the Qing emperors can attack each other without a similar line denotation. If it's meant to imply that Xian Zong can attack Imperial Army (which it can in the xml), then it seems to somewhat stretch (if not outright violate) the border concept you've got going.

I don't do xml really, so it seems like a lot of terits are labeled as borders of other terits that they wouldn't seem to be able to attack (i.e. the terits along the yellow line <border> the emperors). But I'm willing to chalk this down to my complete fucking failure when it comes to code that's not on the level of html tags.

[cairnswk]

...Ah, I see now what you mean. Seriously, these borders are messing with me...Frighteningly, I actually looked at the xml, and I see a couple small issues:

For all four, "Pu" should instead be "Cheng".

That should be fixed now, Po also needed changing to Cai. Thanks for that pick-up.

The line between the two Ming emperors seems extraneous, as the Qing emperors can attack each other without a similar line denotation. If it's meant to imply that Xian Zong can attack Imperial Army (which it can in the xml), then it seems to somewhat stretch (if not outright violate) the border concept you've got going.

yes i agree, but at least there is a border indicator there, and i would prefer to have something there rather than everyone screaming murder.

I don't do xml really, so it seems like a lot of terits are labeled as borders of other terits that they wouldn't seem to be able to attack (i.e. the terits along the yellow line <border> the emperors). But I'm willing to chalk this down to my complete fucking failure when it comes to code that's not on the level of html tags.

You've done well to understand that.

So you still think the bonuses on the Emperors should be changed given that they have to defened against some 15 territories. You see, everyone is out to get the Emperor because he's worth so much.
And at least one of each of the Dynasties will start neutral.

[Incandenza]

The line between the two Ming emperors seems extraneous, as the Qing emperors can attack each other without a similar line denotation. If it's meant to imply that Xian Zong can attack Imperial Army (which it can in the xml), then it seems to somewhat stretch (if not outright violate) the border concept you've got going.

yes i agree, but at least there is a border indicator there, and i would prefer to have something there rather than everyone screaming murder.

Then there needs to be a border for both.... and is Xian Zong supposed to be able to attack Imperial Army?

So you still think the bonuses on the Emperors should be changed given that they have to defened against some 15 territories. You see, everyone is out to get the Emperor because he's worth so much.

Yes, if for no other reason than that it would be really easy to get on a drop. Regardless of how many terits can attack it (and the legend makes it sound as if the emperors can attack on the yellow line and not vice versa so if indeed the yellow line terits can attack the emperors, such should be made clear), a two-terit continent being worth +3 or +4 is too much.

And at least one of each of the Dynasties will start neutral.

By design?

[cairnswk]

...yes i agree, but at least there is a border indicator there, and i would prefer to have something there rather than everyone screaming murder.

Then there needs to be a border for both.... and is Xian Zong supposed to be able to attack Imperial Army?

Fixed in next version.

So you still think the bonuses on the Emperors should be changed given that they have to defened against some 15 territories. You see, everyone is out to get the Emperor because he's worth so much.

Yes, if for no other reason than that it would be really easy to get on a drop. Regardless of how many terits can attack it (and the legend makes it sound as if the emperors can attack on the yellow line and not vice versa so if indeed the yellow line terits can attack the emperors, such should be made clear), a two-terit continent being worth +3 or +4 is too much.

OK....bonuses for Dynasties dropped to +1

And at least one of each of the Dynasties will start neutral.

By design?

Well, this...as has been pointed out repeatedly to me....stops people from getting the early advantage where there are two territory continents, one of them should start neutral.

[cairnswk]

Version 24.
1. emperors attack clarified
2. border to ming emperor from imp army fixed
3. tried to change the lanterns to something more imperial looking but it doesn't work because of the intricacy of imperial lanterns design, the ones i have there now are best to encompass the territory design.

[bigimg]http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282/cairnswk/forbidden%20city/forbidden_city_V24S.jpg[/bigimg]

[Androidz]

Ok im sure your sick of my stupid suggestion but i think this is good:D

I see you started using brightcolours on the "Outsiders" and the darkgreen continent those seem to fitt in there.
Also the colours telling the bonuses in the legend is much darker than they are on the map (then i mean all) Try to bright up the colours so they is accurate to they ones you use on the map. The worst is Kuomintang it looks like brown.

Did you get what i was saying?

[ZeakCytho]

Minor nitpick: right now the new text says "2 territory continents blah blah blah." Could you change that to "two-territory continents blah blah blah"? Write out the two and hyphenate it with the word territory.

[cairnswk]

Ok im sure your sick of my stupid suggestion but i think this is good:D
I see you started using brightcolours on the "Outsiders" and the darkgreen continent those seem to fitt in there.
Also the colours telling the bonuses in the legend is much darker than they are on the map (then i mean all) Try to bright up the colours so they is accurate to they ones you use on the map. The worst is Kuomintang it looks like brown.
Did you get what i was saying?

I think so.

Minor nitpick: right now the new text says "2 territory continents blah blah blah." Could you change that to "two-territory continents blah blah blah"? Write out the two and hyphenate it with the word territory.

Try refreshing your browsers now. should be fixed in V24 above.

[whitestazn88]

i think i like the fact that you reduced the bonus for the emperors... but i'm not sure yet

[cairnswk]

i think i like the fact that you reduced the bonus for the emperors... but i'm not sure yet

do you think you'd be more certain after you've had a couple of games

[whitestazn88]

well the thing was, they seem to be connected to a lot of things, through that meridian line, so i dont know if 1 is enough, but at the same time, it is only 2 territs, and with 1 being neutral, a lot of people wouldn't necessarily go for it right away... so it could be valued correctly

lol, i suppose a game or two would help me

[cairnswk]

Current Version 24.

[Incandenza]

Thanks for addressing my concerns and walking me thru the border concept, cairns...

Just out of idle curiosity, have you started trying to fit 2-digit numbers into the army circles/boxes?

[whitestazn88]

incandenza raises a good point... that circle on wu gate looks really small

[cairnswk]

Thanks for addressing my concerns and walking me thru the border concept, cairns...

Just out of idle curiosity, have you started trying to fit 2-digit numbers into the army circles/boxes?

Yes this was first done in V17 back some pages, but here is the latest V24 with army numbers not centered.

[bigimg]http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s282/cairnswk/forbidden%20city/forbidden_city_V24ST.jpg[/bigimg]

incandenza raises a good point... that circle on wu gate looks really small

Yes some circles are only 22px while others are 24px. deliberate.

[yeti_c]

Most of your co-ords are off - but assume you'll fix that for the final?

C.

[cairnswk]

Most of your co-ords are off - but assume you'll fix that for the final?

C.

Didn't i just say in the post above yours that the army circles are not centered
Honestly C...why waste your time backing up something that i've already told you. Comment on something else instead.

[yeti_c]

Most of your co-ords are off - but assume you'll fix that for the final?

C.

Didn't i just say in the post above yours that the army circles are not centered
Honestly C...why waste your time backing up something that i've already told you. Comment on something else instead.

The problem is - your co-ords are off - so the image doesn't prove that the cirlces can hold the numbers that you say they can!?

C.

[oaktown]

what if you lost the stroke on those army circles, and made the actual area of the circles 1 pixel bigger in each direction? By putting an outline on the circles my brain really wants the numbers to fit within the outline, which they won't. 88 might because it has rounded corners, but 77 will not.

[whitestazn88]

so, i never wanted to say it before because i didn't wanna seem daft, but i couldn't figure out how the borders worked til very recently... it's actually pretty brilliant now that i think of it though...

[cairnswk]

so, i never wanted to say it before because i didn't wanna seem daft, but i couldn't figure out how the borders worked til very recently... it's actually pretty brilliant now that i think of it though...

You're my latest hero with compliments like that

[jako]

wow cairns, i cannot keep up with ur maps. they keep getting better looking and harder to play.

[whitestazn88]

wow cairns, i cannot keep up with ur maps. they keep getting better looking and harder to play.

its really not that hard to get if you look at it for like 2 minutes... just imagine that all the territs are really big, like if they were made fatter, you could see what they're touching a little better. the borders are done really well to keep this map from bottlenecking really